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    This study is available in Spanish here.

    To view a list of all studies in this blog, click here.

    Recommended before reading this study,

    The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the Whore of Babylon

    The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth

    In the book of Daniel, a "day" symbolizes a literal year, hence why the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel, which is 490 days, symbolized 490 literal years from the time the decree was issued to rebuild Jerusalem, to the time of the first coming of Jesus Christ,

    Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (Daniel 9:24-25 [WBT])

    Where this time began around 458 BC by the decree issued by King Artaxerxes, where the first seven weeks, or 49 years, were the time of reconstruction,

    In the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was brought for him, I took the wine and gave it to the king. I had not been sad in his presence before... The king said to me, "What is it you want?" Then I prayed to the God of heaven, and I answered the king, "If it pleases the king and if your servant has found favor in his sight, let him send me to the city in Judah where my ancestors are buried so that I can rebuild it." Then the king, with the queen sitting beside him, asked me, "How long will your journey take, and when will you get back?" It pleased the king to send me; so I set a time. I also said to him, "If it pleases the king, may I have letters to the governors of Trans-Euphrates, so that they will provide me safe-conduct until I arrive in Judah? And may I have a letter to Asaph, keeper of the royal park, so he will give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel by the temple and for the city wall and for the residence I will occupy?" And because the gracious hand of my God was on me, the king granted my requests. So I went to the governors of Trans-Euphrates and gave them the king's letters. The king had also sent army officers and cavalry with me. (Nehemiah 2:1-9 [NIV])

    This is a copy of the letter King Artaxerxes had given to Ezra the priest, a teacher of the Law, a man learned in matters concerning the commands and decrees of the LORD for Israel: Artaxerxes, king of kings, To Ezra the priest, teacher of the Law of the God of heaven: Greetings. Now I decree that any of the Israelites in my kingdom, including priests and Levites, who volunteer to go to Jerusalem with you, may go. You are sent by the king and his seven advisers to inquire about Judah and Jerusalem with regard to the Law of your God, which is in your hand. Moreover, you are to take with you the silver and gold that the king and his advisers have freely given to the God of Israel, whose dwelling is in Jerusalem, together with all the silver and gold you may obtain from the province of Babylon, as well as the freewill offerings of the people and priests for the temple of their God in Jerusalem. With this money be sure to buy bulls, rams and male lambs, together with their grain offerings and drink offerings, and sacrifice them on the altar of the temple of your God in Jerusalem. You and your fellow Israelites may then do whatever seems best with the rest of the silver and gold, in accordance with the will of your God. Deliver to the God of Jerusalem all the articles entrusted to you for worship in the temple of your God. And anything else needed for the temple of your God that you are responsible to supply, you may provide from the royal treasury. Now I, King Artaxerxes, decree that all the treasurers of Trans-Euphrates are to provide with diligence whatever Ezra the priest, the teacher of the Law of the God of heaven, may ask of you-- up to a hundred talents of silver, a hundred cors of wheat, a hundred baths of wine, a hundred baths of olive oil, and salt without limit. Whatever the God of heaven has prescribed, let it be done with diligence for the temple of the God of heaven. Why should his wrath fall on the realm of the king and of his sons? You are also to know that you have no authority to impose taxes, tribute or duty on any of the priests, Levites, musicians, gatekeepers, temple servants or other workers at this house of God. And you, Ezra, in accordance with the wisdom of your God, which you possess, appoint magistrates and judges to administer justice to all the people of Trans-Euphrates--all who know the laws of your God. And you are to teach any who do not know them. Whoever does not obey the law of your God and the law of the king must surely be punished by death, banishment, confiscation of property, or imprisonment. (Ezra 7:11-26 [NIV])

    Though we are slaves, our God has not forsaken us in our bondage. He has shown us kindness in the sight of the kings of Persia: He has granted us new life to rebuild the house of our God and repair its ruins, and he has given us a wall of protection in Judah and Jerusalem. (Ezra 9:9 [NIV])

    And then the next 62 weeks, or 434 years after the 49 years, we come to around 483 years after the issuance of the decree, to where Jesus Christ became "anointed" around the autumn of 26 AD, where this anointing means he received the holy spirit,

    ...to anoint the most Holy... (Daniel 9:24-25 [WBT])

    Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. (John 1:32 [NIV])

    Where after he became anointed with the holy spirit, and after being tempted by Satan during his 40 day fast,

    Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. (Luke 4:1-2 [NIV])

    And after choosing disciples, which was around the time he went to Galilee after being baptized at the Jordan river,

    When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time. Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. (Luke 4:13-14 [NIV])

    The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!" When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, "What do you want?" They said, "Rabbi" (which means "Teacher"), "where are you staying?" "Come," he replied, "and you will see." So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon. Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ). And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter). The next day Jesus decided to leave for Galilee. Finding Philip, he said to him, "Follow me." (John 1:35-43 [NIV])

    He then read this passage in Isaiah publicly,

    “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.” 20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” (Luke 4:18-21 [NIV])

    The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bandage* the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn; (Isaiah 61:1-2 [MODIFIED-ESV])*

    Interlinear Links: *la·ḥă·ḇōš (bandage), Isaiah 61:1

    Which happened around the spring of 27 AD, which was around the start of a new year, for the beginning of months in the Jewish calendar is around the time of the Passover and Festival of Unleavened Bread, in the month of Aviv,

    The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
    (Exodus 12:1-2 [NIV])

    In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. (Exodus 12:18 [NIV])

    Then Moses said to the people, "Commemorate this day, the day you came out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery, because the LORD brought you out of it with a mighty hand. Eat nothing containing yeast. Today, in the month of Aviv, you are leaving.
    (Exodus 13:3-4 [NIV])

    Where that year of 27 AD was the "favorable year of the Lord" mentioned in Isaiah, where Jubilee began later in that year around the autumn of 27 AD, which happens every 50 years in accordance to the Law of God, where "liberty" is "proclaimed",

    Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. (Leviticus 25:10-11 [NIV])

    Which was preceded by a Sabbath year at a 49th year, which began in the autumn of 26 AD, which was around the time Jesus Christ was baptized, and continued to around the autumn 27 AD, when the Jubilee began,

    “‘Count off seven sabbath years–seven times seven years–so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years... (Leviticus 25:8-10 [NIV])

    At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. (Deuteronomy 15:1 [NIV])

    Then Moses commanded them: "At the end of every seven years, in the year for canceling debts, during the Festival of Tabernacles, when all Israel comes to appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose, you shall read this law before them in their hearing. (Deuteronomy 31:10-11 [NIV])

    Where in the span of this year after he became anointed with the holy spirit, Jesus began to proclaim the "good news", heal those oppressed by disease, free those held captive by demons, and give sight to the blind, in accordance to the year of Jubilee spoken of by Isaiah,

    Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people. (Matthew 4:23 [NIV])

    As soon as they left the synagogue, they went with James and John to the home of Simon and Andrew. Simon's mother-in-law was in bed with a fever, and they immediately told Jesus about her. So he went to her, took her hand and helped her up. The fever left her and she began to wait on them. That evening after sunset the people brought to Jesus all the sick and demon-possessed. (Mark 1:29-32 [NIV])

    And began to forgive sins in accordance to the cancellation of debts of the Sabbath year that preceded the Jubilee year,

    When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, "Son, your sins are forgiven." (Mark 2:5 [NIV])

    When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven." (Luke 5:20 [NIV])

    And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Matthew 6:12 [NIV])

    and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.” (Luke 11:4 [ESV])

    Where after the 68th week of Daniel Jesus Christ was crucified around the spring of 30 AD,

    "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing... (Daniel 9:26 [NASB])

    Which was in the the middle of the 69th week of Daniel three and a half years later after receiving the holy spirit, where he himself became a sacrifice,

    Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7 [NIV])

    God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood--to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-- (Romans 3:25 [NIV])

    And thus confirmed his covenant with many, in the middle of that final week, subsequently ending sacrifices and offerings,

    "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering... (Daniel 9:27 [NASB])

    This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (Matthew 26:28 [NIV])

    And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
    (Hebrews 10:10-12 [NIV])

    "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. (Jeremiah 31:31 [NIV])

    Where in the years after his sacrifice, in the final portion of the 69th week of Daniel, commencing in the Feast of Weeks, otherwise known as Pentecost, the good news of the new covenant began to be spread around the world at the hand of apostles,

    He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. (Mark 16:15 [NIV])

    Thus fulfilling the 490 consecutive years of Daniel entirely, where afterwards was the destruction of the city and temple,

    ...and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26 [NASB])

    And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Daniel 9:27 [ESV])

    Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." (Matthew 24:1-2 [NIV])

    "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. (Luke 21:20-22 [NIV])

    Which was destroyed by the Romans, who also established an "abomination of desolation", which means a desecration of the temple, which has happened several times in the past,

    "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. (Matthew 24:15-18 [NIV])

    Then the king of the north shall come and throw up siegeworks and take a well-fortified city. And the forces of the south shall not stand, or even his best troops, for there shall be no strength to stand… And he shall return to his land with great wealth, but his heart shall be set against the holy covenant. And he shall work his will and return to his own land. “At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south, but it shall not be this time as it was before. For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay attention to those who forsake the holy covenant. Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.
    (Daniel 11:15-31 [ESV])

    He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:4 [NLT])

    “And the king shall do as he wills. He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods. He shall prosper till the indignation is accomplished; for what is decreed shall be done. (Daniel 11:36 [ESV])

    Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 [NIV])

    Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 [NASB])

    Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10 It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.11 It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown. 12 And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression, and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper. (Daniel 8:9-12 [ESV])

    The male goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The horn that was broken and in whose place there arose four others stands for four kingdoms that will arise from his nation, though they will not have his strength. 23 Toward the end of their rule, when rebellious acts are complete, a rash and deceitful king will arise. 24 His power will be great, but it will not be by his strength alone. He will cause terrible destruction. He will be successful in what he undertakes. He will destroy powerful people and the people of the holy ones. 25 By his treachery he will succeed through deceit. He will have an arrogant attitude, and he will destroy many who are unaware of his schemes. He will rise up against the Prince of princes, yet he will be broken apart—but not by human agency.(Daniel 8:21-25 [NETBIBLE])

    Where the Roman emperor fulfilled the prophecies related to the "antichrist", "the king of the north", "little horn", and the "man of lawlessness", and fulfilled a distinct time that the Romans would persecute the people of God referred to as "time, times, and half a time" when their line of emperors became a line of popes,

    The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
    (Daniel 7:25 [NIV])

    With flattery he will corrupt those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will be strong and take action. Those who are wise among the people will give understanding to many, yet they will die by sword and flame, and be captured and plundered for a time. When defeated, they will be helped by some, but many others will join them insincerely. Some of the wise will fall so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.” (Daniel 11:32-35 [HCSB])

    And since Nebuchadnezzar lost his sanity for "seven times", which was seven years, therefore a "time" is derived to be one year,

    Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. (Daniel 4:16 [NIV])

    "One time" plus "two times" plus a "half time" means 3 1/2 years, which corresponds to 42 months that the first beast of Revelation is said to have authority to wage war against the holy people,

    And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Revelation 13:5 [ESV])

    It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
    (Revelation 13:7 [ESV])

    And just as each day means one literal year in the book of Daniel, the 3 1/2 years and 42 months is derived to be 1,260 literal years, where this time began around 538 AD when the pope was officially granted power by the Justinian Code, to around 1798 AD when the pope was taken into captivity by the French, where throughout this appointed time, inquisitions and massacres were perpetrated by the rule of the papacy that martyred the people of God. The book of Daniel also prophesied a distinct time of 1,290 days,

    "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 [NIV])

    Which corresponds to a time when daily sacrifices were abolished, which was around 599 BC, where 1,290 years later around 692 AD was the completion of construction of the Dome of the Rock, which was another "abomination of desolation", since it was built on the temple site, and then another 1,335 days are added to that time,

    Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (Daniel 12:12 [NIV])

    Which comes to around 2027 AD, which is the possible year of the second coming of Jesus Christ, for the autumn of 2027 AD will be the start of a year of Jubilee that continues to the autumn of 2028 AD, counting cycles of fifty years from 27 AD, where at the Day of Atonement of that year of Jubilee, which is Yom Kippur, a final trumpet will be blasted after the Festival of Trumpets,

    "'Count off seven sabbath years--seven times seven years--so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. (Leviticus 25:8-10 [NIV])

    Which is the last trumpet spoken of by Paul, where the dead will be raised,

    [51] Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all indeed sleep, but all shall be changed, [52] in an instant, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For it shall trump, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For it is necessary this corruption to put on incorruptibility, and this mortal to put on immortality. [54] But whenever this corruptible should have put on incorruptibility, and this mortal should have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the word having been written, Death was swallowed down in victory.
    (I Corinthians 15:51-54 [ABP])

    For Jesus Christ comes with the sound of trumpets,

    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16 [NIV])

    Where Jesus Christ will begin to rule on the earth for a 1,000 years till around 3027 AD,

    …of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6 [NIV])

    And the seventh angel trumped. And there were great voice in the heaven, saying, The kingdom of the world is become of our Lord, and of his Christ, and he shall reign into the aeons* of the aeons*. (Revelation of John 11:15 [MODIFIED-ABP])*

    Interlinear Links: *αἰῶνας (aeons), αἰώνων (aeons), Revelation 11:15

    Which corresponds to the last thousand years of this heaven and earth, for it will be a Sabbath rest for the entire earth,

    For forty years I loathed that generation and said, “They are a people who go astray in their heart, and they have not known my ways.” Therefore I swore in my wrath, “They shall not enter my rest.” (Psalm 95:10-11 [ESV])

    For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; (Hebrews 4:8-9 [NIV])

    Which relates to why God created heaven and earth in six days and rested on the seventh,

    For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” (Hebrews 4:4 [NIV])

    By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. (Genesis 2:2 [NIV])

    To foreshadow the length of time God has appointed for it to exist, a total of 7,000 years,

    But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8 [KJV])

    Where the last thousand years will be a long Sabbath rest, in which case, according to the Jewish calendar, even though it is difficult to know what exact we are in since the beginning creation, we do know we are soon approaching the 6,000th year. In which case, after this heaven and earth ceases to exist after the last thousand years have expired,

    Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Matthew 24:35 [NIV])

    Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Mark 13:31 [NIV])

    Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Luke 21:33 [NIV])

    Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. (Revelation 20:11 [NIV[)

    Then a new heaven and new earth will be created by God,

    Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. (Revelation 21:1 [NIV])

    "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. (Isaiah 65:17 [NIV])

    "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. (Isaiah 66:22 [NIV])

    With newly appointed times, called the "aeons of the aeons",

    And there will be no night there; and they have no need of a lamp, and the light of the sun, for the Lord God enlightens them; and they shall reign into the aeons* of the aeons*. (Revelation 22:5 [MODIFIED-ABP])*

    Interlinear Links: *αἰῶνας (aeons), αἰώνων (aeons), Revelation 22:5
     
  2. Dave G.

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    He's gonna come when He comes, I might not finish typing this or it could be another 1000 years. Everyone was hell bent on Sept 2017, guess what ? We're still here. This guessing game has been going on since back in the days of Paul.
     
  3. nonaeroterraqueous

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    This was one of the more interesting posts on the subject that I've read. I don't agree with the final conclusion, but it had a lot of insightful points along the way.
     
  4. 66/40

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    100% of people trying to calculate and predict the 2nd coming have been wrong 100% of the time.

    It’s a complete waste of time to try to pull something out of the Bible like the date of the 2nd coming, when that date has NEVER been revealed to anybody, “not even the Angeles in heaven” know. -Mark 13:32

    The Bible was clearly written to point the way to salvation. It wasn’t written to provide secret and cryptic dates, nor any type of made up “bible code.” That’s such a farce.
     
  5. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I do believe that God will use a known starting point - either a feast of Israel or something in the life of Christ, i.e., His birthday, the start of His ministry, the start of His Church on the Day of Pentecost, or even the destruction of the temple, then count 2000 years (2 days) for the beginning of the 1000 year Millennium (1 day). Knowing this trait about God is why so many seem to try to predict, but it is only because we all want Him to come so badly.

    God has always been exactly on time. The second coming will not be random.

    Hosea 6:1-3

    "Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

    2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

    3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
     
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  6. David Kent

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    Wrong,
    It was God who gave the decree and Cyrus who published it.

    Isaiah 44:23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
    24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
    25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
    26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
    27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
    28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
    1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
    2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
    3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
    4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
    5 ¶ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
    9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
    10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
    11 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
    12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
    13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

     
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    The 70 weeks of Daniel were a literal 490 years. Its one of the most well known prophecies of the bible. So if the bible gives us exact dates for the first coming of Christ, would it be so far fetched to imagine the approximate dates of the second coming would not be buried somewhere in the timelines of Daniel and the festivals of the Torah, right under our very noses?
     
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    Jesus said nobody knew but the father.
     
  9. Dave G.

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    How do you think you can know when Jesus didn't even know and He is the one coming back !! Maybe go out soul winning, the time might be near and a soul out there you know isn't saved. Meanwhile when He comes to pick us up He said He would have the horn tooted..
     
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    We still don't know the day nor the hour. The year, or proximity if it, we can come to know, otherwise Jesus Christ would not have said, "when you see these things happen, then you will know the time is near". We have seen many of the prophecies fulfilled already, so we know the time is near.
     
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    Am I not on here soul winning you people?
     
  12. 66/40

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    Well, the problem with your theory there is Matthew 24:36. The difference between the 1st coming and Daniel to the 2nd coming is that Jesus and the Bible would be contradicting itself if it let out a “secret” code or prophesy indicating a date of the 2nd coming, right?

    So what does Jesus say in Matthew 24:36:?

    “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

    There is no prophetic date, hint or clue of when the second coming is going to occur within the pages of the Bible. Yes there is a guarantee that Christ shall return, indeed! But no hint, clue or date when it will occur. Otherwise Jesus would have contradicted himself in Matthew.
     
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    No one here has declared the day nor the hour of the second coming of Jesus Christ. The approximate year, perhaps, hence "possible" year. Can't you read?
     
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    A “possible” year would then indicate that one is suggesting some type of “cryptic” or “hidden” message within the biblical text itself, specifically referring to the 2nd coming and when it “may” take place. It again, alludes to placing a specific date or range of dates to the 2nd coming and this is NOT supported biblically. There is zero evidence to support the wild claim.

    On the contrary however, this “second” theory (or “modified 1st theory) now of yours would also place Jesus and the Bible in a contradiction as well...

    For Jesus NEVER taught in “secret.” Why would He be specific in Matthew by telling us that we will not know the date of His return, yet “secretly” or “cryptically” give a hint of the date of His return elsewhere in the Bible? Not even the Angels know the date. It’s absurd to believe that there is a cryptic message of a date in between the text of scripture. Again, under your theory, it would make Jesus contradict Himself within the pages of the Bible.

    Yes I can read very well to answer your question, thank you. However evidentially you can’t. Apparently you haven’t read or plainly comprehended John 18:19-21...

    (Jesus never spoke in secret)...

    John 18:19-21 (NIV)
    “Meanwhile, the high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching. 20-“I have spoken openly to the world,” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. 21-Why question me? Ask those who heard me. Surely they know what I said.”
     
  15. flgftlc

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    Listen, if you want to reject knowledge, and not study prophetic timelines, then by all means, go stick your head in the sand somewhere, but don't prevent and stifle others from doing so. Obviously prophecy is given to us that we may study it, not that we may blindfold our eyes and throw in the towel.
     
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    I thought we were “studying” it and discussing it together like adults. ....I’m just not getting angry about it while I present biblical evidence to support my end of the debate, nor trying to personally hurl insults at the guy I’m discussing it with.

    Cheers!
     
  17. flgftlc

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    How are you "studying" if your whole argument on your previous post is on why we should throw my study out? Hence why I replied the way I did. Come back when you manage to stick your head out of the sand, and then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation.
     
  18. Strong in Him

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    God is outside time and knows all things. The second coming was planned from the beginning - certainly long before we produced our man made calendars.
     
  19. Strong in Him

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    No, you're on here telling us that you've worked out a possible year for our Lord's return.
    Next year's a possible year, or the year after, or 5 years after that. Then again, some of might be dead by next week, and we'll see him a lot sooner.
     
  20. gordonhooker

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    Yes because our Lord has already told us that will not know the day or the hour, anything else is pure speculation. I prefer to try and live as Christ taught us to live now not tomorrow or the day after but now!
     
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