The Patterns And Parallels Of Daniel.

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Greetings.
Preamble.
The FIRST chezev/vision of Daniel, occurred in Dan 2: 19.”Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of Heaven.”
King Nebuchadnezzar, received the explanation of his vision of the statue, from Daniel.
Daniel, received his own first prophetic vision, and he like the king, did not understand it. see Dan 7:
Daniel 7 starts at the feet of iron and clay as four great beasts rise up in verse 3 TOGETHER. and ends at verse 27 with the everlasting Kingdom of God.
Daniel 7 is an overview of the time of the end which is within the 2300 ereb/evening boqer/morning period of 6 and a bit years termed as ‘7 years.’
Where do we place the rough goat of Daniel 8?
Certainly not at the time of the brass thighs/Greek empire.
Alexander fought with the Medo/Persians on the Arbella plains, which is over 1000 miles away from the river Ulai, stipulated clearly in the vision.
Also the name used for the goat can mean ‘Weserner’s or ‘nations of Westerners.’
Also the time of the vision is stipulated to be at ‘the time of the end.’

3120 Yavan { yaw-vawn’}
probably from the same as 3196; TWOT - 855;
AV - Javan 7, Grecia 3, Greece 1; 11
GK - 3430 { ÷w:y:
Javan = “Ionia” or “Greece”
n pr m
1) a son of Japheth and grandson of Noah
n pr loc
2) Greece, Ionia, Ionians
2a) location of descendants of Javan


‘THE EVERY DAY Bible Dictionary.’
Grecian. “Gre’cian, The term Grecian, Hellenist, denotes a Jew by birth or religion who spoke Greek.
It is used chiefly of foreign Jews and proselytes in contrast with the Hebrews
speaking the vernacular Hebrew or Aramaean. Greeks was the term used for non-Jewish people.”

‘THE EVERY DAY Bible Dictionary.’(formerly published as Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary) Copyright 1947 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston, IncCcopyright 1925, 1913 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston1967., Inc.
Copyright 1971by Zondervan Publishing House. Assigned to Zondervan Publishing House, Grand rapids Michigan,

GREECE, GREEKS, GRE´CIANS.
The histories of Greece and Palestine are little connected with each other. In Gen. 10:2-5 Moses mentions the descendants of JAVAN as PEOPLING THE ISLES OF THE GENTILES; and when the Hebrews came into contact with the Ionians of Asia Minor, and recognized them as the long-lost islanders OF THE WESTERN MIGRATION, it was natural that they should mark the similarity of sound between JAVAN and Iones. Accordingly the Old Testament word which is GRECIA in Authorized Version GREECE, GREECS, etc., IS IN HEBREW JAVAN Dan. 8:21;

“Greeks was a term used for non-Jewish peoples., meaning Gentile nations,” “A Westerner would fit the above description.”
Bible translators have incorrectly translated the word ‘yavan’ from Aramaic, to represent, ‘Greeks’ yet it refers to the words Gentile nations.”
The word ‘Grecia,’ translated from ‘yavan’ from Aramaic can mean Westerner.
Credit to “THE EVERYDAY BIBLE DICTIONARY.”

 

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Now for the ‘parallels and patterns of Daniel.’

It is the LITTLE HORN, that is the BLEEP on the heart monitor for Daniel, because he is to go to WAR with Daniel’s people, which links the whole chezev/visions together within the feet of iron and clay at the time of the lion, bear, leopard and fourth beast power most terrible and NOT with past empires.

Capitals, used for emphasis only.

THE PATTERNS and PARALLELS of Dan 7: 8: 9: and a bit of 10.

In the first year of king Belshazzar.
Daniel 7: 2. Has his first future chezev.
Daniel 7: 11.
LITTLE HORN mentioned. “stamped the residue”
Daniel 7: 14. GOD’S EVERLASTING KINGDOM.

1st Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 7: 16. Seeks and is told the interpretation.
Daniel 7: 17. During the lion, bear, leopard, and 4th beast.
Daniel 7: 18. SAINTS WILL POSES THE KINGDOM.

2nd Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 7: 20. LITTLE HORN mentioned again.
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Daniel 7: 22. Until Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM TO SAINTS.

3rd Repeat & expansion. Wars and wears out the saints.
Daniel 7: 24. LITTLE HORN subdues three kings.
Daniel 7: 25. LITTLE HORN speaks against Most High. Wears out
the SAINTS for 3 ½ years, thinks to change laws &
times.

Daniel 7: 26. Judgment sits and takes the LITTLE HORN’S
dominion away.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
Daniel 7: 28 Daniel, keeps the chezev to himself.

In the 3rd year of king Belshazzar.
Daniel 8: 1. Has his second chezev. Like in kind to the first.
Daniel 8: 2. Standing Shushan palace by the river Ulai/Karun.
Daniel 8: 3. Sees ram it has two horns one of the horns larger.
Daniel 8: 4, Ram pushes North, South, West. Becomes great.
Daniel 8: 5. Goat from West with notable horn.
Daniel 8: 6. Attacks the ram at the river Ulai/Karun.
Daniel 8: 7. The goat was angry beats the ram’
Daniel 8: 8. Goat becomes ‘VERY GREAT’ but his horn breaks.

4th Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 8: 9. Out of one of them comes up the LITTLE HORN.
Becomes EXCEEDINGLY GREAT, Heads South East
to Jerusalem, Israel.
Daniel 8: 10. Waxed great to the Host of Heaven. Cast down stars
& host from Heaven & stamped on them.
See Rev 12: to identify the ‘Little horn’ as Satan.
Daniel 8: 11. Place of the sanctuary taken away the Sanctuary was
cast down. He magnified himself to the Prince.
Daniel 8: 12. A host against the place of the daily by transgression,
truth thrown down & he prospered.
Daniel 8: 14 How long the vision about the daily, transgression,
desolation, & the host trodden underfoot?
2300 ereb boqer then the Sanctuary will be cleansed.

5th Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 8: 15. Daniel seeks the meaning of the LAST chezev/vision.
From verse 1 to 14.
Daniel 8: 16. He asks about the chezev. From the same river Ulai
a voice asks Gabriel! Make him UNDERSTAND the
chezev.
Daniel 8: 17. Understand, o son of man for AT THE TIME OF THE
END shall be THE CHEZEV.

Daniel 8: 19. Gabriel will MAKE Daniel, KNOW what shall be the
last end of the indignation, the LAST END, FOR THE
TIME appointed THE END.

Daniel 8: 20. Ram with two horns is Iraq & Iran now at the time of
the end.

Daniel 8: 21. Rough goat is the king of Grecia/Yavan which
can mean Westerner nations. USA/GB.
Daniel 8: 22. The interlinear translation Bible. “four stood up IN ITS
PLACE four kingdoms, out of the nation shall stand
up but not with its power.”
Lion, bear, leopard, beast power, makes four.

Can mean out of the nation of Gentiles, shall stand up or shall stand up out of this Gentile people. Lion left to stand like a man, after it loses its eagle’s wings the USA/UK alliance is broken The lion, bear, leopard, will stand but not be close or mingle then the fourth beast most terrible at the feet of iron & clay, will form up, and the three will support the fourth.

1471 gowy { go’-ee} rarely (shortened) goy { go’-ee}

apparently from the same root as 1465; TWOT - 326e

AV - nation 374, heathen 143, Gentiles 30, people 11; 558
Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.

6th Repeat & expansion, wars against the Saints.
Daniel 8: 23. Within the later time or part of their kingdom, the
transgressors reach their full, a fierce king will stand
up.
Daniel 8: 24. He will prosper, be mighty by someone else’s power,.
and DESTROY a MIGHTY PEOPLE.
Daniel 8: 25. Should read. By his prosperity shall destroy.
But he shall be broken WITHOUT HAND. ( rock
thrown.)

Daniel 8: 26. The chezev of the ereb boqer is true. Shut the
chezev up because it is not to be for many days.

Daniel 8: 27. However Daniel, still did not understand the chezev.

Daniel 9: 1. In the first year of Darius. the Mede, king of the
Chaldeans.
Daniel 9: 2-20, Daniel, by reading, realises the 70 years of
Jeremiah, is about up and goes into prayer.
In Daniel 9: 21 Gabriel, shows up to give Daniel, understanding of
the chezev. In verses 22-27.


Daniel 9: 21. Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the CHESEV AT THE BEGINNING, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Daniel recognises Gabriel, as the angel that gave him THE CHEZEV AT THE BEGINNING which was at Daniel 7 at the first chezev.

 

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Daniel 9: 22. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee SKILL and UNDERSTANDING.

7TH Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 9: 23. At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore UNDERSTAND THE MATTER consider the CHEZEV.
LAST COUNTDOWN.
In Daniel 9: 24. They have 70 weeks TO END transgression, sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

In Daniel 9: 25. there is 69 weeks to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince, seven weeks, the street will be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Seven weeks left.
In Daniel 9: 26. After 62 weeks the Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof with a flood, and unto THE END OF THE WAR desolations are determined.
One week left.
In Daniel 9: 27. he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of king Cyrus of Persia.
Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, but the TIME appointed LONG: and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.
Recalling back to Daniel 9: 27, and even further back, it is not difficult to see to what he was referring to.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,”
“but the TIME appointed LONG:”
“and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,”
“and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV/VISION.”

Dan 8: 26. And the VISION of the evening and the morning which was told TRUE: wherefore shut thou up the vision; FOR IT shall be FOR MANY DAYS.

Daniel, wrote it all down, and just like Jeremiah’s chezev writings of the seventy years of captivity, was revealed to Daniel, through him studying it.
So Daniel’s understanding of the chezev came to him suddenly in the same manner, by him studying his written words from the angel.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,” “but the TIME appointed LONG:”

Let’s back track a bit.
Dan 8: 27. And I Daniel fainted, and was sick days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was ASTONISHED at the CHEZEV, BUT NONE UNDERSTOOD IT.

Now “he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,” WAR!
“and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.”

Once he had some idea of the chezev, the realisation of the WAR, for his people must have been a shock. Understanding how long it was to be before it was to occur. at ‘THE TIME OF THE END.’

It was the thought of his people being at WAR with the LITTLE HORN that made him ill for three whole weeks.

From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev.”

Now please remember Daniel 7: 21, 25. Daniel 8: 24, 26, and Daniel 10: 1. That is, so far as w e have studied, where the war is mentioned and ties the chapters within the chezev together as a progression that ‘concerns the time of the end,’ as Gabriel, indicates from Dan 7 right through to Dan 12.
And of course Daniel, had just been given the progression and expansion of the CHEZEV, only this time the number of 70 weeks were right in front of him, broken down by weeks until the last week then down to the last 3 ½ days.
No wonder after he realised the facts about A GREAT CONFLICT, he was sick for three weeks.
Daniel 10: 2, “In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3. I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.”

Maranatha
PC.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Countdown

There are so many errors in that. So many places you have put your own speculation and then said it is the Bible that says that.

I will give you an example.

you say that the four beast of Daniel 7 rise up together and are all there when the Saints possess the kingdom. That is just not what is said.

7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beaststhat were before it;

23: Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,

This is exactly what is said in Daniel 2:

2:40: And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

These are the same kingdoms Both denoted as Iron

7:7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:

You are ignoring what is said they both are the fourth kingdom on Earth The both are strong as iron and the Both break into pieces the Other Kingdoms before them.

In Addition you say the Little Horn prevails over the saints for 31/2 years when it uses the term times.

When the Term Times is used it denotes a year for a day. Whenever we have weeks, months, or Times it is a year for a day.

So the little horn prevails over the saints for 1260 years not 1260 days.

In Addition the Little horn rises out of the Fourth Beast which was Rome.

The problem with most interpretation of prophecy is they have this total cut off where we are told nothing of the 2,000 years from the Time of Jesus to the Time of the End.

THIS IS JUST NONSENSE.

Amos:3:7: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

To believe God gives us no prophecy for the period between Jesus departure and his return is just not reality.

Revelation is this prophecy and the prophecy on the mount. While Daniel deals primarily with events coming up to Jesus first advent and gives us some little pieces after that. Revelation deals with this time in great detail.

Revelation is a detailed explanation of the fourth Beast that rules the Earth. revelation is a detailed picture of how the Little horn persecutes the Truth for 1260 years.

In Daniel 12 we are given a series of time frames.

[7] The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives for ever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished...........................[11] And from the time that the continual burnt offering is taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [12] Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

The time frames are

1. 1260 years of the opression of the Truth.
2. The Time of the Power of the Holy People
3. 1260 days
4. 45 days

Do you understand what the Time of the "Power of the Holy People" is.

 

[holdon]

The time frames are

1. 1260 years of the opression of the Truth.

Where do you read of "1260 years of the oppression of the Truth"????

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

Dan:8:12: And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Daniel 7:25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

rv 13:5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:

The Saints are Christians not Jews . The little Horn, healed beast, two Horned lamb tramples the truth for 1260 years. They practise their false religion and prosper

Then the Power of the Holy People is fulfilled. It is the Time we are in Now. When the Truth comes into light knowledge increases and people travel to and fro............. It is a undertmined amount of time.

At the end of this time the 144,000 will be sealed and then the Plagues will start to fall.

The daily sacrifice is TOTALY misunderstood by Most. Since the Saints are Christian and we know Christians do not sacrifice animal you have to study what is a Acceptable sacrifice.

 

[holdon]

The little Horn, healed beast, two Horned lamb tramples the truth for 1260 years.

How do you get 1260 years?

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

42 months or Time times and Half a Time. 1260 days .....each day = one year.

How do you get 490 years from 70 weeks?

The Answer is it is a punishment time so as defined in

Num:14:34: After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

That is how we get 490 years out of 70 weeks it is how we get 1260 years out of 42 months.

 

[holdon]

42 months or Time times and Half a Time. 1260 days .....each day = one year.

But, time, times and .5 time are 3.5 years, or 42 months or 1260 days. Not years.[/quote]

How do you get 490 years from 70 weeks?[/quote]70 sevens are 490 years, because the last half week is referenced in Daniel as 3.5 years (42 months; 1260 days).

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

There is no mention of years in daniel 9:

[24] "Seventy weeks are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.[25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. [26] And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war; desolations are decreed. [27] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."

Sorry no years in that prophecy. And Daniel 9 is not a prophecy for end Times. You have placed it there by your own words not by Daniel's.

Here are all the references to the end days in the book of Daniel

Daniel 8:17, Daniel 8:19, Daniel11:27, Daniel 11:35, Daniel 11:40, Daniel 12:4 Daniel 12:9

Notice that the term end of times or end days or time of the end is not used once in Chapter 9. Why is that? Why, if it is a prophecy for end times, why does Daniel not say so, Daniel and Jesus repeatedly say it about other end time prophecies (ie: chapters 8 and 11,12). It would seem that this prophecy does not deal with the end times. To say it does is to add your own meaning and understanding to Gods word.

 

[holdon]

Here are all the references to the end days in the book of Daniel

Daniel 8:17, Daniel 8:19, Daniel11:27, Daniel 11:35, Daniel 11:40, Daniel 12:4 Daniel 12:9

Notice that the term end of times or end days or time of the end is not used once in Chapter 9.

Here is the mention of the end in ch. 9:

9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations there shall be a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

Poured out on the desolate does not mean the end times.

That is your assumption.

Poured out is used repeatedly when referring to Gods Anger.

The prince of the people who come is Titus. The Desolate are the Pharisees. IE the priest Kings that were cut off and Had Nothing.

Mt:23:38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

 

[holdon]

Hi

Poured out on the desolate does not mean the end times.

That is your assumption.

Poured out is used repeatedly when referring to Gods Anger.

The prince of the people who come is Titus. The Desolate are the Pharisees. IE the priest Kings that were cut off and Had Nothing.

Mt:23:38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

You need to read better. Dan 9:27 says "consumption" not only that but also "until" that consumption. That is the end. Compare Dan 11:39 and 12:11 with this verse.

And the prince that shall come is not Titus. It says: "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary". So, it is this people that destroys the city and the sanctuary. (this happened in AD70). But it also says that there is "a prince that shall come" out of this people. He is the same you read of in ch. 11.
This prince, in the end, shall confirm a covenant with the many in that last week which is yet to come.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

No that is fundy Doctrine and not based in the Chapter itself.

Nowhere does it say this prophecy is for the end times.

No where does it say years .........................Nowhere does it say Wall..............No Where does it say messiah..................it says anointed.

The Consumption does not mean end time the consumption came in 70 AD which is when the prince of the people who will come came.

The prince in this verse is not the AC he is not the little horn.

BECAUSE Daniel does not associate him with the little horn ............................I know you do but Daniel does not.

When you read the whole prophecy it is clear the prophecy ends at verse

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Then it goes back and focuses on one week that starts the MANY DESOLATIONS. That week is the Macabeen war of 167 to 160 BC which was the start of War and Many Desolations of the Temple, which Daniel is told, will continue until the end of Jerusalem. Here are the dates of the desolation’s 167BC, 162 BC, 63BC, 47BC, 27BC down to 17 AD is the longest as pictures or plaques of Augustus where set up in every wall of every wing of the Temple.

 

[holdon]

Nowhere does it say this prophecy is for the end times.

9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with an overflow, and unto the end, war, -- the desolations determined.

No where does it say years .........................

It says "sevens" like I said before. By the way you came up some weird 490 years schedule as well. So, how about that?

Nowhere does it say Wall..............

See Nehemia 2.

No Where does it say messiah..................it says anointed.

Still making me laugh with that one. Must be your battles with a certain Jerome I guess, who have left you this scar...

The Consumption does not mean end time the consumption came in 70 AD which is when the prince of the people who will come came.

There is no prince that came in 70AD. The people of the a future prince came: the Romans.

The prince in this verse is not the AC

Ah, we have to take your word for it don't we?

BECAUSE Daniel does not associate him with the little horn ............................I know you do but Daniel does not.

When you read the whole prophecy it is clear the prophecy ends at verse

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Then it goes back and focuses on one week that starts the MANY DESOLATIONS. That week is the Macabeen war of 167 to 160 BC which was the start of

War and Many Desolations of the Temple, which Daniel is told, will continue until the end of Jerusalem. Here are the dates of the desolation’s 167BC, 162 BC, 63BC, 47BC, 27BC down to 17 AD is the longest as pictures or plaques of Augustus where set up in every wall of every wing of the Temple.

Ah, dream on. You just said the prince was Titus, and then we have to revert back a few hundred years to get to that same prince???? Because the "he" of verse 27 is the prince of verse 26.

But the fact is that the people (the Romans) destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70AD. Then there will be future prince of that same people, (so the Romans will be back) that will confirm a covenant with the many in Israel (so Israel will be back as they are already), and in the middle of the 70th week he will make sacrifices cease (so, there will be religious rites again). But he will put up the abomination of desolation (12:11; Mt 24:15) and sit in the temple 2 Thess 2:4 (so there will be a temple again) and because of that the wrath (consumption) will be poured upon the desolate.

 

[stryper36]

I wish people would learn how to properly interpret prophecy.
"Left Behind" is a series full of errors and too many people worship what it says.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

You are missing what I said.

The prince of the people that shall come . Does not infer that the Prince will come after the people. The prince leads the people. The prince does not do it himself his people IE Romans do it.

The he is one of the Kings of the North It does not have to be the king of the North that destroys the temple.

In Daniel 11 it uses HE and King of the North repeatedly for kings that span over 300 years.

This whole Fundy Doctrine that the Temple will be rebuilt and it will be God's temple and that animal sacrifice will start again and then be taken away from God is just Nonsense.

God does not accept Animal Sacrifice so HOW can it be taken from him.

That would be like me taking Drugs or child inappropriate content from you. I assume you do not Like such things I assume you take no pleasure in them SO HOW can I take it away from You. I CANNOT.

So to with the Temple and animal Sacrifice God does not want or need another Temple. WE are the Temple

God Does not want or need Animal Sacrifice We provide the Acceptable sacrifice.

The only one who wants another Temple is The AC so he can sit in it and show himself to be God. Building a Temple is the desolating sacrileges where it ought not to be. Not a Statue in side a Temple of Satan. If the AC builds a Temple how can it be Gods Temple, IT CANNOT BE. If he Puts a statue inside his temple how can that an Abomination it is His Temple Not God’s.

By the Fundy doctrine I could Build a temple Claim it is Gods and then put a statue in it. Would That make it God’s temple. If I started Animal Sacrifice in my Temple and then you stopped me would that be taking it away from God. The Whole Fundy Doctrine is just a ridiculous pile of rubbish that has no basis in common sense let alone scripture.

Every single fundy who donates to this abomination or helps in any way is spitting in Jesus’ face saying WE WILL Build what you tore Down We will start what You died to end. This is the Abomination not some statue in the AC building.

I tell you here and now anyone who helps or participates in this abomination will pay a very heavy price indeed.

 

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Greetings. Just The Facts.
Hi there holden.
Please note that capitals are used for emphasis purposes only.
Dear Brother Just the Facts.
The Bible, makes it absolutely clear that the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD, and the FOURTH BEAST POWER are all around together at the SAME TIME when the SAINTS POSSES the kingdom. This is firstly shown in Daniel 2 where these last powers rise during the ‘feet of iron and clay’ period.
The lion, bear, leopard, kingdoms rise, join as one fourth last BEAST kingdom and fall during the feet of iron and clay period when the rock is cast against the statue and God, sets up His kingdom.
Daniel 2: 42. And as the toes of the feet were PART OF IRON, and so THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PARTLY STRONG, AND PARTLY BROKEN.
That states ‘IRON AND CLAY,’ MIXED!
NOT PURE IRON.
43. And whereas thou sawest IRON MIXED WITH CLAY, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44. And IN THESE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL the GOD of heaven SET UP HIS KINGDOM, which shall NEVER BE DESTROYED: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
The lion, bear, Leopard, and fourth beast rise up at the feet of iron and clay at Daniel 7:
Daniel, took the explanation of the king’s chezev right to the feet of iron and clay, he did not stop at the legs of iron, at the FOURTH METAL EMPIRE he continued on the next kingdom made of IRON AND CLAY then on to another everlasting kingdom, so there are more than just four.
Daniel’s own visions started at the feet of the statue, where the historic powers would have fulfilled their roles and will have faded into historic oblivion as we now know.
Daniel, witnessed the start of the process with his own eyes as the Medo/Persians, shoulders of silver power, took vanquished the golden head/Babylonian empire.

The Babylonian empire rises 608 BC?
Then fades into history. 539 BC?

The Medo/Persian empire rises. 539 BC?
Then fades into history. 331 BC?

The Greek empire rises. 331BC?
Then fades into history. 146 BC?

Then the Roman empire rises. 146 BC?
Then fades into history. 476 AD?
Three kingdoms rise at the feet of iron and clay, the Lion, Bear, Leopard.
They will give their allegiance to the first beast with the mortal wound and become the 4th BEAST POWER.

It is over 1500 years since the last empire, the ‘legs of iron’ power collapsed.
So where does that place us now?
At the ‘FEET OF IRON AND CLAY on the statue.
Dan 7, from the lion to the kingdom of God.
Therefore is set at ‘the time of the end’ which the wording clearly illustrates.
Daniel 2: mentions the last kingdom legs of iron in verse 40.
The explanation depicts another kingdom in verse 41.
In verse 43 the relationships of the iron and clay kingdom is made known.
Verse 44 makes it abundantly clear that these kings are around together when God, sets up His kingdom.
Dan 2: 44. AND IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
So who are these last kings at the feet of iron and clay?
Daniel 7: 3. And FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP from the sea, diverse one from another. See Dan 7: 4 – 7.
They form up by giving their allegiance to the beast with the mortal wound making up the FOURTH BEAST POWER UNTIL THE BEAST IS SLAIN.

Rev 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his FEET were as the feet OF A BEAR, and his mouth as THE MOUTH OF A LION: and the DRAGON GAVE HIM HIS POWER, and his seat, and great authority.
Dragon’s ID.
See Rev 12: 9. Rev 20: 2. The dragon is Satan.
The beast is only given power for ‘42 MONTHS’ by Satan, because that is all that Satan’s realm has left when he is cast out of Heaven.
Rev 13: 4. And they worshipped the DRAGON WHICH GAVE [POWER UNTO THE BEAST: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS.
Dan 7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even TILL THE BEAST WAS SLAIN, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

What will happen to the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD powers that ARE LEFT AROUND TOGETHER after the beast is killed?
Daniel 7: 12. As concerning the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away: YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED for a season and time.
All around TOGETHER at the SAME TIME.
In Daniel 2: 39, we have the 1st kingdom “And after thee” the 2nd and 3rd kingdom.
GOLD KINGDOM!
SILVER KINGDOM!
BRASS KINGDOM!


Daniel 2: 39. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Verse 40 deals with the 4th kingdom, in detail.
IRON KINGDOM!
40. And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Another KINGDOM OF IRON AND CLAY!
Where God. sets up His everlasting kingdom.

41. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be PARTLY STRONG, and PARTLY BROKEN.

43.And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


44. And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall NEVER be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
The above verses make it clear that God’s kingdom will be set up whilst the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD, are around together, after the beast that ruled the fourth iron and clay empire is dead whereupon the Saints, will posses the Earth.
Now we have some of these powers that can be identified today.
Lion/eagle’s wings USA/GB alliance along with other Gentile nations.
Bear/Russia.
The Leopard? Could be China, but I am not sure just yet.
As far as the fourth BEAST POWER is concerned.
I’m waiting on the beast with the mortal wound and then for Satan, to turn up within the 2300 ereb boqer period, referred to as ‘7 years’ within which to give the beast with the mortal wound power for 42 months.
Daniel 7: 4 to 7, the progression provides the detail of the powers that arise at the ‘feet of iron and clay’ in more striking detail .
Four beasts rise up, beast one, the lion, beast two, the bear, beast three, the leopard, together joining up with the beast with the mortal wound to bring about the fourth beast kingdom.
They make up the FOURTH BEAST POWER.
Rev 13:2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his FEET were as the feet OF A BEAR, and his mouth as THE MOUTH OF A LION: and the DRAGON gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 

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Just The Facts, quote.
“This is exactly what is said in Daniel 2:”
”2:40: And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.”
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Dear Just The Facts.
The above verse is speaking of the FOURTH IRON EMPIRE OF ROME, present at the legs of iron,
It is certainly not referring to the FOURTH BEAST POWER at the feet of iron and clay.
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Just the facts quote.
“These are the same kingdoms Both denoted as Iron”
”7:7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:”
”You are ignoring what is said they both are the fourth kingdom on Earth The both are strong as iron and the Both break into pieces the Other Kingdoms before them.”
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Dear Brother.
They certainly are not quote “DENOTED AS IRON’ unquote. Rome was made of PURE IRON…. And rose up at the LEGS OF IRON.
The fourth BEAST power is a mixture of ‘IRON AND CLAY.’... It rises at the FEET OF ‘IRON AND CLAY’ AFTER THE three beast powers, known as the LION, BEAR, and LEOPARD.
I know that people can get confused with the Roman legs of iron power with that of the 4th beast power made up of the lion, bear, leopard, powers which join together WITH THE BEAST WITH THE MORTAL WOUND to make the FOURTH BEAST POWER KINGDOM at the time of IRON AND CLAY.

THE BEAST WITH THE MORTAL wound drives the FOURTH BEAST POWER, they come up, only at the feet of the statue and NOT before that time and remain together until THE SAME BEAST IS DESTROYED.
The Beast leads, for a short time of only of ‘42 months’ stipulated in the chezev, not 622 years of the Roman empire’s span.
The historic four empires that were METAL past empires are nowhere around at the feet of iron and clay and the Bible, does not associate the lion, with Babylon, or the bear, with the Medo/Persian empire or leopard with the Geek empire but only with the FOURTH BEAST POWER.
The difference is in the name.
FOURTH METAL EMPIRE.
FOURTH BEAST EMPIRE.
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Just The Facts, quote.
“In Addition you say the Little Horn prevails over the saints for 31/2 years when it uses the term times.”
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Yes Just The Facts, I certainly do say that.

Dan 7: 21. I beheld, and THE SAME HORN MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and PREVAILED AGAINST THEM;
Daniel 12: 7. And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be FOR A TIME, TIMES, and an HALF; and when he shall have accomplished to SCATTER THE POWER OF THE HOLY PEOPLE, ALL THESE things SHALL BE FINISHED.
That means, 3 ½ years.
Time = one.
Times = two.
Half a time = ½ = 3 ½ years. Ipso facto.
The Bible, clearly says it differently from you.
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Just The Facts, quote.
“When the Term Times is used it denotes a year for a day. Whenever we have weeks, months, or Times it is a year for a day.
So the little horn prevails over the saints for 1260 years not 1260 days.”
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I am afraid that I must disagree with you Just The Facts, on this matter for the following reasons.

Dan 4: 16. Let his heart be changed from man’s, and let a beast’s heart be given unto him; and LET SEVEN TIMES pass over him.
Daniel 4: 23 mentions quote, “and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, TILL SEVEN TIMES pass over him;”
In Dan 4: 25, 32. the term is repeated “they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and SEVEN TIMES shall pass over thee,
7 times means 7 years in the above verse.
Also the idea of 1260 days somehow meaning quote ‘1260 years’ unquote, is a forced reading of it and is unsubstantiated by the scripture and is preposterous.
Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO CONTINUE FORTY and TWO MONTHS. 42 months means ’42 months.’
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Just The Facts, quote.
“In Addition the Little horn rises out of the Fourth Beast which was Rome.”
”The problem with most interpretation of prophecy is they have this total cut off where we are told nothing of the 2,000 years from the Time of Jesus to the Time of the End.”
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Dear Brother Just The Facts, may I be forthright here without causing you offence in any way.
Concerning your second paragraph of 2000 years as being a “cut off’ somehow being a ‘problem.’ That is your own personal supposition and though I respect your thoughts on this, they are personal and are not biblical issues.

However as for your first remark. quote “In Addition the Little horn rises out of the Fourth Beast which was Rome.” unquote.
That cannot be found in the Bible, therefore is unsubstantiated, so I am not convinced of it.
Besides the beast only has 42 months before he dies, so the timing seems a little bit off.

Rev 13: 11. And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST COMING UP out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and he SPAKE AS A DRAGON.
The above last verse speaks of Satan.
Rev 13: 12. And he exerciseth all the power OF THE FIRST BEAST BEFORE HIM, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship THE FIRST BEAST, whose DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED. 13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
The above last verse speaks of the first beast with the deadly wound.
Let me just say this because I have heard others say the opposite without any Bible backup.
The beast with the mortal wound is not Rome neither is the scarlet woman riding the beast, and neither is the dragon as some would endeavour to suggest.
The wound and who will give it to the fallen angel is clearly hinted at in Gen 3: 15.
So please I don’t want to hear from anyone that it has anything to do with Rome, or pope Pious 8th around 1798 or that the wound was given to the church of Rome by ‘Berthier’ or has anything to do with Napoleon.
Gen 3: 15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt BRUISE HIS HEEL.
Satan, is the little horn , read Daniel 7 and see what the little horn does and compare it with the evil deeds of Satan, they are the same deeds committed by the same person.
The LITTLE HORN WARS against the Saints UNTIL they possess the KINGDOM.
Dan 7:21. I beheld, and the SAME HORN MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and PREVAILED AGAINST THEM.
Dan 7: 22. UNTIL THE ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME, and judgment was given to the SAINTS of the most High; and the time came that the SAINTS POSSESSED THE KINGDOM.
Dan 7: 25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall WEAR OUT THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND until a time and times and the dividing of time.
The little horn overcomes them and they are given into his hands for ONLY 3 ½ years.
And the beast with the mortal wound?
Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO CONTINUE FORTY and TWO MONTHS.

 

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Just The Facts, quote.
”The problem with most interpretation of prophecy is they have this total cut off where we are told nothing of the 2,000 years from the Time of Jesus to the Time of the End.”
“THIS IS JUST NONSENSE.”
”Amos:3:7: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
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Dear Just The Facts.
You may think that to wait ‘2000 years’ being without a word of prophecy from God, is ‘NONSENSE,’ but that simply shows that we think like men and I certainly understand that very much indeed.
However Jesus, did reveal the time was long, so we must wait in faith on His word.
This is why Daniel, was sick three weeks?
Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, BUT THE TIME APPOINTED was LONG: and he understood the thing, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE VISION.
Daniel, is talking of Daniel 7, 8, AND NINE they are ALL placed at A LONG TIME INTO THE FUTURE!
The word used for vision or visions is Chezev.
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Just The Facts, quote.
”To believe God gives us no prophecy for the period between Jesus departure and his return is just not reality.”
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Dear Brother Just The Facts, I understand your view however we must use the Bible, for verification as being the ultimate arbiter and on this subject it is clear.

We are told to have faith in the word of God, which makes 2000 years nothing, compared to eternity as far as I’m concerned.
Dear Just The Facts, the ‘inter -Testamental’ period of 430 years is another example of a nothing period. Two thousand years or more to the Lord, is not that much time at all, if it were I would be seriously worried. But that is not a biblical issue, it’s your personal.
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Just The Facts, quote.
”Revelation is this prophecy and the prophecy on the mount. While Daniel deals primarily with events coming up to Jesus first advent and gives us some little pieces after that. Revelation deals with this time in great detail.”
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Daniel, little book closed, Revelation, little book open and both are primarily concerned with THE TIME OF THE END.
Daniel’s book will not be understood before that time, therefore it is speaking to God’s children, just before and at the’ time of the end’ period, because previous generations including Daniel, did not understand much of the chezev at all and neither did the theologians, responsible for changing words in the Bible, FROM DAYS INTO YEARS, because they tried to force read the Bible, into fitting their theories and failed dismally.
What is the value of prophecy when it looks back?
It was not written for past generations to understand, so to whom was it written?
To those within the proper time span at ‘the time of the end’ that are to be affected by these cataclysmic events.

Daniel 7, deals with a very short period of the 2300 ereb boqer, a time span of ‘7 years’ to the coming kingdom along with a ‘season and time’ after the tribulation period. Revelation however proceeds even further forward, on for a thousand years and eternity.
Daniel’s first vision 7 is an overview.
Daniel 7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away: yet THEIR LIVES WERE PRLONGED for a season and time.
The rest of the beasts are the Lion, Bear, Leopard, beasts that are left for a while all TOGETHER for a short period. So out goes the idea about them being the past metal empires.
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Just The Facts, quote.
“Revelation is a detailed explanation of the fourth Beast that rules the Earth. revelation is a detailed picture of how the Little horn persecutes the Truth for 1260 years.”
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Just The Facts, you are making suppositions, based on a preconceived idea. the Bible, says ‘1260 days’ and does not say ‘1260 years’ because the beast is only given power for ‘42 months to continue’ and the woman is hidden and fed for only 42 months, hidden for 1260 days in the wilderness from the face of the Serpent/Satan, in Rev 12. If it were longer it would have said it.
Also the two witnesses are witnessing for ‘1260 days’ as Jerusalem is ’trampled by the Gentiles for 42 months’ in Rev 11.1,2.
Dan 7: 8, 21 speaks of what he does and more detail is given in the next verse.
Dan 7: 25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND UNTIL A TIME AND TIMES AND THE DIVIDING OF TIME.
That means 3 ½ years.
The abomination of desolation that will stand in the holy place mentioned in Matthew 24: 15, is associated with the second advent because the INTENT of that chapter is to the question posed in verse 3 of Matt 24 which concerns His second coming , not His first resulting in His death.

The ‘1335 days’ from Daniel 12: 12. is the time of the tribulation period to get through before the Saints, receive their BLESSING which is given to the Saints in Rev 19 verses 1 to 10 at the wedding supper, after which they come back to Earth, as part of God’s great army, and will meet with the lion, bear and leopard powers that were left waiting for a little time, ‘season and time’ for the sword at the Armageddon battle. See Rev 19: 11 – 21.
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Just the Facts, quote.
“The time frames are
1. 1260 years of the opression of the Truth.
2. The Time of the Power of the Holy People
3. 1260 days
4. 45 days”
Do you understand what the Time of the "Power of the Holy People" is.
JTF.
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Dear Just The Facts. There is no, quote ‘1260 years,’ unquote because that period does not fit within the 2300 ereb boqer of the chezev, in Daniel 8 which cannot be changed.
THE BIBLE, SAYS 1260 days.
The power of the holy people comes from the Holy Spirit, which will occur within the ‘latter rain.’
The first rain was given moderately as in the case with the 120 in the upper room and others, that were imbued with the power of the Holy Spirit a little later.
But at the time of the end the power of the Holy Spirit will be given ‘to all flesh’ abundantly.
Joel 2: 23. Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first.
Joel 2: 28. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
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Just The Facts, quote
“The Saints are Christians not Jews .”
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Dear Just The facts, I can’t believe you stated that about the chosen people.
THE BIBLE, IS A JEWISH BOOK not a Gentile, book.
The only Gentile, from memory who wrote in the book was King Nebuchadnezzar, who wrote Daniel 4.
The Bible, is about the Jewish nation and their God. When they read it, it is about themselves when we read it, it is about them and the Gentile nations that have had an association with Israel, or will have prophetically are therefore mentioned on that basis only, by the Bible.
You said quote, “The Saints are Christians not Jews.” Unquote.
There are Jewish people that are Saints and Christians, ‘Messianic Jews.’
King David, understood what Saints were and said so.
2 Chronicles 6: 41. Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, BE CLOTHED WITH SALVATION, and let thy SAINTS REJOICE IN GOODNESS.
Psalms 50: 5. Gather MY SAINTS TOGETHER unto me; those that have made a COVENANT WITH ME BY SACRIFICE.
Psalms 79: 2. The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.
Psalms 132: 9. Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
Rev 5: 9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 19: 8. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.