The problem of evil

[ToddNotTodd]

I don't care what the article says, I care what the Bible says.

That's what I'm saying. The pastor in Sacramento, and the article I sent both say that it's Biblical to hate God's enemies.

 

[bhsmte]

Your opinion. History tells a completely different story.

No not opinion.

It is the actual results demonstrated in polling data, when people are asked the question.

 

[bangmegafan]

Jesus never said that abortion was murder. He never mentioned it at all. The same trick you're pulling could be used by that Sacramento pastor to justify his comments.

He might not say anything about abortion explicitly. But from my understanding and experience, it is sin whose consequences will only be experienced in this life. Not at all a good thing to do

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[Loudmouth]

He might not say anything about abortion explicitly. But from my understanding and experience, it is sin whose consequences will only be experienced in this life. Not at all a good thing to do

That's the same argument the Sacramento preacher is making.

 

[bangmegafan]

Jesus DID speak about murder. Abortion is murder. No double standard.

If u murder someone, u don't experience the consequences of that sin in this life but u will pay ur price through punishment of tormenting in hell

In case of abortion, as u r killing a soul from being entered in to earth, the punishment will be experienced in your current life

You need pray a lot because God will be very angry with you. If you fast and pray, then God may take away your sin. But u should not commit same sin again

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[bangmegafan]

If u murder someone, u don't experience the consequences of that sin in this life but u will pay ur price through punishment of tormenting in hell

In case of abortion, as u r killing a soul from being entered in to earth, the punishment will be experienced in your current life

You need pray a lot because God will be very angry with you. If you fast and pray, then God may take away your sin. But u should not commit same sin again

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Pls pls pls don't commit this sin. God has plan for every soul that he is allowing to enter in this earth. Through abortion, u r spoiling god's plan. This is very big sin.

Jesus DID speak about murder. Abortion is murder. No double standard.

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[Loudmouth]

If u murder someone, u don't experience the consequences of that sin in this life but u will pay ur price through punishment of tormenting in hell

So what do we put people in jail for?

Do we also throw the children and grandchildren of murders in jail? Would it be moral to throw the children of a thief in jail?

You need pray a lot because God will be very angry with you. If you fast and pray, then God may take away your sin. But u should not commit same sin again

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What about Zeus?

 

[amariselle]

No not opinion.

It is the actual results demonstrated in polling data, when people are asked the question.

Polling data, how reliable.

 

[bhsmte]

Polling data, how reliable.

Something huh?

If you want to know what people believe, you ask them.

 

[amariselle]

Something huh?

If you want to know what people believe, you ask them.

If you want to know what people believe, you get to know them. You sit down with them and spend some time listening. You don't just call them over the phone and then hang up when you have your "data."

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Thank you for using the quote facility

... your guys have asked too many questions.

There is no 'my guys'; I'm a solo contributor.

If you don't have any more questions, I can assume you are convinced with my responses

You can assume whatever you like. Good luck with that assumption in future!

Pls come back to our father and believe in god

Thanks for asking, but I'm fully occupied with the real world.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

If you want to know what people believe, you get to know them. You sit down with them and spend some time listening. You don't just call them over the phone and then hang up when you have your "data."

Because people inherently lie when taking surveys?

 

[amariselle]

Because people inherently lie when taking surveys?

Sure, people can say all kinds of things over the phone. It's not like you know them, and it's not like people actually love phone surveys.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Why should I accept your defense of science? You do not accept Christian apologetics.

BTW, 'Tu quoque' isn't an argument, it's a fallacy.

Just sayin'.

 

[amariselle]

BTW, 'Tu quoque' isn't an argument, it's a fallacy.

Just sayin'.

Say whatever you like about it. Such points certainly do nothing whatsoever to make someone's argument in the least bit credible. If someone accuses one person of doing something and then turns around and does the exact same thing, I would tend to take their words very lightly.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Sure, people can say all kinds of things over the phone. It's not like you know them, and it's not like people actually love phone surveys.

So I take it that you have evidence that people inherently lie when taking surveys?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Say whatever you like about it.

It's a fallacy as a matter of fact, not because I like it.

If someone accuses one person of doing something and then turns around and does the exact same thing, I would tend to take their words very lightly.

That's understandable but still fallacious; the argument is what matters - if you think it's incorrect, you should be able refute it.

 

[Hikarifuru]

It seems to me the problem of evil is a real problem, and it is my main barrier to faith. I just have trouble believing in a benevolent creator that cares about people- I see no evidence for it in this world. There is gross unfairness and suffering in the world and I don't believe Christians can account for it.

I grant that I could be wrong, that somehow there is a God in charge of it all and its just like the Christian God and is beyond my understanding. But it would be pretty cruel for such a being to hold honest doubts against me, given the quality of evidence he's left.

And honestly, if it is the case that God exists and he has such a mysterious plan, what does that say about Christian epistemology? How could we take any religious authority seriously if God's will is so inscrutable? It seems to me much more skepticism of religious claims are warranted, regardless of whether or not the Christian God exists.

It doesn't make any sense, any human being would be put on trial for neglect and abuse if they stood by and allowed their children to suffer the way this god lets humans suffer and this god has the audacity to claim that we are evil, unloving tainted ones.

Most humans would never neglect another human the way this god neglects and ignores us, much less do they punish and destroy other humans after neglecting them so. When these sort of tyrants do exist the whole world groans in agony until they are overcome. That GOD acts this way just doesn't make sense.

The only real problem is that gods just not real and we're alone in this life.

 

[FireDragon76]

All I can say is if that's what I believe about God, I wouldn't believe in him either. But I don't believe we are alone.

 

[Hikarifuru]

All I can say is if that's what I believe about God, I wouldn't believe in him either. But I don't believe we are alone.

Yeah. I myself am a parent, it would trouble me to no end to know my children suffer alone without me and I couldn't possibly then punish them for not believing in me. I just see no other conclusion to have than that the idea that god has good reason to leave us so alone here is that people need a reason to believe in him. This world is horrible sometimes and the thought that no god exists to save us is almost just as unbearable.