The Patterns And Parallels Of Daniel.

[Just The Facts]

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Christians are NOT apointed to wrath
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How true John's prophecy about the harlot was.

7: How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Allot of people are going to be very disappointed when the plagues start falling on them. Some will deny they are the plagues because they have not been raptured. Most believing they are just natural disasters will say things like where is God

 

[stone]

inhisdebt , the 70th week will concern the jews , focus shifts back to israel after

you can say that again,

lol

 

[inhisdebt]

you can say that again,

lol

Say it all you want we are tied to the Jews through salvation
rev12v17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This would appear to mean both and Jews( that keep the commandments of God),and christians( wich have the testimony of Jesus christ)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Daniels 70th week is also called the time of JACOBS trouble , the church is not jacob and wont be here .

Of course we won't be there [I will be in Texas lounging in my yard]!!!

Who the heck wants to be in Israel or Jerusalem when this happens

[this is appears to be the 4th bowl in reve]

(NKJV) Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

ezekiel 22:19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Dan 12: 4. “But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP THE WORDS, and SEAL THE BOOK, TO THE TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

Daniel’s visions never changed in substance or purpose.
They were seen, then explained from different perspectives for Daniel’s ‘consideration.’
The angel Gabriel, had conveyed the intention from heaven, that he Daniel, should ‘understand the vision.’
Yet later Daniel, was told to seal up the Book for it was not for him to know.

Different messengers were used, such as the angel Gabriel.
Also Our Lord Jesus, spoke directly to both Daniel and John, of Revelation fame, to explain the vision.

Daniel’s little book was to be closed.
However in Revelation, the little book is opened.
We have Daniel 7: 12 where this event is repeated to John, in Revelation 19: 20.
Certain entities are mentioned by Daniel, however in Revelation the ‘false prophet’ is an addition, to the characters involved, so I am unsure as to why that is.
Parallels, patterns, powers, geographical locations, events and the determination of evil beings involved in the destruction of the remnant at any cost seems to be at our door.
We are given time spans of certain events within the vision’s specific time limits of 2300 ereb/boqer, which cannot be translated into years from Aramaic, in which Daniel war written.
Ereb/evening and boqer/morning of ‘the time of the end’ period, in which all of Daniel’s mentioned time spans must fit.
Certain prophetic events are explained in detail and at clearly named locations.
EVERY detail of the vision MUST be taken into consideration before any claim of its fulfilment can be made.
It must occur at the stated ‘time of the end’ and not before.
Our generation will witness the location of each specific event that is to take place with the named characters and worldly powers involved.
Our generation will see Jerusalem, surrounded by Gentile nations.
There will be an exodus of God’s chosen, into the mountain wilderness from Judea, and they will be there for 1260 days. See Rev 12: 6. Matt 24: 15 and 16 which is all to do with the abomination of desolation being set up for 1290 days in Dan 12: 11.
For ‘forty two months,’ in Rev 11: Jerusalem, will be trampled on by the Gentiles.
Remember the abomination is to be ‘set up’ for 1290 days. See Dan 12: 11.
This generation will witness the fact that the woman is given a place to hide in the wilderness for 1260 days before the ‘end of time’ for Satan’s earthly realm, which is to be given back to the Saints.
God’s people are to suffer the tribulation until ‘1335 days’ see Dan 12: 12 whereupon after that time span they will receive their promised ‘blessing’ in Heaven. See Rev 19: 1 – 10.
We will see the two witnesses of Revelation 11. prophesying for 1260 days and see their bodies lay dead for 3 ½ days in Jerusalem then, experience the resurrection of life with them at trumpet seven.
But there will be the finale war against these two and the Saints before the resurrection to life occurs.
Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The war then the kingdom is to be ‘possessed’ by the Saints.
This locks up all of Daniel together from the toes, in Dan 2: 41 – 42. to Daniel 7: 8: 9; right through to chapter 12. of that specific time of the end period.

Daniel, states in Daniel Chapter 10: 1. that he understood the chezev/visions.

1. “In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message true, but the appointed time long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the visions.”
The Saints will have the promised kingdom.
See Daniel 7: 18. Saints will posses the KINGDOM.

The war is mentioned
Daniel 7: 21. I beheld, and the same HORN MADE WAR with the
SAINTS, and PREVAILED against them;
Then the promise
Daniel 7: 22. Ancient of Days gives KINGDOM to Saints.
Daniel 7: 27. Saints given the KINGDOM.
The above event places Daniel 7: firmly at the time of the end.

This is also a fact for Daniel 8:
Daniel 8: 17. Understand, o son of man for AT THE TIME OF THE
END shall be THE CHEZEV.
Daniel 8: 19. Gabriel will MAKE Daniel, KNOW what shall be the
last end of the indignation, the LAST END, FOR THE
TIME appointed THE END.
In Daniel 8: 24, he will ‘destroy the mighty and the holy people.
In Dan 8: 26. Daniel, is told to ‘shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.’
In other parts where Daniel, is told to shut up the vision we understand that this is to be done until the time of the end. This precedent was set early and therefore applies throughout.

Of course Daniel 9: is also to take place at ‘the time of the end’ period which is verified by the fact that the SAME WAR is mentioned in the following verse.

Dan 9: 26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and THE END THEREOF shall be with a flood, and UNTO THE END OF THE WAR desolations are determined.

Let me just use this verse to make my point.
What war takes place? The last war against God’s people. And it is mentioned in Daniel 9: 26. along with Daniel chapters 7 and 8 also in Daniel 10.

Daniel 10: 1. Again the war is mentioned and ties these chapters within the chezev together as a progression that ‘concerns the time of the end,’ as Gabriel, indicates from Dan 7 right through to Dan 12.

KJV.
Daniel 10: 1. In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and THE THING TRUE, but the TIME appointed LONG: and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING, and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHEZEV.
Recalling back to Daniel 9: 27, and even further back, it is not difficult to see to what he was referring to.
“A THING WAS REVEALED UNTO DANIEL”
“THE THING TRUE,”
“but the TIME appointed LONG:”
“and he UNDERSTOOD THE THING,”
“and HAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE VISIONS.”

Dan 8: 26. And the VISION of the evening and the morning which was told TRUE: wherefore shut thou up the vision; FOR IT shall be FOR MANY DAYS.

From The Interlinear Translation Bible.
Dan 10: 1. “In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The thing was true and A GREAT CONFLICT, he understood the thing, and understanding of the chezev.”

All of this will happen when the beast with the mortal wound is given power and authority by the second beast Satan, for only ‘forty two months.’
After Satan, and his angels are thrown out of Heaven by Jesus/Michael.

These time periods are specific and about to happen.
These events are all there in the Bible, as plain as day and should be familiar to those who have been following this study.

‘The lamb that speaks like a dragon’ Satan, is coming with his angels to hoodwink those on Earth who do not understand, he seeks to change laws and TIMES, but the wise will understand this fact and be ‘watching.’

Faith in Jesus, saves us but being wise as a result of faith, in understanding the word about these events is part of trusting the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy and is vital in turning many to the Christ.

Daniel, was given Visions after which followed enlargements.
This trend occurred all through Daniel’s prophetic writings.

Daniel, in Chapter 10 verse 2 speaks of “mourning three weeks.” Daniel well nigh understood that the vision was not to be fulfilled, until long into the distant future.
How disappointing and distressing for Daniel, to know that the fulfilment of the vision was not to be for many, many years and that his people were set to face a ‘great conflict.

He wanted to know everything about the visions, especially things about the fourth beast most terrible and the little horn.
I pondered for many months wondering why Daniel, was so upset. I realised that he had found something that the KJV did not inform us of.
But what was it?
I knew how much he loved his people, Israel. That is obvious by his supplications to God, on their behalf, in Dan 8.
I thought why would Daniel, go off his food?
Because he just couldn’t handle not knowing?
No, there was more to this than that, that I wasn’t seeing.
But liking to stay fluid and digging further I checked what the Interlinear Translation Bible, had to say and bingo, it hit the nail on the head, so to speak.
The great conflict, WAR!
Let me just join some verses to remind us as to the progression of Daniel for a moment.
Daniel, wanted to know everything, yet at the same time was appalled by the vision.
The angel saw the effect this was having upon him, so eventually he was told, “seal up the Book Daniel.” It is not for you to know.
So we have the ‘last WAR’ a ‘GREAT CONFLICT’ at the time of the end that must take place and is mentioned in Dan 7: 8: and 9 along with Dan 10: Bringing all these chapters together at the same time and that means the fourth beast that will be killed before the Lion. Bear and leopard kingdoms are put to the sword at the time of the end.
That is why they are all together waiting. Therefore are not and can’t be representative of past kingdoms.
When is Jesus returning?
This question has been asked countless times, throughout generations. Men have looked for the answers, and in their haste have read things into the Bible, that just weren’t there, hoping and praying for His return and eventually being laid to rest with their forefathers.

Way back, men were told ‘the end is nigh, THE END IS NIGH!’ that kept the light of hope burning.
The issue of His soon return was preached by the Disciples, with great anticipation.
Luke 12: 35. “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning;
Luke 12: 36. “And you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.
Luke 12: 37. “Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them.
From the old Testaments and New, we see an urgency in the preaching by the Disciples and even John the Baptist who said “repent for the DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR.”
Generations have been selfishly impatient for His ‘SOON’ second coming, was there anything wrong in that? Of course not.

Were these great men of faith wrong about when?…. Yes and no.
Two thousand years later in hindsight, tells me they were wrong about the TIME but were right about the EVENT!
They were mortal men and they were wanting their Master to gather them up before they tasted death.
Nothing wrong with that, that was and is a part of faith.
Three score and ten sort of limits a persons time perspective and patience.

Do we then throw out the Bible, because the Disciples thought the time was back then? Of course not.
The kingdom of Jesus, was not set up during the Lord’s time on Earth.
Jesus made that clear when he said that His kingdom was not of this world, see John 18:36.

Jesus suffered the penalty of our sins.
As we read about this event we note that one Disciple says this and another says something different and sometimes they repeat the same sentences of the Christ.
It is not a question of who was right or wrong, it is a question of each individual Disciple recording as much as could be remembered and collectively they were fairly comprehensive with the detail.
In Matt 24: Mark: 13; Luke: 21: The same question was asked “how long?”
“What will the signs of your coming and the end of the world?”
In Jesus’ answer, He quotes Daniel, that’s about, when you see the abomination of desolation and states that those in Judea, should flee, also the words ‘read Daniel and understand’ are there.
The abomination MUST be set up for 1290 days, no less, no more than that stipulated time span.
Did God, allow the Disciples and John the Baptist to believe that He was returning soon?
From what I understand, yes the Lord did. However the Lord, did not know the time of that event only the Father knows that. See Mark 13:32.

Before you say blasphemy, look at the evidence.
There are certain things we don’t tell our children, like how to light matches, they can’t handle the responsibility of it.
Jesus, was not told by the Father, the WHEN time of His second coming!

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

How could Jesus, tell His followers that they were not quite right about His second advent, when he did not know the time Himself?
To have told the Disciples the length of time from His departure then second advent, would have broken their hearts in disappointment. Even today some argue that it can’t be 2000 years before the chezev becomes a reality, well to that I say, just read and see the news and have a good look at Dan 7: and 8.

Jesus does not lie. To Him a thousand or two thousand years is but a short time!

Jesus made us.
He knows us, even better than we know ourselves.
If we knew that He was returning on Friday we would have a great time early in the week, then use credit cards to donate lots and lots of money to charities just before His advent.
You know what we humans are like, and so does Jesus!
The hour day month or year, nobody knows, and it is for our good that it was done that way.
Daniel, mentioned God changing times and seasons in Daniel 2: 21.

When the Israelites escaped from Egypt (Ex 12) it was ‘midnight’ on the 10th of July, using our calendar.
It was Passover and they were told to paint the blood of the lamb on the door posts, cook it and eat it, with their shoes on and leave nothing of it.
I will use the Gregorian calendar in the following.

The next escape from trouble.
It was the 12th hour, on the 10th day of the 7th month, Passover and on the Jubilee.

King Sennacherib of Assyria surrounded Jerusalem, king Hezekiah was scared stiff, 2 Kings 19.
When the last two tribes of Israel were left at the mercy of the Assyrian king, God stepped in when He was blasphemed see 2 Kings 20: 6..
It was on the ‘Jubilee’ and at night on the 10 day of the seventh month ‘Passover,’ when king Sennacherib’s forces of 165000 died during the night.

God, took over and dealt with the situation again to rescue His people.
Twice the rescue date was set at those specific times which occur in summer time, northern hemisphere.
The metal empire time statue mentioned in Daniel 2: 35 is to be destroyed, it mentions ‘summer.’
Daniel 2: 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the SUMMER threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

If we were to be rescued on the 12th hour midnight on the 10th day on the 7th month Passover, on Jubilee, why is it impossible to know the time?
I was told that way back, around 701- 700 there was a change from a 360 day year to an elliptical 365 ¼ day year.
The Chinese called the extra days ‘the evil or unwanted days.’

Please note. All the days measured in the Bible, were based on a 360 day year and so are the prophecies of Daniel, for the time of the end along with
Revelation, think about it, time was reversed back ten degrees, 40 minutes by God, in 2 kings 19.
We can’t work out the hour day month year, because of the distortion of the extra 5 ¼ days.
Daniel 2:21. And He changeth the TIMES and the SEASONS: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Jesus said in Mark 13: 32.
Mark 13: 32. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
So we know how the Father changes times by the addition of days and can reverse or speed it up.
So how does God the Father, change seasons?

The answer is God tilts the Earth 27 ½ degrees.
So let’s check the Earth’s movements and at what TIME and EVENT and what would the heavenly bodies appear to be doing whilst we on Earth are being moved around a bit?
We are in for a huge, stunning heavenly shift.

The season can be changed by a 27 ½ degree tilt.
Isaiah 24: 20. The EARTH SHALL REEL TO AND FRO LIKE A DRUNKARD, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

These are ALL a part of the ‘time of the end’ prophecy signs and events being fulfilled, so when I am told that ‘these prophecies of Daniel or Revelation were completed at an earlier time,’ it leaves me thinking that people that believe in that theory, are wide open for the deluding power of ‘the lamb that speaks like a dragon.’

Luke 21: 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and JERUSALEM SHALL BE TRODDEN DOWN OF THE GENTILES, UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED.
How long will ‘Jerusalem be trampled’ or ‘trodden down?’

Rev 11: 1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS.
What would the Earth’s tilting movements of reeling to and fro do to the sea?
Luke 21: 25. And there shall be SIGNS IN THE SUN, and in THE MOON, and IN THE STARS; and upon the earth DISTRESS OF NATIONS, with PERPLEXITY; THE SEA AND THE WAVES ROARING;


Luke 21: 26. Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
AT what time?
Luke 21: 27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

When will we be saved?
Luke 21: 28. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The Bible, says we really do have to grow up in doctrine, ‘speaking the truth in love.’
Ephesians 4: 14. That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15. But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Enough of my sermonising, back to Daniel.

Daniel 10: 2. In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks.
3. I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Daniel was ill, distraught with worry and physically unable to eat. He didn’t even look after himself properly for three weeks!

How depressed Daniel was.
He wanted answers and was left waiting around for three weeks?
What was going on in his mind?

Daniel was standing by the river Tigris (Hebrew Hiddekel) The Tigris like the Euphrates, rises from two principal sources in the Armenian mountains, Its length is reckoned at 1146 miles.

As a matter of interest. Look and see where the garden of Eden was roughly located using the river system in the following verses.

Genesis 2: 8. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in EDEN; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2: 9. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2: 10. And a RIVER went out of EDEN to water the garden; and from thence it was PARTED, and became into FOUR HEADS.

Genesis 2: 11. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

Genesis 2: 12. And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

Genesis 2: 13. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that COMPASSETH the whole land of ETHIOPIA.

Genesis 2: 14. And the name of the third river is HIDDEKEL: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is EUPHRATES.

The sin problem started in Heaven, then the same Deceiver worked on Eve, then Adam, and the human sin problem started on Earth in the garden of Eden, Adam losing our inheritance in Eden, however the sin problem may end up being dealt with back where it started, in Eden on Earth.

In the garden of Eden the first result of sin was to do what?

Adam, Where are you? ….. Hiding!
Why? …… From you, Lord…..
What have you done? …… sinned.

Sin separated Adam from GOD.
Now back to Daniel.

Daniel, was on the banks of the Tigris river.

On the twenty fourth day of the first month was the time of the vision, only this time it was in the company of others.

Daniel 10: 4. Now on the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, that , the Tigris,

Daniel 10: 5. I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of Uphaz!

The appearance of the messenger was seen only by Daniel, even though he was with others.

Daniel 10: 6. His body was like beryl, his face like the appearance of lightning, his eyes like torches of fire, his arms and feet like burnished bronze in colour, and the sound of his words like the voice of a great multitude.

Daniel 10: 7. And I, Daniel, alone saw the vision, for the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great terror fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

What ever it was that terrified the others with Daniel, Daniel does not say but he was left alone and he went weak.
Daniel 10: 8. Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no strength remained in me; for my vigour was turned to frailty in me, and I retained no strength.

Daniel was not in control, he was in, as he says ‘a deep sleep’ yet he was still able to comprehend.
Daniel 10: 9. Yet I heard the sound of his words; and while I heard the sound of his words I was in a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

The physical influences played upon Daniel, left him helpless.
Daniel 10: 10. Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands.

The messenger told Daniel, how much he was thought of in Heaven and told him to stand upright so Daniel, still trembling, weakly stood up.

Daniel 10: 11. And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.

Daniel was a most humble man, this is something that is a characteristic noted and approved of in Heaven, ‘the humble man.’

We read about the loud boastful unheard of things that will be spoken against the Most High, in Daniel by the false prophet, and little horn/Satan and the beast with the mortal wound, we see the reaction of Michael/Jesus ‘the Prince which stands for thy children’ in Daniel 12.

Daniel 12. 1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, THE GRET PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The Bible, is about The Father, Son and holy Ghost.

It tells us of God’s Saints, Prophets, and the sin problem in Heaven. How God handles it! and it’s culmination on Earth!

It is a jigsaw puzzle and needs to be pulled together to see the true picture. From the start through to the end.
The Bible, is sure and true and deep and we should dig.
Verification of the Bible, over thousands of years in its making by different writers of the great prophetic story, some prophecies being fulfilled in the Christ, and some to come.
The same story, added to with consistency and harmony, over so many years, confirms to me that it was put there by God, through men!

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

We are about to see “the mystery of God,” unfold in Revelation and Daniel, in our time, within this generation when trumpet seven sounds.

We should now be familiar with the time involved regards the tribulation period.
Forget the pre tribulation escape notion, the next verse invalidates that idea.

Daniel 7: 25. And he shall speak words against the most High, and shall WEAR OUT THE SAINTS of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND until a TIME and TIMES and the DIVIDING of TIME.
Daniel 7: 26. But the judgment shall sit, and THEY SHALL TAKE AWAY his DOMINION, to consume and TO DESTROY it UNTO THE END.

As I have already said Earth is not the Lord’s as yet, it is Satan’s, that is why in the last verse judgment sits and it is Jesus, that is judged worthy to take back the kingdom and His power and glory and as a result Satan, loses his dominion.
What does Satan do before this?
“He wears out the Saints” along with the two Witnesses in Rev 11, who are to be killed at the end of the 1260 days of their witnessing, He will wear out the children of God over 3 ½ years.
Why does Satan, come to stay here for 3 ½ years?

Daniel 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT against the DRAGON; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Kicked out of Heaven, The accuser (Satan) and the beast along with the false prophet and evil angels bring the war to Earth.
Revelation 13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Michael has had to deal with Satan, for a long time!
By the way Michael is THE ONLY ARCHANGEL.

Jude 9: 9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, THE LORD REBUKE THEE.
I remember Jesus saying the same thing to Satan, after being tempted by him in the wilderness.
Jesus, from memory has about 28 names, one of which nobody knows, but ‘Michael ,the Prince of thy people.’ I believe through study that He is none other than Jesus Himself and I have Bible for that.

Check out Hebrews, there is another name for our Lord!

Hebrews 7: 2. Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had won in the battle and gave it to Melchizedek. His name means “king of justice.” He is also “king of peace” because Salem means “peace.”
3 There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—NO BEGINNING OR END to his life. He remains a PRIEST FOREVER, RESEMBLING THE SON OF GOD.

What mortal man can open the book in Heaven and belong to Adam’s family, as an inheritor, or claim it as a squatter under squatters rights and who is worthy to pay the price which was beyond a mortal man to pay, unless God gave up His Godliness and became a sinless man enabling Adam’s children who lost the inheritance, through Adam and Eve to get it back for them, as a man?

It is the Lamb of God that stands in the court to receive His Kingdom, realm, worthiness, power and glory.

Different responsibilities at different times, rolled up in one being, the Son of God, being the word that was with God, as God. Being separated, Godness from Godness becoming two but as one.
Lowering Himself as The son of David. Who had to be in line from David therefore as a king “The Son of man” “The second Adam.” Same person, different Titles, therefore enabling different responses for gaining back that which was lost as a king and son of king David that is why we have the begats.
Complex isn’t it!
Jesus claiming back the Adam family deeds under squatters rights as the second Adam, as only a family member can, by law and paying the price that regained eternal life for us, that was lost to Satan, in the kingdom of Earth, given to all who simply ask Jesus.

Now let’s read the following verses just for verification.
They of course lead us to salvation as changed beings.
I Cor 15: 45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the LAST ADAM was made a QUICKENING SPIRIT. 46. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL.
47. The FIRST MAN is of THE EARTH, earthy: the SECOND MAN IS THE LORD from heaven.

48. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the IMAGE OF THE HEAVENLY.
50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Back to Daniel 10. As stated before God, loves a man with, humility and so Daniel, was loved.

Daniel 10: 12.Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to HUMBLE yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words.

We are told that the angel was “withstood” (opposed, defied, confronted,) for twenty one days.

Michael, shows up! Fixes Daniel’s concerns.

The angel, was late meeting with Daniel, and gave a reason for being so.

Daniel was sick for three weeks! It was courteous of the angel to explain why he was late.

Daniel 10: 13. “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.
As I said earlier Daniel, loved his people and when he understood the thing about the ‘great conflict,’ he was distraught for three weeks and still was concerned, no doubt.
Daniel 10: 14. “Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to YOUR PEOPLE in the LATTER DAYS, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”

In plain English, this is what is going to happen to your people Daniel, the Jews, at the time of the end!
Capitals used for enphasise only.
The penny starts to drop in Daniel 10: 14 the words resound ‘YOUR PEOPLE.’ ‘The LATTER DAYS!’ Daniel’s head turns down to look at the ground, (body language) with nothing to say.
When I read this stuff, I feel so much love for this old Prophet called Daniel, who simply looked down, absolutely stunned without a word. When men do that you can’t see their eyes.
Daniel 10: 15. “When he had spoken such words to me, I turned my face toward the ground and became speechless.”

In the next verse suddenly somebody, looking like the ‘sons of men’ touched Daniel’s lips. Daniel addresses him with the words, “my lord.”
Daniel is so overwhelmed with sorrow, because he loved his people and was concerned about them.
Daniel 10: 16 And suddenly, one having the likeness of the sons of men touched my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke, saying to him who stood before me, “My lord, BECAUSE OF THE CHEZEV my SORROWS HAVE OVERWHELMED me, and I have retained no strength.

Daniel 10: 17. For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
Daniel 10: 18. Then again, the one having the likeness of a man touched me and strengthened me.
Daniel 10: 19 And he said, “O MAN GREATLY BELOVED, FEAR NOT! Peace be to you; BE STRONG, YES, BE STRONG!” So when he spoke to me I was strengthened, and said, “Let my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.”

Daniel 10: 20. Then he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of PERSIA; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of GREECE will come.

Daniel 10: 21. “But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

Maranatha

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Say it all you want we are tied to the Jews through salvation
rev12v17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This would appear to mean both and Jews( that keep the commandments of God),and christians( wich have the testimony of Jesus christ)

Amen to that inhisdebt.
Jeremiah 31: 31. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31: 32. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 31: 33. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 16: 59. For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.

Ezekiel 16: 60. Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

Ezekiel 16: 61. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
Ezekiel 16: 62. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:

Ezekiel 16: 63. That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

Maranatha.

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This would appear to mean both and Jews( that keep the commandments of God),and christians( wich have the testimony of Jesus christ)

Where does it say that these are two separate groups of people? I say that this verse is about one group which has both distinctions.

 

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Where does it say that these are two separate groups of people? I say that this verse is about one group which has both distinctions.

Yes Visionary, I agree that it is the two groups that keep the commandments of God, and also have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I agreed with inhisdebt, to the fact that there are ‘two groups.’
Both groups have to have both requisites as you rightly point out.
I just thought I would make that point clear, in case of a misunderstanding.

Maranatha.

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Yes Visionary, I agree that it is the two groups that keep the commandments of God, and also have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I agreed with inhisdebt, to the fact that there are ‘two groups.’
Both groups have to have both requisites as you rightly point out.
I just thought I would make that point clear, in case of a misunderstanding.

Maranatha.

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I say that this verse is about one group which has both distinctions.

 

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I say that this verse is about one group which has both distinctions.

Yet the Bible, states it differently.

Yet the Bible, states that there are 144000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, then mentions another group from every nation, which must include Israeli men women and children along with Gentiles.
There is a clear distinction but the promised blessing is given to all those standing on the sea of glass.
Rev 7: 3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Then there is another group from every nation which cannot be numbered.


Rev 7: 9. AFTER THIS I BEHELD, and, lo, a GREAT MULTITUDE, which NO MAN COULD NUMBER, OF ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

The 144000 are mentioned again.

Rev 14: 1. And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

There are two groups, the first are counted as the 144000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. Then another group from every nation is mentioned which no man could number.
There are two groups gathered and they are not all from the 12 tribes of Israel, which the Bible, plainly states.
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