The problem of evil

[FireDragon76]

This world is horrible sometimes and the thought that no god exists to save us is almost just as unbearable.

Horrible sometimes, not all the time.

I live in a city that has had a horrible tragedy and I believe in God more than ever. I see the ways that God carries people through struggles and brings them together. I believe in a God that has overcome the world and brings evil out of good. I do not believe in an angry God who loves some and hates others.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Horrible sometimes, not all the time.

I live in a city that has had a horrible tragedy and I believe in God more than ever. I see the ways that God carries people through struggles and brings them together. I believe in a God that has overcome the world and brings evil out of good. I do not believe in an angry God who loves some and hates others.

But you believe in a god that allows people to suffer, right?

Do you believe that your god could prevent all suffering?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Horrible sometimes, not all the time.

I live in a city that has had a horrible tragedy and I believe in God more than ever. I see the ways that God carries people through struggles and brings them together. I believe in a God that has overcome the world and brings evil out of good. I do not believe in an angry God who loves some and hates others.

I understand, I just feel like that's what you need in your life. It's something so many of us need and I can't blame anyone. Another reason this seems evident to me is that this specific god says he used to cause the same tragedies humans now claim he saves them from. The USA is groaning sadly over the recent mass shooting, but if you read the old testament Yahweh did the same things to people.

I want to overcome the world too, I really do but sometimes I don't think I can. I hope my friends and loved ones stay with me to the end, whatever end that may be and I hope I can take care of people too during their lives. But each other is really all we have so I think we have to love each other and go together.

 

[FireDragon76]

But you believe in a god that allows people to suffer, right?

Do you believe that your god could prevent all suffering?

I believe in a suffering God.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I believe in a suffering God.

That may or may not have answered my question.

Do you believe that your god could stop any particular person's suffering?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Does an embryo have human personhood? What did Jesus have to say about that? Oh that's right, nothing whatsoever.

Jeremiah 1:5
New International Version
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

 

[FireDragon76]

I understand, I just feel like that's what you need in your life. It's something so many of us need and I can't blame anyone. Another reason this seems evident to me is that this specific god says he used to cause the same tragedies humans now claim he saves them from. The USA is groaning sadly over the recent mass shooting, but if you read the old testament Yahweh did the same things to people.

I don't understand a lot of those stories as history in the modern sense. If you understood how most scholars think of the Old Testament, I believe it would make more sense. I see the Old Testament as a peoples struggle to understand themselves and God. It doesn't mean its a perfect understanding, indeed if it were a perfect understand there would be no need for me to be a Christian, since they are Jewish scriptures.

When I think of God, I think of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ is the glory of God, the face of God. I don't see an angry man in the sky who judges people, I see deathless love and infinite compassion.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Does an embryo have human personhood? What did Jesus have to say about that? Oh that's right, nothing whatsoever.

◄ Psalm 139:13 ►
New International Version
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.

 

[Hikarifuru]

I don't understand a lot of those stories as history in the modern sense. If you understood how most scholars think of the Old Testament, I believe it would make more sense. I see the Old Testament as a peoples struggle to understand themselves and God. It doesn't mean its a perfect understanding, indeed if it were a perfect understand there would be no need for me to be a Christian, since they are Jewish scriptures.

When I think of God, I think of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ is the glory of God, the face of God. I don't see an angry man in the sky who judges people, I see deathless love and infinite compassion.

Jesus wasn't always benevolent either though if you ask me. He intentionally confused people with parables so that nonbelievers only disbelieved more and more. He said their lack of understanding or ability to hear or see would only grow, because it was not given to them to understand him and he gave one parable to seems to say he will put us in a furnace one day and Jesus chose to come to earth and spiritually cause his own death on a horrifying cross because he say said someone had to die, based on rules that he made. Jesus doesn't seem loving to me, his love is only offered to loving slaves and he did not present a love and kindness and understanding that everyone could understand and he knew that.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Does an embryo have human personhood? What did Jesus have to say about that? Oh that's right, nothing whatsoever.

Exodus 21:22–25 (ESV)
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

This pretty much says, abortions are a no no.

 

[FireDragon76]

Again, I don't believe in that God either.

Jesus told parables because some things can only be spoken of in parables. It's too easy to take a philosophical approach to God that misses him altogether, that becomes a groud for self-justification and other evils.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Exodus 21:22–25 (ESV)
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

This pretty much says, abortions are a no no.

That says the miscarriage already happens but repayment is based on HARM THAT FOLLOWS (to the woman). Not the child.

Yahweh also punished women with miscarrying wombs too in the old testament too, he is not pro-life. Hoseah 9:11-16 and others

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/god-is-not-pro-life/

 

[Hikarifuru]

Again, I don't believe in that God either.

Jesus told parables because some things can only be spoken of in parables. It's too easy to take a philosophical approach to God that misses him altogether, that becomes a groud for self-justification and other evils.

Well for me, I am a non-believer because I value goodness and love too much to believe in these things. It is an effort of love that makes me a non-believer.

 

[FireDragon76]

Well for me, I am a non-believer because I value goodness and love too much to believe in these things. It is an effort of love that makes me a non-believer.

Are you implying that being a Christian means you can't believe in goodness and love?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That says the miscarriage already happens but repayment is based on HARM THAT FOLLOWS (to the woman). Not the child.

Yahweh also punished women with miscarrying wombs too in the old testament too, he is not pro-life. Hoseah 9:11-16 and others

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/god-is-not-pro-life/

It's OK for God to kill.

◄ Deuteronomy 32:35 ►

New International Version
It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them."

 

[Chany]

Sure, people can say all kinds of things over the phone. It's not like you know them, and it's not like people actually love phone surveys.

If you properly word the survey, you can get correct data. We see this in contingent valuation studies in areas such as environmental economics and public policy decisions. In fact, if you make the survey too"real", you can people to exhibit certain behaviors like understating their willingness to pay in order to free ride off of others later.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Well for me, I am a non-believer because I value goodness and love too much to believe in these things. It is an effort of love that makes me a non-believer.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Well for me, I am a non-believer because I value goodness and love too much to believe in these things. It is an effort of love that makes me a non-believer.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

 

[bhsmte]

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

You do realize, non believers don't put much credibility in scripture?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You do realize, non believers don't put much credibility in scripture?

2 Timothy 3:16 ESV

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,