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So it's your contention that those on the North American continent heard the Gospel prior to 70 Ad.?
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What do the scriptures say?
OK when did they begin to preach repentance and remission in Jerusalem? In Acts 2.
- Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Was that confirmed in the epistles?
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
- Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
So the answer to you question is YES.
- Romans 1:4-6 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
- 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
- 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
So it's your contention that those on the North American continent heard the Gospel prior to 70 Ad.?
That is not the question. The question is, were the scriptures I quoted false? or were they answered in the same understanding that Jesus had given?
I didn't ask you for Scripture, I asked if it was your contention that those on the North American continent had heard the Gospel by 70 AD.. However, the issue isn't whether the Scriptures are correct, but rather one's understanding of the Scriptures.
Or, you're misunderstanding something. How was the Gospel preached to all ethnos if it hadn't reached the North American continent?You miss the point,
Peter and Paul must have spoken of the entire world in the same manner Jesus was.
Otherwise they were lying and the bible is not reliable.
Whether North or South America, Japan or New Zealand were reached is not relevant.
It is perfectly clear. All nations under heaven, is that not understandable by you?
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
And how do you know that there were people living in those regions at the time of Christ?It's understandable to me, however, I don't think you've grasped it. Are familiar with the term, a general statement? Do you really believe that there were North American Indians living in Jerusalem. Note that they were dwelling there. I think it's pretty obvious that this is a general statement. How do you suppose Luke would know of other continents to even know if there were people there and that those people were living in Jerusalem. How do you suppose people got from North America to Jerusalem?
Could you see all the kingdoms of the world from the top of even Everest?
All the world would be taxed?
- Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
No, obviously only the Roman world.
- Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed..
"The world is gone after him?" All the world? Not even all the Jews.
- John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
It is obvious that "the world" and "every nation" and similar phrases can have a more limited meaning than we would use it. Do we not use a phrase such as "Everyone is watching the football match today." when we don't mean everyone in the world, or even in a city or even in a household. Where we use "everyone" in such a way, the French use "tout le monde" so their saying would be "All the world" has gone to the football match today."
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
No one knows the time...This study is available in Spanish here.
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Recommended before reading this study,
The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the harlot of Babylon
The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth
In the book of Daniel, a "day" symbolizes a literal year, hence why the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel, which is 490 days, symbolized 490 literal years from the time the decree was issued to rebuild Jerusalem, to the time of the first coming of Jesus Christ,
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Daniel 9:24-25 [WBT])
Where this time began around 458 BC by the decree issued by King Artaxerxes, where the first seven weeks, or 49 years, were the time of reconstruction,
No one knows the time...
When people mention the end of Days, people start freaking out either saying 1) we're crazy, 2) this has been going on for a long time, or 3) let's don the white sheets.. But it must be closer than we would think. We are seeing a de-evolution of socitety and signs that never were accepted by society in general in former days (e.g. homosexuality, corruption of church doctrine, relativism, etc.) that now are common place (written about in 2 Tim 3).
There is a certain interesting pattern that prior to Israel was about 2,000 years, the nation of Israel lasted about 2,000 years, and the church age is about 2,000 years old. I don't wish to put too find a point on this, or feel like there is a calculating formula, but there does seem to be a timeline of around 2,000 years when everything seems to resets itself.
I think it was John Wesley that, when ask what he would be doing if he knew Jesus was coming back the next day, responded by saying he would go to bed, wake up and continue his work.We're always going to be one day closer than we were yesterday. That's just the nature of time.
How close, however, is unknowable. If we could know that then Jesus would have told us, but He didn't. Instead He talks about a thief coming in the night, He says that when the master returns it's when the servant doesn't expect it, He compares it to the days of Noah when people were living their lives as normal when--without warning--the flood came.
As far as our modern troubles. Students of history know that every generation experiences its own travails and troubles. Imagine you were alive when the Black Death ravaged Europe; or imagine you were alive when the Huns invaded, or the later Mongol hordes. Imagine you were living in Constantinople when the Ottomans sieged the city with gunpowder weapons. As far as corruption is concerned, when Martin Luther visited Rome what he witnessed was open corruption, he saw brothels operating in the city that catered exclusively to monks. There were popes in the middle ages that had elaborate orgiastic parties. There were rampant heresies and doomsday cults; and church officials when trying to deal with heresy often resorted to terrible acts themselves, such as the Cathars and the massacre of the Cathars. During the Protestant Reformation some radical groups violently overthrew local leaders and tried to establish an earthly kingdom of God in order to be harbingers of the coming end of the world.
We need to have perspective about these things. Is secular acceptance of non-heterosexual sexuality worse than, say, 80 years ago when Jews were being burned in ovens and sent to gas chambers by the Nazis across Europe? Is current corruption in churches (which certainly does exist) worse than corruption in the past?
Perspective is not just important, it's essential in order to be sober-minded and clear-headed about these things.
-CryptoLUtheran
I think it was John Wesley that, when ask what he would be doing if he knew Jesus was coming back the next day, responded by saying he would go to bed, wake up and continue his work.
Hmmmm....I guess I could say if Jesus was coming back tomorrow I wouldn't have to finish powerwashing the driveway. Doesn't seem to rank up there with Wesley or Luther.There's a similar apocryphal story about Martin Luther, when asked what he would do if he knew the Lord would return the next day responded by saying, "I'd plant a tree".
-CryptoLutheran
Well, I hope so! We need Jesus to come back the way the world is going.
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