Debatable. With 55 million murdered human beings since 1973, the US and western world has too much innocent blood on their hands. For your theory to have merit it will have to come from China, the Middle East or Africa or all of the above. The only pure church is the persecuted church.No, I see a specific age of promise that started right at the year prophesied 2000 years earlier and in multiple prophecies since then. Not something that will come to pass but something that has been coming to pass starting right on that date. To what extent will it grow I only think only God knows. How many people will get killed in the future opposing that growth I have no idea. Its been hundreds of millions so far. Nevertheless and even though hundreds of millions of Christians don't believe in it. The influence of the Gospel, the Word of God and the invisible Government of God keeps growing in the affairs of men. One thing i like to do is to get people to watch the movie Apocalypto by Mel Gibson to get a picture of the ancient world without any of those influences. A picture is worth a thousand words. After that I want to see them preach to me that the world is growing worse and worse. Ridiculous.
Means this: James 3:1-2 Be not many of you teachers, my brethren, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment. For in many things we all stumble. If any stumbleth not in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.You are here to teach? On a mission?
What do you mean you are highly influential? Are we being graced by Pope Francis or Joel Osteen?
Not debatable tonight. Off to bed with me. Have to be up early to work.Debatable. With 55 million murdered human beings since 1973, the US and western world has too much innocent blood on their hands. For your theory to have merit it will have to come from China, the Middle East or Africa or all of the above. The only pure church is the persecuted church.
This is an internet chat site. Teaching here is presumptuous. Better off doing seminars.Means this: James 3:1-2 Be not many of you teachers, my brethren, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment. For in many things we all stumble. If any stumbleth not in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.
Figure that one out.
When did the above happen? Your comments skipped this half verse and went on to the good stuff.and the day of vengeance of our God;
="Truth7t7, post: 72028407, member: 321339"]river and tree in Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5
Oh well, if you put 12' high floors in it that only makes 600 billion square miles of floor space. Big woop.
Really? So the Temple in ancient Israel is really not a foreshadow of the true temple of God which is his people. The Temple and Tabernacle of God But in your reality the people of God are really just symbolic of a physical temple of God in what you call the Millennial reign?
Luke 17: 20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God does not come with observation, (visibly): Nor shall they say, Look here! or, look there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside you. What Is The Government Of God?
What I see there is highly illustrative language meant to deceive those who refuse to acknowledge all the other places the Bible interprets its own prophecy
That is interpreted by the Bible itself as the age of the four empires: Babylon, Medo\Persia, Greece and Roman. Ended in 1453 AD when what had been the capitol of the Roman Empire since 333 AD; Constantinople fell.
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Stranger than fiction that was also the exact year the first commercial European printing press went on line and within a few decades for the first time in human history the Bible got into the hands of the general public in Northern Europe, (illegally.) That led to their transformation cultural and nationally which also led to something that had not happened since Ancient Israel. The powers that be raised an army to wipe out the cancer and couldn't do it. Hence we got the free world were another thing has happened for the first time in human history. All the earthly promises of God made to a thousand generations of saints. Promises that never came to pass in their generations have been coming to pass in nations who are influenced by the the Gospel, the Word and his invisible government. Nations that have meet the conditions that is. This is growing. It has ups and downs but never the less the trend since that forth empire fell, as prophesied, is upwards.
The Greek word for second does not even appear in the same sentence with the geek word for coming in the entire New Testament. Its made up. There are multiple times in the Old Testament when there was a prophecy of the Lords coming in great days of judgment about Old Testament days that were then later recorded in the OT as fulfilled prophecy. There are multiple prophecies in the New Testament about different days of judgment when the lord would literally\phyically come down to earth. Also fulfilled. He still is doing this and will continue doing it for however long the earth continues.
You know what you are missing out on? The well over one hundred chapters of prophecy that speak of the age of promise. This age where the Gospel, the Word of God and the Government of God are slowly but surly transforming the world. A far greater body of prophecy size wise than all the end time prophecy of the last two ages. Yet you preach one thing and the opposite is happening. Even with all the evil opposing it. His invisible governments influence grows and grows in the affairs of men.
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There is no solution if all the New Jerusalem prophecies like these two out of dozens of others are prophecies about a city. If we are talking a literal city then they all disagree with one another. I just choose these two because of the magnitude of the disagreement. However if all of these prophecies are about something else using a city called the New Jerusalem as an illustration. Then there is no problem. Reason being because God uses all kinds of different illustrations to prophesy about the same things in the future. This is especially true when he is giving a vision or a word to different prophets. It's just basic literature 101.
Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-5 are the same place, "The Eternal Kingdom"Ezekiel 47:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Revelation 22:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Ezekiel does not have the tree of life. There's probably a good reason.
The millennial Kingdom on earth (Revelation 20) will be a type for the eternal. God has some history doing the types and shadows of what is to come.
Is what Ezekiel 47:12 shows us is the "Eternal Kingdom" as the river of life flows from the sanctuary, the tree of life has leaves that won't die/fade "Eternal", fruit that won't be consumed "Eternal", leaves of the tree are for healing/medicine.What Ezekiel has shown us is the csusalem in Jesus Millennium which is just the shadow of things to come in New Jerusalem of Revelation which is in the new earth and new heaven.
An Infant dying a 100 years old represents eternal, not literal death.Keep reading in Isiah 65. There's some aging and death going on. Don't think the eternal kingdom has death.
Sooo.... you just said God and Magog will be totally destroyed by saying the entire earth will be destroyed. Back at square one. The giant contradictions between Ezekiel and John not to speak of the other prophets if the New Jerusalem the Bride of Christ is a literal city rather than an illustration of Gods people in an age of promise. Which if so takes away all the contradictions because God throughout the scripture uses different illustrations with different prophets to prophesy the same future. Really as simple as that.
If you try to look at it literally you would agree with me.
No. Not pre, mid, post, ah, or preter. In fact a good question would be. Why do all the “isms” focus on a few verses, in this case a thousand years. That the Bible does not interpret for us. When there is so much end time prophecy that is directly and indirectly interprited by the Bible itself?You're talking about amillennialisn, right?
Well I just figured to address what Jesus did not. The day of vengeance of our God are the great days of judgement when Jeuses literally comes to earth to oversee those days. Like for instance, the one in 70 ad. Or the great judgements against the city of Rome later. Then there was the end of the age of the four gentile empires 1453 ad when what had been the capitol of the Roman Empire since 333 ad fell. Then at some point in between those three he went to six of the seven churches in Revelation.When did the above happen? Your comments skipped this half verse and went on to the good stuff.
I see Ezekiel's temple prophecy of what "could have been." It was a prophecy that could have been fulfilled by Israel, but they failed to live up to obeying God so as to bring it to pass. We see things like this elsewhere in Scripture. In Jonah, we see God tell Jonah that the city of Nineveh will be destroyed in a few days, but it does not come to pass because they repented. The Bible is full of what if scenarios. We have a choice or free will. It's why we have the Bible. it tells us what to do. We are accountable to it. There are good consequences in obeying it and bad consequences in disobeying it.
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For the idea of reinstituting the temple sacrifices again during the Millennium is just silly. That would be going backwards and not fowards.
This is a new form of worship, found neither in the law of Moses nor in the New Testament.
I have always understood that Ezekiel's vision is of the third temple built by the Jews, not Jerusalem. I thought this temple was the millennial temple. The New Jerusalem, however, is the city that comes down from God for the new heaven and the new earth. I may be wrong, but that is what I thought.Yet in Ezekiel's vision the New Jerusalem is 1.5 miles squared and in Johns vision it is 144 miles cubed.
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