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Show me a single verse in scripture which says "613 commandments". I'll wait. (ps. you only refer to OT, what of the NT?)Do you obey all 613 commandments...
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Show me a single verse in scripture which says "613 commandments". I'll wait. (ps. you only refer to OT, what of the NT?)Do you obey all 613 commandments...
No, you 'skipped' the rest of my response.If you are not a Christian, yes, your heart is wicked. But you kinda skipped the part about him giving us a new heart to replace our heart of stone.
No. A Christian is to obey all of God's Law. I stated that here - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...h-day-not-sunday.8075418/page-8#post-73011986Conveniently, the labeling system they have devised allows them to toss out any laws they don't like and so that ALL the law doesn't really mean all of it.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
How do you know that what is 'written' upon the heart is true?
Jesus said:
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
That which is to be written upon the heart is God's Law:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Where may those laws be found written in God's word, to confirm that which is written upon the heart?
The 7th day the sabbath is written upon my Heart by the Holy Ghost. That it is not written upon yours, tells me something about you and your heart. You have your own law, apart from God's Law.
Obedience to God's law is not legalism. It is the outworking of Love in response to God's saving grace in the gift of His Son.
What you have is disobedience, and il-legalism (which is real 'legalism').
No. A Christian is to obey all of God's Law. I stated that here - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...h-day-not-sunday.8075418/page-8#post-73011986
Galatians 4:10 Romans 8:2 readShow me a single verse in scripture which says "613 commandments". I'll wait. (ps. you only refer to OT, what of the NT?)
With God all things are possible. Stop making excuses for your known refusal to obey. Your boss would not accept such lame excuses, what makes you think God will?
Conveniently, the labeling system they have devised allows them to toss out any laws they don't like and so that ALL the law doesn't really mean all of it.
Rabinical and Talmudic nonsense. No such number in scripture exists.
However, Jesus said:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Correct. You just proved it again. You did not cite a single scripture which says such a thing. What you did do, was obfuscate, again.No such number exists in scripture?
Who did the original counting, and why did they divide them that way, and who says that is the standard as opposed to anothers counting and numeration? Rabbincal and talmudic, just as I said, and you simply stole the idea and gave no credit to its orginators.Every one of these 613 commandments are written in the scriptures.
I am an "SDA 'preacher'" (not a pastor), by the grace of God, and no such number exists in scripture. It is a man-made non-scriptural numeration, and has multiple divisions depending upon the rabbi one talks to.Please research the 613 commandments and ask your SDA preacher why you don’t keep these commandments of God.
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.Let’s pray for them that they will understand.
I have read those passages on numerous occasions. Keep reading:Galatians 4:10 Romans 8:2 read
Read Leviticus for starters. Do you keep all the laws found there? If not, you can not claim to keep God s law.
So say LDS, and the spiritualist, etc. They know it is 'right' 'cause they just 'feel' it is 'right'. Rubber-ruler.The Holy Spirit is true and is our "law".
Do you even know why it says that?Well I hope your clothing isn't made of of two different types of materials, as one example.
Not true.Since there is no Temple
Type and Anti-type, for we have the True Temple and the True Sacrifice and the True High Priest (Christ Jesus).there would be no animal sacrifices since those were only allowed in the Temple
Indeed. Not as the Type, but in the Anti-type.but the rest of the law would need to be diligently followed.
Correct. You just proved it again. You did not cite a single scripture which says such a thing. What you did do, was obfuscate, again.
Who did the original counting, and why did they divide them that way, and who says that is the standard as opposed to anothers counting and numeration? Rabbincal and talmudic, just as I said, and you simply stole the idea and gave no credit to its orginators.
I am an "SDA 'preacher'" (not a pastor), by the grace of God, and no such number exists in scripture. It is a man-made non-scriptural numeration, and has multiple divisions depending upon the rabbi one talks to.
Read it hundreds of times by now, since it is the 'go to' text for anti-nomians. It is their law-lessness proof-text (though Peter warned you, 2 Peter 3:16), and you have abused it (as the women of Judges 19:25), and you have wrested their teats (Ezekiel 23:3,21) twisted (2 Peter 3:16), which should have given forth milk (1 Peter 2:2), but now sour milk (Hosea 4:18).“Stop making excuses for your known refusal to obey“ and yet I go to worship on Sunday? Why would I refuse to obey God and yet go to church on Sunday? That makes no sense at all. Perhaps you should read Romans 14....
Again, why did you divide that way, and who said it was the standard of division and why is that right, by what standard? Where did you get the division from?I couldn’t copy & paste all 613. ....
Read it hundreds of times by now, since it is the 'go to' text for anti-nomians. It is their law-lessness proof-text (though Peter warned you, 2 Peter 3:16), and you have abused it (as the women of Judges 19:25), and you have wrested their teats (Ezekiel 23:3,21) twisted (2 Peter 3:16), which should have given forth milk (1 Peter 2:2), but now sour milk (Hosea 4:18).
Romans 14 is to be read in connection with its parallel passages in 1 Corinthians 8-10.
The immediate context of Romans 14, deals with "man esteemeth" (see vs 5, and Luke 16:15) among men, within the allowance of God's Law. Paul is not teaching anyone to sin (see Romans 14:13 and connect to 1 John 3:4) in Romans 14, but teaches the opposite of it, see vs 13:
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Go back and Read Romans 13, just before Romans 14, which quotes the second table of God's Law, which deals with man to man:
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
Romans 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Paul describes the "lusts of the flesh" elsewhere:
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Again:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A person can gather together on any day (even 'first [day] of the week'), as the Jews did before Jesus and as Jews and Christians did after Jesus came. The matter is in that you are teaching that transgression of the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) in its specific words, is not sin, and can be safely ignored, when Jesus himself spoke against that very thing, and Peter warned you of the material in Paul to be careful with it.
Again, why did you divide that way, and who said it was the standard of division and why is that right, by what standard? Where did you get the division from?