The Patterns And Parallels Of Daniel.

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Just The Facts, quote.
“The little Horn, healed beast, two Horned lamb tramples the truth for 1260 years. They practise their false religion and prosper”
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‘The little horn’ and ‘lamb that speaks like a dragon,’ the ‘dragon’ and ‘serpent’ are of course the same person… Satan.
The Bible, does not say ‘1260 years,’ It says ‘1260 days.’ ‘1260 years’ will not fit into the 2300 ereb boqer time of the end span, as I have said earlier.
After all, the beast is only given 42 months to continue.
Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY and TWO MONTHS. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7And it was given unto him to MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to OVERCOME THEM: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
What does the beast and Satan/little horn, who gives power unto the beast do within’ the forty two months,?’
Daniel 7: 25. And he shall speak great WORDS against the most High, and shall WEAR OUT THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be GIVEN INTO HIS HAND until a TIMES AND TIMES and the DIVIDING OF TIME. 26But THE JUDGMENT WILL SIT, and they shall TAKE AWAY HIS DOMINION, to consume and to destroy it UNTO THE END. 27And THE KINGDOM and DOMINION, and the greatness of the KINGDOM under the WHOLE HEAVEN, shall be GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an EVERLASTING KINGDOM, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
That’s ‘time of the end’ and ‘end time’ speak.
Every serious Bible, student knows that this realm is Satan’s, so who is going to lose it named the little horn… Satan.
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Just The Facts, quote.

”42 months or Time times and Half a Time. 1260 days .....each day = one year.”
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Dear Just The Facts. I am going to be blunt with you.
Changing any prophetic ‘day for one year’ which is an imposition placed on prophecy time spans is unbiblical therefore unsubstantiated and as a result, unwise.
That is not the intent of Ezekiel 4: 1 – 8 or Numbers 14: 34.
It cannot be done and is inexcusable by the Lord’s own statements of Rev 22: 18, 19!
The verses you quote as Somehow giving men permission to change days into years is just not substantiated biblically. Certain verses speak of those that rejected and dishonestly reported untruths about the promised land for forty days, because they thought they knew better than God, and it cost them dearly.
At least Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, were honest.
40 years of wandering in the dessert was the result of that dishonest misreporting for 40 days which has NOTHING to do with Daniel, or Revelation.
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Just The Facts, quote.
“How do you get 490 years from 70 weeks?”
”The Answer is it is a punishment time so as defined in
Num:14:34: After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
That is how we get 490 years out of 70 weeks it is how we get 1260 years out of 42 months.
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Dear Brother Just The Facts, you say quote. “How do you get 490 years from 70 weeks?”
You simply can’t Brother, not using the Bible, that is.

I speak only of the idea, not of anyone personally, please understand that fact.
This dreadful theory has been around a long time, and is a misuse of scripture resulting in ever increasing distortions.
The so called ‘490 years.’ Is a misplaced theory at best.
It will not fit biblical timetables anywhere.
This time distortion idea has lead men to the words of one decree by Cyrus which is one of three, which speaks of something entirely different to that of Daniel’s.

Dan 9: 25. is not concerned with building the ‘house of God.’
The intent of Dan 9; 25 is dealing with the REBUILDING OF JERUSALEM the other is decreeing the BUILDING THE HOUSE OF GOD.
Different words, different applications, at different times and different projects.
Changing around the words in the Holy Bible, is considered wrongdoing.

Rev 22: 18. For I testify UNTO EVERY MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHECY, God shall take AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Dear Just The Facts, let me deal with ‘forced applications.’
When Numbers 14: 34, along with Ezekiel 4: 6. are used to justify a day year change there is a glaring problem when we actually read what the Bible says.
In fact Numbers 14: 34, and Ezekiel 4: 6, are opposites.

Numbers 14: 34. FORTY DAYS OF SIN, FORTY YEARS OF PUNISHMENT.

Ezekiel 4: 6. FORTY YEARS OF SIN FORTY DAYS OF PUNISHMENT.

Numbers 14: 34. “After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even FORTY DAYS, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, shall ye bear your iniquities, FORTY YEARS, and ye shall know my breach of promise.”
Ezekiel 4: 6. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt BEAR THE INIQUITY of the house of Judah FORTY DAYS: I HAVE APPOINTED THEE EACH DAY FOR A YEAR.

They proclaim contradictory terms if used outside there specific situation.
Therefore it is unsound to apply one or the other of these verses as a generalisation to any other unrelated biblical verses.
They are made within the immediate concerns of Ezekiel 4 and Num 14.

We now have to drop the idea of changing a day into a year, it does not stand biblical scrutiny.


My kindest regards.

Maranatha.

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Greetings Just The Facts.
Hi there holden.
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JTF, quote.
“Here is a list of all references to the End Times in the book of Daniel”
“Daniel 8:17, Daniel 8:19, Daniel11:27, Daniel 11:35, Daniel 11:40, Daniel 12:4 Daniel 12:9”
“Notice that the term end of times or end days or time of the end is not used once in Chapter 9. Why is that?”
“Why, if it is a prophecy for end times, does Daniel not say so, Daniel and Jesus repeatedly say it about other end time prophecies (ie: chapters 8 and 11,12). It would seem that this prophecy does not deal with the end times. To say it does is to add your own meaning and understanding to God’s word.”

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Dear Just the Facts, so we come to Daniel 9 where you are right of course.
However the placement of Daniel, chapter 9 is made at the time of the end at the beginning of Daniel 10.

Please note, capitals are for emphasis purposes only.

Daniel, received visions 7, 8, and 9.
We now come to chapter 10: 1. Where Daniel, reflects upon 7, 8, and vision 9.
What does he say about the time of these visions?

Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, BUT THE TIME APPOINTED was LONG: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. 2. In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

Daniel, understood the chezev.
The time appointed was LONG, and most serious Bible, students understand that the time appointed all through Daniel, is at the ‘TIME OF THE END.’
So to those reading this and your good self Just The Facts, read through the start of this thread carefully where I run through the ‘patterns and parallels of Daniel’ 7: 8: 9: and a little of 10: Then you may choose to stay fluid and at least reconsider some of your ideas on this matter. I hope that you will at least look at them in a fair impartial minded and inquisitive manner.

In Daniel 9: 24. They have 70 weeks TO END transgression, SINS, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Even the above wording speaks of things that can only occur ‘at the time of the end.’
One. “TO END TRANSGRESSION.”
Two. “MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR ENIQUITY.”
Three. “BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

These are accomplishments that can only be fulfilled at the ‘time of the end.’

My kindest regards.

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[Just The Facts]

Hi Countdown

I am well aware of the doctrine you are espousing and have looked at it and tested it against the word of God. Not only doesn’t Daniel make it “clear” they ARE NOT on earth at the same time IT DOES NOT EVEN SUGGEST IT.

In Daniel 2 We are Told there are legs of Iron. This symbolises the East and West Roman Empire.

This Then goes to the feet partly of clay and partly Iron. The feet also represent a stage in Rome ie:the fourth Kingdom.

SO NOW we have to ask ourselves what becomes of Rome after the Fall in 476 Ad what happens to the Two halves Do they continue as iron Kingdoms or do they fall apart sometimes. Do they exists as one continuous government or do they take the form of Several governments or Kingdoms. Are they always strong or are they also weak do they exist as one continuous Kingdom or Power or do they have peaks of Power sometimes strong followed by weak times then another peak of strength.

All these doctrines that go from Rome to end times, step by almost 2,000 years of History and are just not in line with the promise of God. All is revealed to the Prophets.

What you need to do is Look at what Followed the Deadly wound to Rome in 476AD ………….Which is the Holy Roman Empire………………..the Claimed Kingdom of God on Earth. Do you not think if some Kingdom was going to claim to be the promised kingdom ofn Earth God would tell us of this Kingdom therough the prophets. That is what rev is a warning against the kingdom that claims it is the Kingdom of God.

You ignore this obvious truth in favour of a doctrine that denies the promise of God to reveal all.

 

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Hi there, Just The Facts.
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Just The Facts, quote.
”I am well aware of the doctrine you are espousing and have looked at it and tested it against the word of God. Not only doesn’t Daniel make it “clear” they are on earth at the same time IT DOES NOT EVEN SUGGEST IT.”
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Hi Just The Facts, by your very own above statement and following statements, I don’t think you have tested what you call quote ’the doctrine I’m espousing’ against the word of God, I believe you have tested it against the doctrine that you have adopted, I say that because you do not quote the Bible, to back up your contentions.
You have repeated the ideology topics that have I have dealt with using scripture, which I will do again.
Daniel 2: A dream by king Nebuchadnezzar.
God, gave Daniel, the explanation of it. verse 19.
Daniel thanked God, for the understanding of the vision and praises Him to verse 23.
Daniel, gave all credit to the living God of Heaven, to verse 28.
Verse 31. Daniel, explains the image of the statue.
Verse 34. This image’s HEAD OF FINE GOLD, his BREAST and his ARMS SILVER, his BELLY and his THIGHS of BRASS,
33. His LEGS of IRON, his FEET PART of IRON and PART OF CLAY. 34. Thou sawest till that A STONE was cut out without hands, which SMOT THE IMAGE UPON HIS FEET OF IRON AND CLAY, and brake them to pieces.

At what time period/stage on the image is the stone cast?
At the time of the FEET AND TOES OF IRON AND CLAY, which is at ‘the time of the end.’
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Just the Facts, quote.
“ This Then goes to the feet partly of clay and partly Iron. The feet also represent a stage in Rome ie:the fourth Kingdom.”
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The Bible, doesn’t say, quote.“The feet also represent a stage in Rome ie:the fourth Kingdom.” Unquote.
Nowhere is that said in the Bible, Just The Facts, please don’t quote things that you can’t back up with the Bible.

It was the Visigoths and Goths and other Europeans nations and many others that could not be controlled by Rome and so Rome retreated within its own borders.
Now let’s get back to the following kings at the time of iron and clay.
The God, of heaven sets up His kingdom at trumpet seven. see 1st Cor 15: 52 which is at ‘the time of the end.’
Now we have the TIME factored in, we now have these last remaining BEAST KINGS all present when God, sets up His kingdom.
Bible, backup.
Dan 2: 44. And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Comparing your statement bellow Just The Facts, with the above Bible’s, statement, demonstrates clearly that you are in disharmony with its intent.
Just The Facts, quote , “Not only doesn’t Daniel make it “clear” they are on earth at the same time IT DOES NOT EVEN SUGGEST IT.” Unquote.
Well Just The Facts, you need to read the Bible, carefully again and not be in such a rush to dash something off and repeat yourself without the biblical facts.
Let’s read more of what Daniel, says. We now have the amplification of the vision.

39. Thou art this HEAD OF GOLD.
And AFTER THEE ANOTHER KINGDOM inferior to thee, AND ANOTHER THIRD KINGDOM of BRASS, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40.And the FOURTH KINGDOM SHALL BE STRONG AS IRON: forasmuch AS IRON BREAKETH in pieces and subdueth all: and AS IRON that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

We now have a better idea of the FOUR PURE METAL KINGDOMS.
The Bible, now presents another kingdom that rises before God’s everlasting kingdom.
41And whereas THOU SAWEST THE FEET AN TOES, PART OF POTTER’S CLAY, AND PART OF IRON,
THE KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED;
but there shall be in it of the STRENGTH OF IRON, forasmuch as thou sawest the IRON MIXED WITH MIRY CLAY.
42. And as the TOES of the FEET PART IRON, and PART of CLAY, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PARTLY STRONG, and PARTLY BROKEN.
That was a good biblical description of the kingdom of IRON AND CLAY to rise a long time after the ROMAN EMPIRE, collapse at about 1500 years ago.

43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
What happens in the Days of these last KINGS?

44And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

That is a second confirmation of THESE KINGS all being around TOGETHER as one big unhappy family when GOD, SETS UP HIS KINGDOM at THE TIME OF THE END.
Just The Facts, you responded to my last prepared lengthy study in around 40 minutes and that was too fast for anyone to claim to have been able to digest that study with any thoroughness in my opinion.
There are numerous Bible, verses that disprove your doctrine and the above is a repeat confirming it twice so far.

Have you changed your mind Just The Facts, on your statement?

quote, “Not only doesn’t Daniel make it “clear” they are on earth at the same time IT DOES NOT EVEN SUGGEST IT.” Unquote.

Or will you ignore the biblical proofs placed here and as in earlier posts and ignore the obvious again and repeat what you advocate.
Twice I have had to do this yet you say that you have, quote : looked at it and tested it against the word of God.” That does not seem to be the case at all to me, reading your replies Just The Facts.
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The Bible, PLACES THESE KINGS AROUND AT THE SAME TIME AND AT THE TIME WHEN GOD, SETS UP HIS KINGDOM AND THAT IS AT TRUMPET SEVEN, WHICH IS AT THE ‘TIME OF THE END.’
So far all four pure metal empires have ceased to exist we have four more to come up at the feet of iron and clay.
IRON denotes the kingdom as being partly ‘strong, yet the CLAY denotes it being ‘broken’ because the two materials can’t cleave one to another.
The two materials symbolize a division, partly strong partly broken. The Bible, does not indicate ‘IRON’ as a continuation of Rome because this is a new kingdom.

Daniel 2: 41. And whereas thou sawest THE FEET AND TOES, PART OF POTTERS’ CLAY, AND PART OF IRON, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42And the toes of the feet PART OF IRON, AND PART OF CLAY, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PARTLY STRONG, AND PARTLY BROKEN.
43And whereas thou sawest IRON MIXED WITH MIRY CLAY, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44. AND IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD, OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

KEY WORDS.
42. “And the toes of the feet PART OF IRON, AND PART OF CLAY, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PARTLY STRONG, AND PARTLY BROKEN”
44. “AND IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD, OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM,”

What kingdoms arise next in Daniel’s own first chezev, that will enhance our understanding of these last earthly kings that are around together when God, sets up His kingdom?

Daniel 7: 2. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3. AND FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP FROM THE SEA, DIVERS ONE FROM ANOTHER.
Four BEAST kingdoms, all different rise up. Daniel looked at each of them and compared them.
Verse 4. A Lion.
Verse 5. A Bear.
Verse 6. A Leopard.
Verse 7. A fourth beast, dreadful and terrible.

NOTE. The above are beast kingdoms, they are NOT metal kingdoms.

Daniel 7: 5. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold A FOURTH BEAST, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was DIVERSE FROM all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

 

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Just The Facts, quote.
In Daniel 2 We are Told there are legs of Iron. This symbolises the East and West Roman Empire.
This Then goes to the feet partly of clay and partly Iron. The feet also represent a stage in Rome ie:the fourth Kingdom.
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The Medo Persian empire is represented on the statue at the chest ‘his breast and his ARMS of silver,’ and there are the two feet and toes of iron and clay.
Two arms, two legs. 2 feet. 10 toes.
We are told by the Bible, that the legs of iron represent a fourth kingdom of iron, in hindsight we can say the Roman empire which ended around1500 years ago.
Just The Facts, you can’t extend the life of the Roman empire past the LEGS OF IRON without it being a construct.
The Bible, makes it clear the IRON denotes strength and the CLAY symbolises a broken kingdom a weakness and division within the last earthly kingdom of the 4th beast with the mortal wound and Satan, kingdom and nothing more.

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Just The Facts, quote.
“SO NOW we have to ask ourselves what becomes of Rome after the Fall in 476 Ad what happens to the Two halves Do they continue as iron Kingdoms or do they fall apart sometimes.”
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The poor Roman empire, what did happen to it? It went into oblivion as with the previous metal kingdoms, so far for 1500 years and I’m still counting.
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Just The Facts, quote.
“Do they exists as one continuous government or do they take the form of Several governments or Kingdoms. Are they always strong or are they also weak do they exist as one continuous Kingdom or Power or do they have peaks of Power sometimes strong followed by weak times then another peak of strength.”
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No, Just The Facts, the Roman empire is FINISHED so get used to it. The Romans drive fast cars too quickly around Italian streets and eat great food.
One nation among many within the European Common Market. Their empire has been dead and long gone for 1500 years. Ipso facto.
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Just the Facts, repeats his own personal view.
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“All these doctrines that go from Rome to end times, step by almost 2,000 years of History and are just not in line with the promise of God. All is revealed to the Prophets.”
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Dear Just The Facts, as I have said before that is your personal view and is worthless and means nothing without biblical backup which you do NOT HAVE.
So it might be better that you stop judging God’s timetable as being somewhat too long by your own volition and read what the Bible, actually says!
If you can’t trust God’s timetable then that is your personal problem. Also all was revealed to His Prophet Daniel, on this subject.
Even Daniel, knew the time appointed was LONG when thinking of his chezev of 7: 8: and 9 which deal with the time of the end as does 10: 11: 12:

Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of king Cyrus of Persia.
Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, but the TIME APPOINTED LONG: and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.
Recalling back to Daniel 9: 27, and even further back, to 7: 8: it is not difficult to see to what he was referring.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,”
“but the TIME appointed LONG:”
“and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,”
“and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV/VISION.”

Dan 8: 26. And the VISION of the evening and the morning which was told TRUE: wherefore shut thou up the vision; FOR IT shall be FOR MANY DAYS.

Daniel, wrote it all down, and just like Jeremiah’s chezev writings of the seventy years of captivity, was revealed to Daniel, through him studying it.
So Daniel’s understanding of the chezev came to him suddenly in the same manner, by him studying his written words from the angel.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,” “but the TIME APPONTED LONG:”
So there goes some 2000 years, no wonder Daniel, was made sick.
It was nothing to do with ‘490 years’ as you have tried to suggest Just The Facts.
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Just The facts, quote
“You ignore this obvious truth in favour of a doctrine that denies the promise of God to reveal all.”
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It wasn’t me that missed The Prophets words of the ‘APPOINTED TIME WAS LONG,’ Just The Facts, it was you otherwise you would not of made an issue about the 2000 years.
Show me where ‘I ignore the truth that denies the promise of God to reveal all.’ I have shown, where you do that Just The Facts, so please be careful before you lay judgement on others.
Now back to the Kings that are around at the time of the end where God, sets up His kingdom.
Daniel 7: 3. AND FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP from the sea, diverse one from another.
1st beast is the Lion, verse 4.
2nd beast is the Bear, verse 5.
3rd beast is the leopard verse 6.
4th beast is the fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, verse 7
Little horn/Satan appears, verse 8.
Judgment is set in Heaven. Verse 9, 10. Books opened.
Little horn speaking great words as the beast with the mortal wound is given unto the flames.
But what are the 3 beast kings doing that are called the lion, bear, and leopard?
Daniel 7: 12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS, THEY HAD THEIR DOMINIONS TAKEN AWAY: YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.
All these beasts together waiting on Earth.
The LION, BEAR, LEOPARD are NOT PAST METAL KINGDOMS because, as we have studied the Bible, it makes it clear that they are around at the SAME TIME at the FEET OF IRON AND CLAY at ‘THE TIME OF THE END.’
It is easy so easy to comprehend, unless the reader has been indoctrinated, then unfortunately they will not be able to digest any of the Bible’s verses above.
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Just The Facts, QUOTE.
“ What you need to do is Look at what Followed the Deadly wound to Rome in 476AD ………….Which is the Holy Roman Empire………………..the Claimed Kingdom of God on Earth. Do you not think if some Kingdom was going to claim to be the promised kingdom ofn Earth God would tell us of this Kingdom therough the prophets. That is what rev is a warning against the kingdom that claims it is the Kingdom of God.”
“You ignore this obvious truth in favour of a doctrine that denies the promise of God to reveal all.”

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There was not one word from the Bible, in your last above statement Just The Facts, yet you state these things as if they were directly from scripture!
In the Bible, Daniel, said that the ‘TIME appointed was LONG,’ which you missed completely and tried to bring in that theory of ‘490 years’ and even stated that, he was thinking about it, and that was why Daniel, was ill three weeks thinking about those ‘490 years.’
It was the WAR that he was concerned about, which is referred to in Dan 7: 8: which concern the 70 weeks in Dan 9: which Dan 10: confirms. See The Interlinear Translation Bible.
You put forward personal statements about 2000 years being too long a period to wait, without prophecy within that time. Then on that unsound personal bases you refer to those same words as if they were of biblical significance or importance, which they are NOT and say that I, quote. “ignore this obvious TRUTH in favour of a doctrine that denies the promise of God to reveal all.” unquote.
You seem unable to differentiate between the personal and taught doctrines of men and that of the clear Bible’s intent

I will not be persuaded by anything you say unless you can back it up with the Bible.
Let’s have a look at the Bible, again to sort the mortal wound out.
Gen 3: 15. And I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN THEE AND THE WOMAN, and BETWEEN THY SEED AND HER SEED; IT SHALL BRUISE THY HEAD, AND THOU SHALT BRUISE HIS HEEL.

Was the Lord’s heel bruised/ nailed to the cross? Yes.
Who hates the woman and wars with her seed? Rev 12: 17. Satan.
Who also persecutes the saints? Rev 13: 7. little horn/Satan and the first beast.
Who has a bruised head/mortal wound? The first beast that rises.
Was the church of Rome around at the Lord’s crucifixion?
No it was not.
There are no Bible, verses that you can turn to that will support many of your assertions, or this next one, quote.
“ What you need to do is Look at what Followed the Deadly wound to Rome in 476AD ………….Which is the Holy Roman Empire.”
There is no date given as to when the wound is received by the beast, only an indication of it. How embarrassed will you be Just The Facts, when the actual beast turns up with the mortal wound and some people start bowing down to him and you see it is not the church of Rome.
Now I would like to go through 7: 8: 9: 10: and show others that we have hardly any time left as the goat gets ready to attack the larger horn on the ram, Iran.
If you wish to state anything Just The Facts, would you please make sure that you have biblical backing next time please.
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If men change the words in the Holy Bible, to make it fit their preconceived ideas, folks keep clear of them.
Dealing with prophecy a very wise man said the following.
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"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies of the Bible, and insist on their literal interpretation in the midst of much clamour and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton 1643-1727

Maranatha.

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[Just The Facts]

Hi countdown

Well maybe you think the Roman Empire went the way of the dinosaur in 476AD.

Justinian would disagree In 550 when he retook the west from the three barbarian Kingdoms that had over run it he declared the Western half of the Empire was again part of the Empire.

It was like Rome's deadly wound was healed and it was reborn.

Charlemagne would also disagree he clearly claimed to be Roman Emperor of the West. In fact I believe they had a name for the successive kingdoms that followed.............................Now what was that name................................OH YA……………………….. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.

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There was not one word from the Bible, in your last above statement Just The Facts, yet you state these things as if they were directly from scripture!
In the Bible, Daniel, said that the ‘TIME appointed was LONG,’ which you missed completely and tried to bring in that theory of ‘490 years’ and even stated that, he was thinking about it, and that was why Daniel, was ill three weeks thinking about those ‘490 years.’
It was the WAR that he was concerned about, which is referred to in Dan 7: 8: which concern the 70 weeks in Dan 9: which Dan 10: confirms. See The Interlinear Translation Bible.
You put forward personal statements about 2000 years being too long a period to wait, without prophecy within that time. Then on that unsound personal bases you refer to those same words as if they were of biblical significance or importance, which they are NOT and say that I, quote. “ignore this obvious TRUTH in favour of a doctrine that denies the promise of God to reveal all.” unquote.
You seem unable to differentiate between the personal and taught doctrines of men and that of the clear Bible’s intent

I will not be persuaded by anything you say unless you can back it up with the Bible.
Let’s have a look at the Bible, again to sort the mortal wound out.
Gen 3: 15. And I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN THEE AND THE WOMAN, and BETWEEN THY SEED AND HER SEED; IT SHALL BRUISE THY HEAD, AND THOU SHALT BRUISE HIS HEEL.
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Sorry I thought you were aware of what I have posted on this, since you are not, Allow me to explain.

Out of the fourth beast/Rome comes10 kingdoms/horns. In 476 Rome is Sacked and the First of three barbarian Kings rules the Western Empire. They are the Vandals who sacked Rome in 476 AD, Hence the term vandalise. The Goths were next 492AD and then the Visigoth 532AD these were all barbarian Kings who tried to claim the glory of Rome but to no avail.

When a real Roman Emperor Justinian the Emperor from the East finished his Italian campaigns 554AD he plucked these three Kingdoms up by their roots (home lands) and they were seen no more. In other words he destroyed their Kingdoms and established the first of seven peeks of power(the other seven horns 10-3=7) of the Holy Roman Empire.

You see in rev 13 it is the Seven Heads that have the Blasphemous name.

1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

These Seven heads have the Name of Blaspheme. In rev 17 it is the whole beast that has the Name of Blaspheme

3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

The Remaining seven horns/kingdoms after the first three are plucked up by there roots IS THE WHOLE BEAST/KINGDOM of Rev 17:

What we have is Seven PEAKS OF POWER. The Seven peaks of Power of the Holy Roman Empire or the healed beast/Kingdom.

So far we have seen 6 of these seven peaks of power. Now you will notice in Daniel 2: the Kings during the iron and clay mix try desperately through marriage to hold the Kingdom together.

Dan 2:[43] As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

This is just what the Kings of the Holy Roman Empire do through marriage they try and hold the Empire together but it does not hold. Sometimes it is strong and sometimes it is weak it has seven Peaks or hills of power.

So what we have still to come is one last version of the Holy Roman Empire that will be formed out of 10 kingdoms. These Ten Kingdoms will willingly give their kingdoms over to the AC believing he is Jesus returned. They will do this because of the great wonder performed at the arrival of the AC. This great wonder is to bring Fire from heaven.

Scripture does tell us these events it tells us of the formation of a false Kingdom of God starting in Asia Minor.

11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Beast = Kingdom
Lamb = Jesus
Dragon – devil

So here we have a Kingdom that appears to be that of the Lamb/Jesus ……………………….BUT IT LIES. It speaks like the Dragon

Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Later in Revelation this two horned lamb is referred to as the False prophet, this further denotes both its lying nature and the religious nature of this false kingdom of Lamb/Jesus/God.

Revelation is the telling of the kingdoms that would rule during the 2000 years. We are told in Daniel and Rev that this Kingdom will rule for 1260 years after the deadly wound. When the 1260 years are over we will have fulfillment of the Promise to the House of Joseph/ Israel This is referred to as the Time of “The power of the Holy People”

[7] The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives for ever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished.

After this Happens we will see the Final Version of the Holy Roman Empire …………Who is the King of the North……………….Who will build his Palace at Jerusalem …….who will sit in that temple and show himself as God.

You will Notice in Daniel that the final King of the North /AC Moves into the holy land from the North.

40: And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown:

The king of the North is the revised Roman Empire/ Holy Roman Empire.

Your claim that Rome does not exist is just nonsense Rome is all around us …it is in our Law our culture our architecture our art. Rome received a deadly head wound in 476 AD then came back as the Holy Roman Empire……………..The Kingdom of God on Earth………………..and the Whole World followed after this Lie. That is except the King of the South and the kings of the East.

Here is a map of who followed after this lie.

Sorry countdown you are just wrong about this the prophets did fill in the 2,000 years in very great Detail.

Look at Daniel 11: verse

38He shall honour the god of fortresses instead of these a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honour with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He shall deal with the strongest fortress by the help of a foreign god; those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honour. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a prize.


The change in the King of the North(Rome) comes with Constantine who "converts" to the Christian Faith in 312AD after having a vision where he claimed Jesus told him that if he attacked Rome with the help of the Christian God he would win the battle. Over the next few years he becomes sole Emperor and builds massive Churches Filled with Gold an Jewels.The Church declares him to be the greatest man since Christ. Some Bishops State that he will rule in heaven with Jesus. He elevates the status of Bishops and declares the Bishops to be "God's on Earth" Removes them from the burden of paying Taxes. He makes the Bishops rulers over the Empire by agreeing to do what ever the majority of Bishops pass as Cannons. He gives away literally hundreds of thousand of acres of Imperial land to the Church.

This new Conquering religion (that is a religion that is spread through war and violence and murder of those who do not agree) of the Kings of the North (Holy Roman Empire) will last until Christ second coming it will trample the Great Tribulation Saints and set up the Final abomination (that is it willbuild a temple were it ought not to be) on the Temple Mount. The AC will sit in that Temple and show himself as god.

You see the Devil came to Jesus and said

8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Jesus said go away.

Centuries later as the church suffered under the torture and murder of the Roman persecutions as it cried in pain Satan came again offerring control of the kingdom of the Devil (ie Rome) and we all know what happened next.

 

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Hi there Just The Facts.
Please note that capitals are used for emphasis only.
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“Well maybe you think the Roman Empire went the way of the dinosaur in 476AD.
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No, I don’t actually, the dinosaurs, went out a lot earlier than the old iron empire.
Roman empire. 146 BC - 476 AD.
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Justinian would disagree In 550 when he retook the west from the three barbarian Kingdoms that had over run it he declared the Western half of the Empire was again part of the Empire.
It was like Rome's deadly wound was healed and it was reborn.”
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The Bible, does NOT say quote. ‘Rome’s deadly wound was healed and it was reborn.”
Unfortunately Just The Facts, your statement is a construct.
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”Charlemagne would also disagree he clearly claimed to be Roman Emperor of the West. In fact I believe they had a name for the successive kingdoms that followed.............................Now what was that name................................OH YA……………………….. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.”
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Again you do not quote the Bible. It does NOT mention quote ‘THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.’
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“Sorry I thought you were aware of what I have posted on this, since you are not, Allow me to explain.”
“Out of the fourth beast/Rome comes10 kingdoms/horns.”
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Again you make unbiblical assumptions that, quote. “Out of the fourth beast/Rome comes 10 kingdoms/horns.” Unquote.
Those words are NOT found in the Bible, either.
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JFT quote.
“In 476 Rome is Sacked and the First of three barbarian Kings rules the Western Empire. They are the Vandals who sacked Rome in 476 AD, Hence the term vandalise. The Goths were next 492AD and then the Visigoth 532AD these were all barbarian Kings who tried to claim the glory of Rome but to no avail.”

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Sorry Just The facts, Daniel chapter 7 is about ‘the time of the end’ within the 2300 ereb boqer of 7 years and is certainly not historical.
In the first year of king Belshazzar.
Daniel 7: 2. Has his first future chezev.
Daniel 7: 11.
LITTLE HORN mentioned. “stamped the residue”
Daniel 7: 14. GOD’S EVERLASTING KINGDOM.

1st Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 7: 16. Daniel seeks and is told the interpretation.
Daniel 7: 17. During the lion, bear, leopard, and 4th beast powers.
Daniel 7: 18. SAINTS WILL POSES THE KINGDOM.

2nd Repeat & expansion.
Daniel 7: 20. LITTLE HORN mentioned again.
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Daniel 7: 22. Until Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM TO SAINTS.
All this is at the ‘time of the end’ at the ‘feet and toes of iron and clay’ and not before that time. Please check the above quotes with your own Bible.
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JFT quote.
“When a real Roman Emperor Justinian the Emperor from the East finished his Italian campaigns 554AD he plucked these three Kingdoms up by their roots (home lands) and they were seen no more. In other words he destroyed their Kingdoms and established the first of seven peeks of power(the other seven horns 10-3=7) of the Holy Roman Empire.”
“You see in rev 13 it is the Seven Heads that have the Blasphemous name.”
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Dear Just The Facts, your addition like your timing, is way off.
It is not, quote ‘10-3=7.’
Daniel 7: 20. “And of the TEN HORNS that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom THREE FELL; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21. I beheld, and the same horn MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND PREVAILED AGAINST THEM; 22. Until the ANCIENT OF DAYS CAME, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that THE SAINTS POSSESSED the KINGDOM.”


3rd Repeat & expansion. Wars and wears out the saints.
Daniel 7: 24. LITTLE HORN will subdue three kings.

10 kings – 3 kings + 1 little horn = 8 kings.
10 kings the little horn replaces 3 kings which leaves 7 plus the LITTLE HORN, that leaves 8 kings, and certainly not 7 as you try to suggest.
Daniel 7: 24. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are TEN KINGS that SHALL ARISE: AND ANOTHER RISE AFTER THEM; and he shall be diverse from the first, and HE SHALL SUBDUE THREE KINGS.
Daniel 7: 25. LITTLE HORN speaks against Most High. Wears out
the SAINTS for 3 ½ years, thinks to change laws &
times.

25. “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a TIME and TIMES and the DIVIDING OF TIME.” = 3 ½ YEARS.


Daniel 7: 26. Judgment sits and takes the LITTLE HORN’S
dominion away.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
Daniel 7: 28 Daniel, keeps the chezev to himself.
This Earth is Satan’s dominion, so that gives you a clear identification, that the LITTLE HORN is SATAN, who has his dominion taken away.
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JTF quote.
“1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

”These Seven heads have the Name of Blaspheme. In rev 17 it is the whole beast that has the Name of Blaspheme”
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Dear Just The Facts, you tend to jump all over, taking verses from here and there, out of the Bible, to try and make them fit your ideology.
Why don’t you just let the verses reveal their own intent.
You seem to have left out Revelation 13: 5.
Rev 13: 5. “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS.” = 3 ½ YEARS
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Just The Truth, Bible quote.
“3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”
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Dear Just The Facts, the woman on the scarlet beast is JERUSALEM/ISRAEL. See Ezekiel 16 for her identification.
Anyone reading this please, it is important, read Ezekiel 16 right through, where the woman’s ID is made clear and please note what she is wearing and by whom they were given her.
I would place Ezekiel 16 here but it is too long at 63 verses.
You will see that it is not the, quote ‘holy roman empire’ unquote.
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JTF quote.
”The Remaining seven horns/kingdoms after the first three are plucked up by there roots IS THE WHOLE BEAST/KINGDOM of Rev 17:”
“What we have is Seven PEAKS OF POWER. The Seven peaks of Power of the Holy Roman Empire or the healed beast/Kingdom.”
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If anyone is reading this and, if you have read Ezekiel 16, you will now realise how Just The Facts, has erroneously associated the woman on the beast and the beast as being somehow associated with the church of Rome.
Please remember there are 10 – 3 + 1 = 8, not just 7as Just The Facts, likes to suggest.
Rev 17: 11. And the beast that was, and is not, even HE IS THE EIGHTH, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

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JTF quote.
”So far we have seen 6 of these seven peaks of power. Now you will notice in Daniel 2: the Kings during the iron and clay mix try desperately through marriage to hold the Kingdom together.”
“Dan 2:[43] As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.”
”This is just what the Kings of the Holy Roman Empire do through marriage they try and hold the Empire together but it does not hold. Sometimes it is strong and sometimes it is weak it has seven Peaks or hills of power.”
“So what we have still to come is one last version of the Holy Roman Empire that will be formed out of 10 kingdoms.”
“These Ten Kingdoms will willingly give their kingdoms over to the AC believing he is Jesus returned.”
“They will do this because of the great wonder performed at the arrival of the AC. This great wonder is to bring Fire from heaven.”
“Scripture does tell us these events it tells us of the formation of a false Kingdom of God starting in Asia Minor.”
“11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Beast = Kingdom
Lamb = Jesus
Dragon – devil
So here we have a Kingdom that appears to be that of the Lamb/Jesus ……………………….BUT IT LIES. It speaks like the Dragon”
Jn:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
“Later in Revelation this two horned lamb is referred to as the False prophet, this further denotes both its lying nature and the religious nature of this false kingdom of Lamb/Jesus/God.”
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Dear Just The Facts, quote “this two horned lamb is referred to as the False prophet,” unquote.
No, the Bible, does no such thing.

Rev 13: 18. “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for IT IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six
The man is Satan, he will be reduced from that of an angel to the rank of a mere man.
Isaiah 14: 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah 14: 16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is THIS THE MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

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JTF quote.
“Revelation is the telling of the kingdoms that would rule during the 2000 years. We are told in Daniel and Rev that this Kingdom will rule for 1260 years after the deadly wound. When the 1260 years are over we will have fulfillment of the Promise to the House of Joseph/ Israel This is referred to as the Time of “The power of the Holy People”
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Again Just The Facts, you are placing ‘1260 years’ as if it were suggested by the Bible, which it is not.
Dear Just The Facts, I have shown you, clear Bible, verses where changing ‘days into years’ cannot be done, yet you still cultivate this erroneous idea without any biblical backup in support of it.
The Bible, should NEVER EVER take second place from that of the teaching of men.
So I will repeat to you again the following.
Quote.
“Dear Just The Facts, let me deal with ‘forced applications.’
When Numbers 14: 34, along with Ezekiel 4: 6. are used to somehow try and justify ‘a day as meaning a year,’ there is a glaring problem when we actually read what the Bible says.
In fact Numbers 14: 34, and Ezekiel 4: 6, are opposites.”

“Numbers 14: 34. FORTY DAYS OF SIN, FORTY YEARS OF PUNISHMENT.”
“Numbers 14: 34. “After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even FORTY DAYS, EACH DAY FOR A YEAR, shall ye bear your iniquities, FORTY YEARS, and ye shall know my breach of promise.”

“Ezekiel 4: 6. FORTY YEARS OF SIN, FORTY DAYS OF PUNISHMENT.”
“Ezekiel 4: 6. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt BEAR THE INIQUITY of the house of Judah FORTY DAYS: I HAVE APPOINTED THEE EACH DAY FOR A YEAR.”

“They proclaim contradictory terms if used outside their specific intent.”
“Therefore it is unsound to apply one or the other of these verses as a generalisation to any other unrelated biblical verses. Numbers 14: 34. and Ezekiel 4: 1 – 8.”
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JTF quote.
“[7] The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven; and I heard him swear by him who lives for ever that it would be for a time, two times, and half a time; and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be accomplished.”

”After this Happens we will see the Final Version of the Holy Roman Empire …………Who is the King of the North……………….Who will build his Palace at Jerusalem …….who will sit in that temple and show himself as God.”
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Dear Just The Facts, you are making assumptions which are not said in the Bible.
In fact the Bible, identifies the person that sits in the Temple mount as Satan.
Isaiah 14: 11. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING! how art thou CUT DOWN TO THE GROUND, which didst weaken the nations! 13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL SIT UPON THE MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH: 14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16. THEY THAT SEE THEE shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is THIS THE MAN that made the EARTH TO TREMBLE, that did SHAKE KINGDOMS; 17That made the WORLD AS A WILDERNESS, and DESTROYED THE CITIES thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

Satan, is reduced to the status of man and the number of a man.
Where is this place, that is called the mount at the sides of the North?

Psalms 48: 1. Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised IN THE CITY OF OUR GOD, in THE MOUNTAIN OF HIS HOLINESS. 2. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is MOUNT ZION, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Now I have shown you who it is that sits in the mount. Now let’s see the one that builds the Temple.
Dan 11: 45. And he shall PLANT THE TABERNACLES OF HIS PALACE between the seas IN THE GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
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JTF quote.
You will Notice in Daniel that the final King of the North /AC Moves into the holy land from the North.

40: And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41: He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown:

The king of the North is the revised Roman Empire/ Holy Roman Empire.
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Dear Just The Facts you are getting confused with the quote, “Roman Empire/ Holy Roman Empire.” Unquote, and Lucifer. It is Lucifer that sits in the mount.
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JTF quote.
Your claim that Rome does not exist is just nonsense Rome is all around us …it is in our Law our culture our architecture our art. Rome received a deadly head wound in 476 AD then came back as the Holy Roman Empire……………..The Kingdom of God on Earth………………..and the Whole World followed after this Lie. That is except the King of the South and the kings of the East.
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Dear Brother Just The Facts, your following quote is mere speculative at best. Quote. “Rome received a deadly head wound in 476 AD then came back as the Holy Roman Empire” unquote. That is not said in the Bible.
I don’t get into philosophical discussions, however Latin and Greek, are also of great influence within our modern civilisation and they like Rome, are no longer empires
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JTF quote.
Sorry countdown you are just wrong about this the prophets did fill in the 2,000 years in very great Detail.
Look at Daniel 11: verse
38He shall honour the god of fortresses instead of these a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honour with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He shall deal with the strongest fortress by the help of a foreign god; those who acknowledge him he shall magnify with honour. He shall make them rulers over many and shall divide the land for a prize.
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Sorry Just The Facts, you should have looked at verse 40 to show what time this is to occur.
Daniel 11: 40. AND AT THE TIME OF THE END shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
It is the Prophet Daniel, when speaking of his visions states ‘BUT THE TIME APPOINTED WAS LONG so Daniel, would not agree with you and you don’t seem to agree with him.
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JTF quote.
“Sorry countdown you are just wrong about this the prophets did fill in the 2,000 years in very great Detail.”
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They did not fill in 2000 years, because they knew that the chezev was for ‘the time of the end.’
Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, BUT THE TIME APPOINTED LONG: and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.
Recalling back to Daniel 9: 27, and even further back, to Chapters 7 and 8, it is not difficult to see to what the Prophet Daniel, was referring to.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,”
“BUT THE TIME APPOINTED LONG:”
“AND HE UNDERSTOOD THE THING,”
“AND HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV/VISION.”

“Dan 8: 26. And the VISION of the evening and the morning which was told TRUE: wherefore shut thou up the vision; FOR IT shall be FOR MANY DAYS.”

“Daniel, wrote it all down, and just like Jeremiah’s chezev writings of the seventy years of captivity, was revealed to Daniel, through him studying it.”
“So Daniel’s understanding of the chezev came to him suddenly in the same manner, by him studying his written words from the angel.”
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,” “BUT THE TIME APPOINTED LONG:”

“Let’s back track a bit.
Dan 8: 27. And I Daniel fainted, and was sick days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was ASTONISHED at the CHEZEV, BUT NONE UNDERSTOOD IT.”

“Now ‘he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,’ WAR!”
“AND HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.”

“Once he had some idea of the chezev, the realisation of the WAR, for his people must have been a shock. Understanding how long it was to be before it was to occur at THE TIME OF THE END.”

“It was the thought of his people being at WAR with the LITTLE HORN that made him ill for three whole weeks.”

“From The Interlinear Translation Bible.”
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev.”

“Now please remember Daniel 7: 21, 25. Daniel 8: 24, 26, and Daniel 10: 1 at the beginning of this study abbreviated. That is, so far as w e have studied, where the war is mentioned and ties the chapters within the chezev together as a progression that ‘concerns the time of the end,’ as Gabriel, indicates from Dan 7 right through to Dan 12.”
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JTF quote.
“The change in the King of the North(Rome) comes with Constantine who "converts" to the Christian Faith in 312AD after having a vision where he claimed Jesus told him that if he attacked Rome with the help of the Christian God he would win the battle. Over the next few years he becomes sole Emperor and builds massive Churches Filled with Gold an Jewels.The Church declares him to be the greatest man since Christ. Some Bishops State that he will rule in heaven with Jesus. He elevates the status of Bishops and declares the Bishops to be "God's on Earth" Removes them from the burden of paying Taxes. He makes the Bishops rulers over the Empire by agreeing to do what ever the majority of Bishops pass as Cannons. He gives away literally hundreds of thousand of acres of Imperial land to the Church.
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Dear Just The Facts, you are way off the time frame and identification of those involved.
You jump from past to future without any Bible, backup whatsoever. You failed to identify Satan, as the culprit and because you have been told that it is a church, you have been attacking that church without any biblical backup. Also, may I remind you that protestants are not without guilt when it comes to murdering members of ‘the church of Rome.’
It is not Rome that rides the beast as we have seen it is Jerusalem/Israel as depicted by Ezekiel chapter 16.
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JTF quote.
“This new Conquering religion (that is a religion that is spread through war and violence and murder of those who do not agree) of the Kings of the North (Holy Roman Empire) will last until Christ second coming it will trample the Great Tribulation “Saints and set up the Final abomination (that is it willbuild a temple were it ought not to be) on the Temple Mount. The AC will sit in that Temple and show himself as god.
You see the Devil came to Jesus and said”

”8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.”

“Jesus said go away.”

”Centuries later as the church suffered under the torture and murder of the Roman persecutions as it cried in pain Satan came again offerring control of the kingdom of the Devil (ie Rome) and we all know what happened next.”
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Sorry Just The Facts, you accuse the wrong people. As I said The Bible, is a Jewish book not a Gentile one.
It is about them and when Gentile, countries are associated with Israel, past and future, they are mentioned only on that basis.

Dan 23: 37. O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, thou that KILLEST THE PROPHETS, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have GATHERED THY CHILDREN together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Ezekiel 16: 1. Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2. Son of man, CAUSE JERUSALEM TO KNOW HER ABOMINATIONS,
Ezekiel 16: 8. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and ENTERED INTO A COVENANT WITH THEE, saith the Lord GOD, and THOU BECOMEST MINE.

That was nothing to do with the Roman empire, or the so called “holy Roman empire.”

Ezekiel 16: 15. But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and PLAYEDST THE HARLOT because of thy renown, and pouredst out THY FORNICATION on every one that passed by; his it was.
Ezekiel 16: 11. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I PUT BRACELETS upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. 12. And I put a JEWEL ON THY FORHEAD, and EARINGS in thine ears, and a beautiful CROWN upon thine head.
13. Thus wast thou DECKED with GOLD and SILVER; and thy raiment was of fine LINEN, and SILK, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast EXCEEDING BEATIFUL, and THOU DIDST PROSPER INTO A KINGDOM.

Ezekiel 16: 20. Moreover thou hast TAKEN THY SONS AND THY DAUGHTERS, whom thou hast BORNE UNTO ME, and these hast thou SACRIFICED unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy WHOREDOMS A SMALL MATTER,
21. That thou hast SLAIN THY CHILDREN, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

Ezekiel 16: 37. Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
Ezekiel 16: 41. And they shall BURN THY HOUSES with FIRE, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the HARLOT, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
Please read all of Ezekiel 16.
Rev 17: 16. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, THESE SHALL HATE THE harlot, and shall make her desolate and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN HER WITH FIRE. 17. For GOD HATH PUT IN THEIR HEARTS TO FULFILL HIS WILL, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the WOMAN which thou sawest IS THAT GREAT CITY, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

It is a custom of the Jews, to put DUST ON THEIR HEADS WHEN IN DEEP ANGUISH.
There is no way known that they would do this if Rome burned.
Rev 18: 18. And CRIED WHEN THEY SAW THE SMOKE OF HER BURNING, saying, What city is like unto THIS GREAT CITY! 19. And they CAST DUST ON THEIR HEADS, and CRIED, WEEPING AND WAILING, saying, Alas, alas, THAT GREAT CITY, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is SHE IS MADE DESOLATE. 20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS; for GOD HATH EVENGED YPU ON HER.
21. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence SHALL THAT GREAT CITY BABYLON be thrown down, and shall be FOUND NO MORE at all.
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Maranatha.

Prophecy Countdown.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

“Daniel’s pages are slowly turning.”

May I preamble just for a moment.
This study of Daniel, and Revelation, will not be short. I will use the Bible, for verification in detail particularly when we get to Daniel 7 and 8 where things will start to appear familiar with the very news items that we read daily.

Daniel, was very young when Israel was led into captivity and was old when he saw the fulfilment of the seventy years span of captivity mentioned by the Prophet Jeremiah, fulfilled whereupon his people were set free to return home. He saw it coming because he was studying Jeremiah, and as a result could see and understand!

Right on time Cyrus, tuned up, to eventually start the process of freeing Israel, enabling them to return to their homeland. Darius, Xerxes, Artaxerxes, were powerful kings during this historic event and had some bearing in this matter.
As we read through Daniel’s visions we are going to slide down the TIME statue of empires depicted by various metals from the head to our time.
The time marker, will eventually slide down to reach the ‘feet of iron and clay’ where God, will set up His kingdom.

So with that in mind I will have to start at the beginning of Daniel. This is important so that I can refer back and fourth for verification purposes.

As we progress, various Prophets as well as Daniel, will be called upon to enlighten us upon the motives of those involved with’ the time of the end’ events from the Old and New Testaments.
When we start dealing with prophecy what should be expected?

"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies of the Bible, and insist on their literal interpretation in the midst of much clamour and opposition."
Sir Isaac Newton 1643-1727

Concerning the vision of Daniel, there are clear geographical locations as to where certain prophetic events, at the “time of the end” are to take place and where the intensity of these events will increase within the near future within limited SET TIMES.
Daniel, and Revelation, pinpoint the time limitations placed by God, on certain prophetic events and upon the characters involved in carrying out those tasks.
Periods of ‘42 months,’ ‘time times and a half time,’ ‘five months,’ ‘three and a half years,’ ‘1260 days,’ ‘1290 days,’ ‘1335 days’ and ‘2300 ereb boqer’ and the ‘seventy weeks’ the ‘62 weeks,’ ‘seven weeks,’ ‘one week,’ the ‘midst of the week,’ and ‘3 ½ days’ are all there for very sound reason.
There is a ‘season and time,’ at the end of which the ‘millennium,’ ‘thousand years,’ starts until the second resurrection of damnation for Satan, and his followers, finally their destruction by fire then the destruction of earth ushering in a new Earth and eternity.

As I said earlier, these periods are also mentioned by John recorded and known to us as ‘The book of Revelation,’ whilst he was in the island prison of Patmos,
Jesus, gave John the vision which included the time of the millennium.
John, like Daniel, were elderly gentlemen at the times of their own visions, and both now sleep.
For those that have studied Daniel, these TIME durations and LOCATIONS and the characters will seem familiar but for those bewildered by them, I say don’t worry, we will sort them out.
Daniel’s prophetic visions were not to be understood until ‘the time of the end’ period.

These mentioned periods fit into the six and a bit years concerning the 2300 evening/ereb, morning/boqer.
The visions were upsetting for Daniel, because the angel Gabriel, unintentionally frightened Daniel, just by advancing towards him and standing really closely to make the point of the TIME concerning the vision’s fulfilment. ‘Understand o son of man, the vision concerns the time of the end.’

In Revelation, the same events and characters are mentioned also in Math 24: Mark 13: and Luke 21 and using other Prophets we can span out the times, locations, and powers involved.

I would also like to explain His judgement, the Judgment of the Lamb, who is ‘found worthy’ by the very creatures He created, and I have Bible, to prove that point absolutely.

We will examine the plagues and how miracles performed by evil angels and their false religious teachings will delude many into a lethargic sense of security when they shall say ‘peace,’ sudden destruction will occur.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hicountdown.

What is said by Daniel is Four kingdoms would rule the world and that in the last days of the fourth Kingdom the kingdom of God would be set up.


We are also Told Babylon is the first of these kingdoms. We know Rome was the Fourth.

Of Course I understand that you believe Daniel was not told the truth. And that after the Fourth Kingdom (Rome) fell there were dozens of other kingdoms and then at the end four other Kingdoms that rise up.

You are totally denying the Truth of Daniel 2 in favour of your man made doctrine that says there are other kingdoms after Rome.

There is Not other kingdoms only other versions of Rome. IE THE healed Beast

The beast of Rev 13 is Rome. Revelation makes this crystal clear.

[17] Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea. [1] And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.

As anyone can plainly see the Devil uses this beast to hunt down Christianity after it destroys Jerusalem in a Flood. Just as Daniel says Jerusalem’s end would come

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The First beast of Rev 13 is Rome the deadly head wound is the Fall of that Kingdom in 476AD. The Wound heals and the kingdom comes back as the Holy roman Empire. Of course you are free to make up whatever Doctrine you want. You do not have to trust the plain words of God in Daniel 2:

[37] You, O king, the king of kings, …………………………. you are the head of gold. ……………………………….[40] And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these. [41] And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay. [44] And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever; [45] just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."

You are free to believe what ever you want I will trust the very plain words of God in Daniel 2:

ALL OTHER DREAMS AND PROPHECY fit within the four Kingdoms described in Daniel 2: All other beasts in Daniel and revelation fit within these four Kingdoms.

It really is that Simple It is true and can be trusted.

 

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Hello Just The Facts.
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JFT quote.
“What is said by Daniel is Four kingdoms would rule the world and that in the last days Kingdom or the fourth Kingdom the kingdom of God would be set up.”
“And that after the Fourth Kingdom (Rome) fell there were dozens of other kingdoms and then at the end four other Kingdoms that rise up.”
“You are totally denying the Truth of Daniel 2 in favour of your man made doctrine that says there are other kingdoms after Rome.”

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Dear Just The Facts,
let’s use the following Bible, verse of Daniel 2: 32 in 4 sections as an example to make my point.
Daniel 2: 32. {“This image’s head of fine gold,}
{his breast and his arms of silver,}
{his belly and his thighs of brass,/}
{ 33. legs of iron,}
{ his feet part of iron and part of clay.”}

Lets count the kingdoms using Daniel’s words.
Part of Dan 2: 32. “THIS IMAGE’S HEAD OF GOLD,”
That is ONE. The Babylonian empire rises 608 BC.
Then fades into history 539 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 32. “ HIS BREAST AND HIS ARMS OF SILVER,”
That is TWO. The Medo/Persian empire rises. 539 BC.
Then fades into history. 331 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 32. “HIS BELLY AND HIS THIGHS OF BRASS,”
That is THREE. The Greek empire rises. 331BC.
Then fades into history. 146 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 33. “HIS LEGS OF IRON,”
That is FOUR. Then the Roman empire rises. 146 BC.
Then fades into history. 476 AD.

Daniel’s interpretation.
Daniel 2: 38. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art THIS HEAD OF GOLD.

Daniel 2: 39. And after thee shall ARISE ANOTHER KINGDOM INFERIOR TO THEE, and ANOTHER THIRD KINGDOM OF BRASS, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Daniel 2: 40. And THE FOURTH KINGDOM shall be STRONG AS IRON: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
The above is the strongest of metals, iron.
The Prophet Daniel, makes no connection from ‘THE FOURTH KINGDOM strong as IRON.’ to that of IRON and CLAY which is a different kingdom.

Daniel 2: 41. And whereas thou sawest the FEET AND TOES, PART OF POTTERS CLAY, and PART IRON, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Daniel 2: 42. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PARTLY STRONG, and PARTLY BROKEN.

Daniel 2: 43. And whereas THOU SAWEST IRON MIXED WITH MIRY CLAY, THEY SHALL MINGLE THEMSELVES with the seed of men: but THEY SHALL NOT CLEAVE ONE TO ANOTHER, even AS IRON IS NOT MIXED WITH CLAY.

It is, “IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS.” when God, sets up the last everlasting kingdom.
Daniel 2: 44. AND IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and CONSUME ALL THESE KINGDOMS, and it shall stand for ever.

Daniel 2: 45. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the INTERPRETATION THEREOF SURE.

Daniel, has said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the past empires having anything to do with the kingdom of ‘iron and miry clay’ or anything about the church of Rome.

Part of Dan 2: 33. “HIS FEET PART OF IRON AND PART OF CLAY.”
These kings are around together, as the next verse makes clear.
Daniel 2: 44. And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP HIS KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
There is a condition applied to Daniel’s visions and it is the same that’s applied to that of the king’s.
The king DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE CHEZEV and neither will Daniel, fully that is.
The chezev is for ‘the time of the end’ generation and is sealed from understanding until that time.
Dan 12: 9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for THE WORDS are CLOSED UP SEALED TILL THE TIME OF THE END.

Daniel 7: 3. And four great beasts came up from the sea,
diverse one from another
We are still counting the powers that rise.

That is FIVE. First beast rises. The LION. Daniel 7: 4.

That is SIX. Second beast rises. The BEAR. Daniel 7: 5.

That is SEVEN. Third beast rises. The LEOPARD Daniel 7: 6.

That is EIGHT. The fourth beast rises. The FOURTH BEAST
MOST TERRIBLE.

This is NINE. God, ushers in HIS EVRLASTING KINGDOM.
That is nine Just The Facts, and certainly not the exaggerated ‘dozens’ that you falsely attribute to me. Mind you there are lots of kingdoms on this old planet.
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JTF quote.
“Of Course I understand that you believe Daniel was not told the truth.”
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Dear Brother just The Facts, you understand wrongly.
Daniel, was told the TRUTH by a servant of God, the angel Gabriel.

Also it’s not important, as to what you think ‘I believe’, Brother Just The Facts.
It is the biblical issues that count here in this discussion, and nothing else.
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JTF quote.
There is Not other kingdoms on other versions of Rome. IE THE healed Beast
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There are more kingdoms involved. This is stated clearly in the Bible, verses quoted above.

You should recognise that there are NO biblical verses that link the LION with BABYLON. Gold.
Or the BEAR with the MEDO/PERSIANS. Silver.
Or the LEOPARD with the GREEKS. Brass.
Or the FOURTH DIVIDED KINGDOM OF IRON and CLAY
with the Iron kingdom at the ‘legs of iron’ period by Daniel, or the angel Gabriel in Dan 2: Verses 40, 41.

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JTF quote.
“The beast of Rev 13 is Rome.”
“Revelation makes this crystal clear.”
[17] Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea. [1] And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.
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Again you make unbiblical assumptions by linking the beast with Rome, without any Bible, backup whatsoever and with that preconceived idea you refer to Rev 17 as if it were proof of something?
Let’s deal with the dragon firstly.
The Dragon is cast out of Heaven and is in fact Satan, and with him his angels.

 

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Rev 12: 3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red DRAGON, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And HIS TAIL DREW THE THIRD PART OF THE STARS OF HEAVEN, and DID CAST THEM TO THE EARTH: and THE DRAGON STOOD BEFORE THE WOMAN which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12: 7. And THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN: MICHAEL and his angels FOUGHT AGAINST THE DRAGON; and the DRAGON FOUGHT AND HIS ANGELS,
8. AND PRVAILED NOT; neither was THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN.
9. “And THE GREAT RED DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, and SATAN, which deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE OF EARTH, and HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM.”
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Just The Facts, quote.

“The First beast of Rev 13 is Rome the deadly head wound is the Fall of that Kingdom in 476AD. The Wound heals and the kingdom comes back as the Holy roman Empire. Of course you are free to make up whatever Doctrine you want. You do not have to trust the plain words of God in Daniel 2:”
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No, you are making assumptions Just The Facts, Revelation13 does NOT SAY quote. “The First beast of Rev 13 is Rome the deadly head wound is the Fall of that Kingdom in 476AD.” unquote.

Gen 3 16. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Here is ‘the dragon’ Satan, again working with the beast.
Rev 13: 4. And they worshipped THE DRAGON which gave power unto the beast: and THEY WORSHIPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM?

Rev 13: 4. And there was given unto HIM A MOUTH SPEAKING great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS.
The Bible, states‘42 months’ it cannot be changed.
Therefore stating ‘476AD’ will not fit the prophetic requirements of Revelation 13: 4.

This is much, much bigger than Rome, this is about rebellion, and WAR that starts in Heaven and will end on Earth.
Rev 13: 14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which HAD A WOUND BY THE SWORD, and did live.

Rev 13: 15. And HE HAD POWER TO GIVE LIFE UNTO THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST, THAT THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST SHOULD SPEAK, and cause that as many as would not WORSHIP THE IMAGE of the beast should be killed.
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JTF quotes Daniel 2: 37, 40, 41, 44, 45.
JTF quote.
“You are free to believe what ever you want I will trust the very plain words of God in Daniel 2:”
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These words QUOTE: “The First beast of Rev 13 is Rome the deadly head wound is the Fall of that Kingdom in 476AD.” UNQUOTE.
Those words are not in the Bible!
Why should I trust words that are not biblical, yet you say you quote; “trust the very plain words of God in Daniel 2:” unquote.

Daniel 2: 7: and onwards gives the detail of events at the ‘time of the end,’ where the LION, 1. BEAR,2. LEOPARD 3. powers join with the Beast with the mortal wound to make the 4th BEAST POWER until GOD, sets up His kingdom at the time of the feet of IRON and CLAY!

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JTF quote.
“ALL OTHER DREAMS AND PROPHECY fit within the four Kingdoms described in Daniel 2: All other beasts in Daniel and revelation fit within these four Kingdoms.”
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Dear Just The Facts, Daniel 7 makes it clear that there are more powers to rise at the ‘time of the end’ during the period of ‘iron and clay feet.’

Daniel 2: 32. “This image’s head of fine gold,/ his breast and his arms of silver,/ his belly and his thighs of brass,/ 33. legs of iron,/ his feet part of iron and part of clay.”
Lets count the kingdoms again.
Part of Dan 2: 32. “This image’s head of fine gold,”
Kingdom ONE. The Babylonian empire rises 608 BC.
Then fades into history. 539 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 32. “ his breast and his arms of silver,”
Kingdom TWO. The Medo/Persian empire rises. 539 BC.
Then fades into history. 331 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 32. “his belly and his thighs of brass,”
Kingdom THREE. The Greek empire rises. 331BC.
Then fades into history. 146 BC.

Part of Dan 2: 33. “His legs of iron,”
Kingdom FOUR. Then the Roman empire rises. 146 BC.
Then fades into history. 476 AD.


Part of Dan 2: 33. “his feet part of iron and part of clay.”

Daniel 2: 44. And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP HIS KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Daniel 7: 3. And four great beasts came up from the sea,
diverse one from another

Kingdom FIVE. First beast rises. The LION. Daniel 7: 4.

Kingdom SIX. Second beast rises. The BEAR. Daniel 7: 5.

Kingdom SEVEN. Third beast rises. The LEOPARD Daniel 7: 6.

Kingdom EIGHT. The fourth beast rises. The FOURTH BEAST MOST TERRIBLE.

Kingdom NINE. God, ushers in HIS EVRLASTING KINGDOM.
That is nine Just The Facts, and certainly not the exaggerated ‘dozens’ that you falsely attribute to me.
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JTF quote.
“It really is that Simple It is true and can be trusted.”
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I agree with you Just The Facts, that the Bible, ‘is true and can be trusted’ but it is not ‘simple’ it is very profound.

My kindest regards.

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There are some that think that ‘if it is a miracle performed then it must be from God.’ I watch TV and have seen paintings and statues bleeding from the eyes and reports of ‘mother Mary’ supposedly appearing.
I’m not surprised at that at all, it’s hideous to me.
Are these the beginnings of the ‘apostasy,’ the falling away period, preparing the way for the counterfeit to show up?
2 Corinthians 11: 14, And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Jesus, said watch and pray.
Luke 21:36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
However severe, God’s people think the tribulation period will be for them.
The plagues of God, are going to be worse for the wicked from the 7 bowls of the wrath of God, and the seven trumpets and three woes period and then they will face Armageddon.
There are a few that can’t face the eschatological ‘TIME OF THE END’ study of prophecy.
I understand that position.

This soon to arrive period will lead us to Jesus, and we will be in the same position as Israel, in the wilderness, we may have to rely on angels with manner and water.
Be glad brothers and sisters, the start and end of the 2300 evening and morning period will usher in the Kingdom of God, and all sin will fade into oblivion never ever to occur again.
The question is when does the 2300 evening and morning period start?
We must know the enemy and his plans. Jesus, tells us exactly what he will do and from where he comes and for how long he does certain things before his end, ‘where nobody will help him.’
We will have to rely on Jesus, to lift us up at that seventh trumpet to join in the wedding supper after those last 1335 days for our blessing Dan 12: 12. Rev 19: 1-9.
The apostasy, counterfeit always comes first and that is what Satan, will do.
I would like to explain, using the Bible, how to identify the two witnesses and how the seven trumpet time scale works, along with the three woes and the two witnesses 1260 days period.

We will also look at the bowls of the wrath of God and again join up with Math 24, Mark 13 Luke 21.
Also Identify the countries represented in Daniel 7 and I will NOT CHANGE A WORD IN THE BIBLE.
I want to identify the geographical location of the vision of Daniel 8, and explain how Daniel 8 is the explanation or enlargement of Daniel 7, they are like in kind. The Bible’s words speak for themselves on these matters and you will figure it out for yourselves.

I would like to use the writings of Joel and finally right through to the Armageddon, “end of time” for Satan’s realm.
The imprisonment of Satan for the Millennium.
Finally explain Gog and Magog, identify them and their geographical locations, then heaven and the fulfilment of the promise of eternal life, keeping to the intent of the Bible and NOT changing a single word of the great Bible writers.
Also let me just say this.
The Bible, is not a Gentile book, it is a Jewish book for Jews by Jews and Nebuchadezzar a non Jew had a hand in writing a small portion of Daniel. See Daniel 4:
The Jewish traditions are all there and in those Jewish holidays/holy days there are secrets revealed.
As Gentiles, we are invited in to the same promise of salvation but we are not the 144000. Some Gentiles, like to think they are the ‘remnant’ or ‘chosen’ but that won’t stand up to biblical scrutiny. When they, the Israelites, read the book it is about them and the countries that are involved with Israel, for good or evil, check it out. When we read it is about them. Jesus, was borne Jewish through and through.
Are the pages of Daniel’s prophecies starting to be turned?
I will use each Bible, verse and make comments as we go through and use capitals for emphasis only. I want this be a steady progression right through Daniel.
I don’t want to get bogged down with preterists, which tends to stop a steady study progression.

Daniel 1.
In Daniel 1. We have Daniel as a young man.
In the third year of Jehoiakim King of Judah, the Babylonian King Nebuchadezzar surrounds Jerusalem.
Daniel 1: 1. In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.
In verse 2. God, allows Jehoiakim and some of His treasures from the Temple, to be handed over to king Nebuchadezzar.
Daniel 1: 2. And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.
In verse 3, 4. The King orders his chief court official, Ashpenaz, to bring in some of the brightest and the most physically outstanding young Hebrew men.
The King wanted these young men with a learning aptitude, to serve in the Kings palace.
He was to teach them everything Babylonian, even to the point of changing their names.
Daniel 1: 3,4. And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, and of the king’s seed, and of the princes;
4. Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans

In verse 5. The King assigned them food from his table which was of the best and only the best as far as Babylonian food standards went.
They were to enter the Kings service after three years of training.
Daniel 1:5. And the king appointed them a daily provision of the king’s meat, and of the wine which he drank: so nourishing them three years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king Verse 6. These men, some from Judah, were called, Daniel, Hananiah,
Mishael, and Azariah.
Daniel 1:6. Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah
Verse 7. The chief official gave them new names.
Daniel was called Beltshazzar. Hananiah, was called Shadrach.
Mishael, was called Meshach, and Azariah was called Abednego.

Daniel 1:7. Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego.

Verses 8 – 18. Daniel, was concerned about eating the food that would defile him and the others and spoke to the chief official and suggested that he and the others live off vegetables and fresh water.
Daniel did not eat pork or any unclean meat. See Leviticus 11: 4 to 47.
The official was worried about this, because he thought that if they looked poorly, the King would have his head and that, was a dead to right certainty.

 

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Any rate, the chief relented and for ten days only, they would be allowed to try the diet out, just to see if Daniel, and the others would lose any muscle tone.
However, after ten days they looked better than the others, who had been eating from the Kings table.
The chief was that impressed with the results, he put everybody on the new healthy diet.
Now the hand of God, was in this, in that He gave them a learning ability next to none, but to Daniel, He gave him a gift of the ability to understand visions and dreams of all kinds.
Daniel 1: 8 to 17.
8. But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.
9. Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.

10. And the prince of the eunuchs said unto Daniel, I fear my lord the king, who hath appointed your meat and your drink: for why should he see your faces worse liking than the children which are of your sort? then shall ye make me endanger my head to the king.

11. Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,

12. Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.
13. Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king’s meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.
14. So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

15. And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king’s meat.

16. Thus Melzar took away the portion of their meat, and the wine that they should drink; and gave them pulse.
17. As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.

Verses 18 – 21. “At the appointed time the King spoke to the lads but found Daniel, exceptionally intelligent and intuitive, compared to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, so they all entered the Kings service.”
All of the lads were ten times better than all his enchanters and magicians throughout the whole of his empire!
Daniel 1: 18 to 21.
18. Now at the end of the days that the king had said he should bring them in, then the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar.
18. Now at the end of the days that the king had said he should bring them in, then the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar.
19’ And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king. 20And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

In verse 21 Daniel, remained in captivity, into the first year of king Cyrus, the Mede.
Daniel, was very young when he was taken into captivity from the third year of Jehoiakim, by the Babylonian king Nebuchadezzar.
Just before the end of his people’s captivity, getting close to seventy years, so of course Daniel, had grown old by the time King Cyrus, turned up

Daniel 1: 21. And Daniel continued even unto the first year of king Cyrus.

 

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Greetings.
Daniel 2.
Daniel 2: 1. And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.

King Nebuchadnezzar wanted advice, so he called everyone that he thought would be able to help him with a nagging problem of a recurring dream.
Daniel 2: 2. Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.

Daniel 2: 3. And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.

The group called by the king stood there and said all the necessary niceties and asked the king to tell them the dream and they would interpret it for him.
Daniel 2: 4. Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation.
Unfortunately for them, the king was already in a bad mood because of the dream, it was nagging at him, and yet he kept forgetting it.
When the king mentioned that fact and that they would be cut into pieces, if they did not come up with the interpretation, they knew well and truly that he meant exactly what he said. I guess it was a threat made out of frustration!

Daniel 2: 5. The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill.

However the king getting a little frustrated and desperate for an answer started to get angry. He was intent on getting the right answer and to that affect offered rewards for results.
Daniel 2: 6. But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.
They at this time hadn’t quite got the message and repeated the same question.
Daniel 2: 7. They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it.

The king becoming short tempered, because he knew very well that they were stalling for time, he applied a little pressure, using the threat of death.
With death now looming over them, they heard more jaw dropping bad news concerning the dream!
‘YOU SEE THE THING HAS GONE FROM ME!’
Daniel 2: 8. The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see the thing is gone from me.

Again the king got right to the point, only this time the seriousness of his words were repeated with an accusatory and deadly tone at the group!

Daniel 2: 9. But if ye will not make known unto me the dream, there is but one decree for you: for ye have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak before me, till the time be changed: therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation thereof.

This is where they made a huge mistake. They were dealing with a somewhat brutal king, that had been given a dream by the God of Heaven, that they unfortunately for them, did not know a solitary thing.
They were being squeezed by impossible odds to solve a dream that the dreamer of it could not remember under circumstances created by God, and to make matters even worse, through an angry and deadly king!

They must have been terrified and running on adrenaline.
The implication of their saying, ‘no king, lord, nor ruler, asked such things,’ puts the question into the realms of the fancifully absurd! Which of course did not add to the kings demeanour but made him extremely angry at the implied insult of him being some what illogical.

Daniel 2: 10. The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king’s matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.

Trying to tone down the biggest mistake of their, now possibly shortened lives.
They detail the insult more graphically than before. They didn’t have the answers, so challenged the validity of the question which the king immediately saw as a slur.

Daniel 2: 11. And it is a rare thing that the king requireth, and there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh.

The king was in a bad mood to start with because of his inability of not being able to recall the nagging dream, but it was nothing to what he felt now!
He went into a rage and with murderous intent, gave the order.
Daniel 2: 12. For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.

I will leave it there for a little while, should you have any questions please feel free to ask.

My kindest regards

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Hi Countdown

You are creating a kingdom past the Fourth that does not exist in the text.

40: And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41: And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

It is very clear that the partly clay partly iron is a part of the fourth kingdom.

Thou art this head of gold.
39: And after thee shall arise another kingdom
and another third kingdom of brass,
40: And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron:

Each time it is a NEW kingdom it says so. The text does not separate the Legs of Iron and the feet partially of iron it describes them as the Same Kingdom.

You have created another Kingdom where none exists in the text.

You can post 50 posts two miles long it does not matter you are adding to the words here. There is nothing after the fourth kingdom It the later days of the fourth kingdom the kingdom of God will be set up.

 

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”You are creating a kingdom past the Fourth that does not exist in the text.”
“Each time it is a NEW kingdom it says so.” Unquote.
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It is the Bible, that mentions another kingdom it the ‘KINGDOM DIVIDED, made up of IRON and POTTER’S CLAY.’
However If you choose to reject that biblical fact, that is up to you.

It must seem frustrating for you that you are unable to produce one single Bible, verse that mentions the ‘church of Rome,’ supposedly being an extension of the IRON kingdom at the legs of iron as somehow being the’ kingdom divided made of iron and potter’s clay.’
Sorry, but your supposition is just not stated in the Bible, Just The Facts and is left wanting.

It is upon such an unsound foundation that renders those indoctrinated with them unable to understand the Bible’s intent of two separate 4th kingdoms occurring at different times or accepting clear limiting biblical TIME durations concerned with prophetic events, which they feel compelled in desperation to change, to try making the BIBLE, fit THEIR theories.
By doing this they place the Bible, in a secondary position to that of a common theory.
Only preconceived ideas, cause a ‘forced reading’ of scripture and as a result blinds the person to ‘what sayeth the Bible,’ within clear biblical prophetic timed events.
To try and prove their point they have to change the words in the book and biblical time durations against those clearly stipulated by the Bible, in absolute breach of Rev 22: 18, 19, and to try and make the BIBLE, fit their theory, instead of reading what sayeth the Bible, and hang the consequences facing them.
Changes such as ‘days into years’ makes such distortion of certain events.
I would ask any reader, Is it worth it, just to try and push unbiblical theories?

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“The text does not separate the Legs of Iron and the feet partially of iron it describes them as the Same Kingdom.” “You have created another Kingdom where none exists in the text.” Unquote.
Dan 2: 40. “And THE FOURTH KINGDOM SHALL BE STRONG AS IRON: forasmuch as IRON breaketh in pieces and SUBDUETH ALL THINGS: and as IRON BREAKETH ALL THESE, shall it break in pieces and bruise.”
“It is very clear that the partly clay partly iron is a part of the fourth kingdom.”
”You are ignoring what is said they both are the fourth kingdom on Earth The both are strong as iron and the Both break into pieces the Other Kingdoms before them.” Unquote.

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Dear Just The Facts, you have quoted Dan 2: 40 which speaks ONLY of THE 4th KINGDOM OF IRON!
Yet it seems in desperation you erroneously apply that verse to THE DIVIDED KINGDOM OF IRON AND POTTER’S CLAY at the FEET of the statue because you join them together, however unfortunately for you the Bible, does NOT.
So you have no biblical case to put forward about me, ‘ignoring what is said,’ you are making assumptions based on the 4th kingdom of iron in Dan 2: 40 from that of the 4th ‘kingdom divided’ which rises at the time of three beast kingdoms in Dan 7: 4, 5, and 6. Dan 7: 7 ‘After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible,’

The 4th beast has to be named 4th after the other three. The lion, bear, and leopard and fourth beast kingdoms are modern powers NOT past empires and are NOT a continuations of the iron kingdom. The Bible, does not support such a theory.
We had the golden head, the silver chest and arms, the brass thighs, the iron legs and then at the feet of iron and of potter’s clay we are told of another ‘kingdom divided.’

It is Daniel 2: 40 that describes the 4th kingdom of pure IRON which denotes its strength.
Dan 2: 40.And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Verse 41 speaks of another kingdom it says a ‘divided kingdom’ a kingdom of ‘iron and potter’s clay.’ Which is different from that of the description of Dan 2: 40.

There is no link made by verse 40 or any other Bible, verse between the two different kingdoms.
When the angel gets to the feet, there is a detailed description of ANOTHER ‘kingdom divided made of part iron and part potter’s clay.’
Two materials denoting ‘strength’ and ‘division’ and NOTHING MORE.

Daniel 2: 41. And whereas thou sawest the TOES, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, THE KINGDOM SHALL BE DIVIDED; but there shall be in it of THE STRENGTH OF IRON, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Daniel 2: 42. . And as the toes of the feet part of IRON, and part of CLAY, so THE KINGDOM shall be PARTLY STRONG, and PARTLY BROKEN.

Dear Just The Facts, the IRON DENOTES STRENGTH, the CLAY DENOTES A DIVISION i.e. WEAKNESS. The iron means strength and nothing more.
Daniel 2: 43. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Dan 2: 44. And IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and CONSUME ALL THESE KINGDOMS, and it shall stand for ever.”

Unfortunately Just The Facts, you make the mistake with Dan 7: 7 and wrongly apply that verse to the 4th KINGDOM OF IRON at the legs of iron, which is simply an application without any biblical foundation whatsoever.
That is NOT the intent of that verse as we shall see.
Verse 7. speaks of the ‘KINGDOM DIVIDED.’
Daniel 7: 1. In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

Daniel 7: 2. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

The Bible, makes no link between these four beasts to any past empires if there were a link the Bible, would make that clear, but it does not even suggest it! The only link is the fact that the three prominent kingdoms are around at the SAME TIME eventually working in support of the 4th beast power.

Daniel 7: 3. And FOUR GREAT BEASTS CAME UP from the sea, diverse one from another.
So we have ‘FOUR GREAT BEASTS came up,’ that is simple and straight forward to understand, ‘FOUR CAME UP.’

These are the prominent powers/kingdoms that rise up and eventually support the ‘divided kingdom of iron and potter’s clay’ which must be at the ‘feet of iron’ where some are strong, as IRON and where some are weak as ‘POTTER’S CLAY.
Some of these leading nations are recognizable today.
They will all be there at the SAME TIME working together supporting the beast with the mortal wound, see verse 12 where THAT FACT IS CONFIRMED as they will ALL BE WAITING AROUND AT THE SAME TIME , immediately after the tribulation period, at trumpet seven.

Now we have the description, firstly of the LION, and what happens to him before the description of the BEAR, who flexes his claws so to speak and on to the next which is the LEOPARD, then with these three cooperating TOGETHER by SUPPORTING the FOURTH KINGDOM. The beast with the mortal wound which is most terrible, IS GIVEN POWER ‘FOR FORTY TWO MONTHS.’
So your time span is way off that of the BIBLE’S.
It is called the fourth BEAST kingdom because it follows the lion one, bear two, and leopard three.
This problem you have Just The Facts with others of like mind have is with your suggestion of a long period of the IRON kingdom being also the ‘divided kingdom of iron and potter’s clay, somehow lasting for so long will NOT stand when reading the Bible, without you having to CHANGE the 42 months into long periods of years and that has been proved inconsistent when you tried to use Ezekiel 4: 1 to 8. and Numbers 14: 34 outside those specific circumstances.

 

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Should there be any Brothers or Sisters reading this, I will explain the about the lion’s wings when I get to Daniel 7 later.
We now get a better idea as to the lead up and of the makeup of the fourth kingdom of iron and of potter’s clay in greater detail.
Daniel 7: 4. The first was like a LION, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till THE WINGS thereof were PLUCKED, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made STAND upon the feet AS A MAN, and a MAN’S HEART was given to it.
Daniel 7: 5. And behold ANOTHER BEAST, a SECOND, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, ARISE, DEVOUR MUCH FLESH.

Daniel 7: 6. After this I beheld, and lo ANOTHER, like a LEOPARD, which had upon the back of it FOUR WINGS of a fowl; the beast had also FOUR HEADS; and DOMINION WAS GIVEN TO IT.

As I have said. The Bible, does not mention these three above beasts as having anything TO DO WITH PAST EMPIRES. If that were the case the Bible, would have said so, but IT DOES NOT, besides they are all there together, when we read Dan 7: 12.

Also NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THE CHURCH OF ROME in the Bible, that idea is from you Just The Facts, and on that unsound basis, you seem unable to see the BIBLE’S recognition of the ‘kingdom divided ‘as being another kingdom which is described below.
Also if you place the 4th beast ‘dreadful and terrible’ as coming from the Roman empire, where on Earth do you place the LION, BEAR and LEOPARD kingdoms?
They rise but outlive the fourth beast by a season and time according to Daniel 7: 11, how do you explain that?
Daniel 7: 7. After this I SAW IN THE NIGHT VISIONS, and behold a FOURTH BEAST, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with THE FEET OF IT: and it was DIVERS FROM ALL THE BESTS BEFORE IT; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7: 8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another LITTLE HORN, before whom there were THREE OF THE FIRST horns PLUCKED up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like THE EYES OF A MAN, and a mouth speaking great things.

These three beasts support the fourth beast kingdom that is diverse, dreadful and is terrible and is lead by a beast with a mortal wound which you falsely surmise as being the ‘church of Rome’ which again is NOT supported by the Bible.
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No I am not ignoring anything Just The Facts, it is you that ignores ‘the 4th divided kingdom of iron and potter’s clay by force reading it as somehow being part or an extension of the ‘4th kingdom of iron.’
You have not been able to back up with any Bible, verses because it is not stated by the Bible!
THREE rise up i.e. One, LION. Two, BEAR. Three LEOPARD, which support the 4th BEAST kingdom which is NOT the 4th IRON kingdom at the legs of iron but is the divided kingdom at the feet of IRON, denoting strength and potter’s clay denoting division/weakness.
How you can ignore these biblical facts for a man made teaching that ignores a ‘divided kingdom’ at the feet of iron and potter’s clay, at ‘the time of the end’ from that of a fourth historic kingdom following one GOLD, two SILVER, three BRASS would be absolutely bewildering to any serious Bible, student.
The three beasts are ALL TOGETHER waiting a season and time after the fourth beast with the mortal wound is killed in Dan 2: 12.
The beast with the mortal wound rises AFTER the lion, bear and leopard and is killed and HIS BODY is destroyed in {Dan 7: 11.} Which brings the 4th beast power to an end, the 4th beast dies BEFORE the lion, bear, and leopard kingdoms, which are all left waiting around TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. See verse Dan 7: 12.

The beast has a BODY which is WOUNDED, and his BODY is DESTROYED BY FIRE, IT SPEAKS, of the BEAST that PERFORMS MIRACLES, THE BEAST WAS SLAIN.
The beast is a living being ipso facto. Certainly not a church!

Daniel 7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even TILL THE BEAST WAS SLAIN, and HIS BODY destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Now for the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD kingdoms.
DAN 7: 12. As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their DOMINION TAKEN AWAY: yet their lives were PROLONGED for a season and time.

Dear Just The Facts, the fourth IRON KINGDOM AT THE LEGS OF IRON, is not represented by Dan 7: 7. which speaks of ‘The 4TH BEAST KINGDOM, which IS DIVIDED.’
IRON/strength and POTTER’S CLAY/weakness, is the LAST earthly 4th BEAST kingdom.
God, will set up His kingdom during ‘the divided kingdom of iron and potter’s clay’ which is a separate kingdom made up of the predominant 1st lion, 2nd bear, 3rd leopard into the 4th BEAST kingdom.
This can be proven as the 4th BEAST KINGDOM’S make up, is different from the 4th IRON KINGDOM.
It has a different NAME I.E. “DIVIDED KINGDOM OF IRON AND POTTER’S CALY” ‘PARTLY STRONG AND PARTLY BROKEN.’
Three remaining kingdom’s their DOMINIONS are TAKEN AWAY. This occurs when Jesus, is given back His power, and Kingdom.

Dan 7: 13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Dan 7: 14. And there was GIVEN HIM DOMINION, and GLORY, and A KINGDOM, that all people, nations, and languages, should SERVE HIM: his dominion is an EVERLASTING DOMNION, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

A confirmation that the fourth beast kingdom is made up of the other three is that he is LIKE UNTO A LEOPARD, HAS BEAR’S FEET/CLAWS, HAS A MOUTH OF A LION , SATAN/DRAGON GIVES HIM POWER, and HIS SEAT AND GREAT AUTHORITY but for only 42 months.

The description is so different to that of the make up of PURE IRON even though both separate kingdoms, were DREADFUL DESTROYERS in character.
Look at the makeup of this 4th beast power which is totally different from the make up of Dan 2: 40 representing the 4th pure IRON KINGDOM.

Rev 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was LIKE UNTO A LEOPARD, and HIS FEET WERE AS the feet OF A BEAR, and his mouth as THE MOUTH OF A LION: and the DRAGON GAVE HIM HIS POWER, and his seat, and GREAT AUTHORITY.

The last verse will not happen until Satan, with his angels are all cast out of Heaven, down to Earth.
Rev 12: 9. And the great DRAGON was cast out, that old serpent, CALLED THE DEVIL, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his ANGELS were cast out WITH HIM.
Also see Rev 20: 2 for the ID of Satan.
The beast is given only 42 months = 3 ½ years.
Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and POWEWR was given unto him to continue FORTY and TWO MONTHS.
Satan shows up.
Rev 13: 11. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and he SPAKE LIKE A DRAGON.
Rev 13: 12. he exerciseth ALL THE POWER of the FIRST BEAST before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST BEAST, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13: 13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh FIRE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN on the earth in the sight of men,

It is Satan, that says to those that dwell on the Earth, that they SHOULD MAKE AN IMAGE OF THE BEAST AND WORSHIP IT!
Note IT IS AN IMAGE OF THE BEAST.
Rev 13: 14. And DECEIVETH THEM that dwell on the earth by those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; SAYING TO THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH, that they should MAKE AN IMAGE to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Now Satan, makes the IMAGE SPEAK.
Rev 13: 15. And HE HAD POWER TO GIVE LIFE UNTO THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST, that THE IMAGE of the BEAST should both SPEAK, and cause that as many as would not WORSHIP THE IMAGE of the beast should be killed.

Dear Just The Facts, you can ignore answering my questions as you have done thus far and you can repeat yourself over and over again until you’re blue in the face, but you still cannot show one biblical verse or verses where ‘Rome, is given the mortal wound’ in the fifth century!

 

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How sad it is, that on a false man made teaching, that results in the violation of Rev 22: 18, 19. by changing days into years where that is NOT supported by scripture, if it is then please show me the verses dear Brother Just The Facts?

Also, that premise is biblically unsound on which you try unsuccessfully, to join the 4th iron kingdom with the 4th beast kingdom which is the divided kingdom of iron and patter’s clay.
You keep trying to suggest that idea without biblical backup because that is what you have been taught and have accepted that the Roman empire evolves into the church of Rome, which is an assumption based solely on protestant prejudice, lacking any Bible, backup whatsoever, that is so insulting to Roman Catholics.

There have been Protestants, that have murdered Roman Catholics, and those that do it are breaking God’s law.

Do you think by offending Roman Catholics, of today which had nothing to do with past generation’s deeds that you are spreading the word of God, through good will, or is it ill will ?
These are some of your statements Just The Facts, that you have used without any Bible, verses to support them whatsoever.
So they will be regarded as constructs by me and no doubt by others of a like mind.
Here is the acid test dear Just The Facts, show the Bible, verse or verses that CLEARLY in each case support your quoted statements below.

Just the facts quotes.
1. “These are the same kingdoms Both denoted as Iron”
”7:7: After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:”

2. ”You are ignoring what is said they both are the fourth kingdom on Earth The both are strong as iron and the Both break into pieces the Other Kingdoms before them.” Unquote.

3. JTF quote.
“The First beast of Rev 13 is Rome the deadly head wound is the Fall of that Kingdom in 476AD.”

4. JTF quote.
“It was like Rome's deadly wound was healed and it was reborn.”

5. JTF quote.
”Charlemagne would also disagree he clearly claimed to be Roman Emperor of the West. In fact I believe they had a name for the successive kingdoms that followed.............................Now what was that name................................OH YA……………………….. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.”

6. JTF quote.
“Out of the fourth beast/Rome comes10 kingdoms/horns.”

7. JTF quote.
“In other words he destroyed their Kingdoms and established the first of seven peeks of power(the other seven horns 10-3=7) of the Holy Roman Empire.”

8. JTF quote.
“What we have is Seven PEAKS OF POWER. The Seven peaks of Power of the Holy Roman Empire or the healed beast/Kingdom.”

“Dan 2:[43] As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.”

9. JTF quote.
“This is just what the Kings of the Holy Roman Empire do through marriage they try and hold the Empire together but it does not hold. Sometimes it is strong and sometimes it is weak it has seven Peaks or hills of power.”

10. JTF quote.
“Later in Revelation this two horned lamb is referred to as the False prophet.”

11. JTF quote.
“Revelation is the telling of the kingdoms that would rule during the 2000 years.”

12. JTF quote. “We are told in Daniel and Rev that this Kingdom will rule for 1260 years after the deadly wound.”

13. JTF quote. “After this Happens we will see the Final Version of the Holy Roman Empire …………Who is the King of the North……………….Who will build his Palace at Jerusalem …….who will sit in that temple and show himself as God.”
“The king of the North is the revised Roman Empire/ Holy Roman Empire.”

14. JTF quote. “This new Conquering religion (that is a religion that is spread through war and violence and murder of those who do not agree) of the Kings of the North (Holy Roman Empire)”

15. JTF quote. ”Centuries later as the church suffered under the torture and murder of the Roman persecutions as it cried in pain Satan came again offerring control of the kingdom of the Devil (ie Rome) and we all know what happened next.”

16. JTF quote. “The beast of Rev 13 is Rome.”
“Revelation makes this crystal clear.”

17. JTF quote. “The Wound heals and the kingdom comes back as the Holy roman Empire.”

18. JTF quote.
“ALL OTHER DREAMS AND PROPHECY fit within the four Kingdoms described in Daniel 2: All other beasts in Daniel and revelation fit within these four Kingdoms.”

19. JTF quote. “It is very clear that the partly clay partly iron is a part of the fourth kingdom.”

20. JTF quote. “There is nothing after the fourth kingdom It the later days of the fourth kingdom the kingdom of God will be set up.”

21. JTF quote. ”You are ignoring what is said they both are the fourth kingdom on Earth The both are strong as iron and the Both break into pieces the Other Kingdoms before them.”

22. Just the Facts, quote.
“ This Then goes to the feet partly of clay and partly Iron. The feet also represent a stage in Rome ie:the fourth Kingdom.”

23. Just The Facts, quote.
“Do they exists as one continuous government or do they take the form of Several governments or Kingdoms. Are they always strong or are they also weak do they exist as one continuous Kingdom or Power or do they have peaks of Power sometimes strong followed by weak times then another peak of strength.”

24. Just the Facts, makes his own personal view.
Quote.
“All these doctrines that go from Rome to end times, step by almost 2,000 years of History and are just not in line with the promise of God. All is revealed to the Prophets.”

24. Just The Facts, QUOTE.
“ What you need to do is Look at what Followed the Deadly wound to Rome in 476AD ………….Which is the Holy Roman Empire………………..the Claimed Kingdom of God on Earth. Do you not think if some Kingdom was going to claim to be the promised kingdom ofn Earth God would tell us of this Kingdom therough the prophets. That is what rev is a warning against the kingdom that claims it is the Kingdom of God.”
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Lastly the following speculation is NOT from Daniel.
Daniel, was concerned about something entirely different from that assumed by you Just The Facts, in your following statements.
Daniel, actually states what concerned him.
So I ask you where do these following assumptions come from because they’re not from the Bible.
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25. Just The Facts, quote.
"[27] And I, Daniel, was overcome and lay sick for some days; then I rose and went about the king's business; but I was appalled by the vision and did not understand it."

”So Now Daniel asks another Question because he still does not understand. He wants to know when Messiah will be Born and what will be the end of Jerusalem's desolations and punishment…………. as the 70 Years of the prophecy of Jeremiah was almost over. He wanted to know what every Jewish person wanted to know. When would the promise to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob be fulfilled the promise to The house of Judah and the House of Jacob or Joseph.”

All the above 25 statements have been shown to be unbiblical Just The Facts, they are not in the book, therefore unsubstantiated, until you can prove otherwise don’t move onto something else until they are.
I don’t want to hear you insult the church of Rome, thereby offending Roman Catholics any more, which you do without any Bible, backing your statements.
Their were Protestants that killed Roman Catholics in the past.
Now tell me were the Protestants that killed for their religion or Roman Catholics that killed for their religion right in doing that?
What about Roman Catholics and Protestants that were offended by those deeds, are they to be blamed because they belong to a church?
All you’re doing is pushing people away by offending and upsetting them.

Christianity is a pull religion not a push religion Just The Facts.

Matthew 11: 28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11: 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11: 30. my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Now as I said the last time, ‘I want to get back to the study of Daniel, which is going to be as long as required’ and has nothing to do with you Just The Facts, as somehow representing an argument against you.

So do not tell me about how long these studies are by wrongly assuming them as being a part of an argument with you, they are for interested Bible, students like myself to consider and as I said quote ‘I do not want to get bogged down with preterist arguments.’ Unquote.
I would appreciate you backing up with the Bible, those quoted statements of yours, or say nothing Just The Facts, until you do because it takes too much of my time away that can be more productive than arguments against non biblical hypotheses.

Maranatha.

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