The lie of the "right" regarding socialism

[High Fidelity]

Farm subsidies are another example. That's welfare.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Whole Foods makes millions of dollars selling vegetables that God gave us for free.

Same argument as your water.

Companies add synthetic crap to water. Stores just pick a potato out of the garden, wash it, and put it on a shelf.

 

[hislegacy]

Companies add synthetic crap to water. Stores just pick a potato out of the garden, wash it, and put it on a shelf.

that’s completely different than your original post. You stated that God gave us water for free and the company bottles of water and sells it out of grade and that’s a sin.

Well every grocery store on the face of the planet takes food bottles or cans it packages it and sells it to make money which could be great.

I’m just trying to follow your line of reasoning which to meMakes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Thank you for wishing me and my family dead from drinking toxic water.

Oh, and I have had to drink bottled water long before Trump was elected.

I did not wish you or your family dead. And you can refill jugs at most grocery stores for about 40 cents per gallon, with clean reverse osmosis water, so you are not contributing more toxic plastic, which is an oil product, into the world.
And Trump is the king of dismantling environmental protections, and deregulating polluting industries, for profit, and by doing so, he harms us all.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Yes on one thing.

Some corporations are in effect extracting money from us all by making us pay for their costs of their own business.

They have a business, but have figured out a trick, a way to make all the rest of us pay part of their costs.

It's exactly like a hidden levy or tax. But the proceeds go to X, Y, Z corporations.

But by using the word "socialism" you accidentally wake up the arguments about "socialism".

Wrong wording!

More precisely, it's "corruption" or "crony capitalism".

I used the word socialism because Trump used it, 'as in that devil socialism',. I had every intention of waking up the socialism debate, because of Trump's speech.
But a better term is democratic socialism. Just like our government needs checks and balances, so does capitalism.
Therefore, the debate should not be about socialism, which the "right" loves to scare people with, and has used for generations, it should be about their contrasting position, which, in truth, is pro privatization of everything, for profit, which is what the "right" wants to do.
They do nothing with our taxes for the common good, which is where our taxes should go.
We need a combination of private and social. Everything should not be for profit, especially things that everyone needs, like water.

 

[hislegacy]

They do nothing with our taxes for the common good, which is where our taxes should go.
We need a combination of private and social. Everything should not be for profit, especially things that everyone needs, like water.

Medicaid’s is for the common good
Military is for the common good (defense)
Roads and infrastructure is for the common good.

There is plenty done for the common good. What the right doesn’t want is a nanny state.

and to reiterate. No one is being forced to buy water. Turn on the tap.

 

[Goonie]

Medicaid’s is for the common good
Military is for the common good (defense)
Roads and infrastructure is for the common good.

There is plenty done for the common good. What the right doesn’t want is a nanny state.

and to reiterate. No one is being forced to buy water. Turn on the tap.

So they told the residents of flint.

 

[Speedwell]

Medicaid’s is for the common good
Military is for the common good (defense)
Roads and infrastructure is for the common good.

There is plenty done for the common good. What the right doesn’t want is a nanny state.

and to reiterate. No one is being forced to buy water. Turn on the tap.

And be sure to pay the water bill every month.

 

[hislegacy]

So they told the residents of flint.

local government. Not federal. You also have to talk to the Democratic leaders on that.

And be sure to pay the water bill every month.

municipal government not federal.

oh how we have to move the goal posts

 

[Speedwell]

local government. Not federal. You also have to talk to the Democratic leaders on that.



municipal government not federal.

oh how we have to move the goal posts

So what? It's still socialism.

 

[SkyWriting]

Our taxes should go to the common good; not to corporate welfare.
The question is not whether we need democratic socialism, the qesttion is if we should allow corporations to steal/privatize public resources, for pennies, and make millions/billions, as Nestle is doing with bottled water, water that God made for everyone...
The "right" absolutely believes in socialism, only it's socialism for the rich, not for the common good.
Socialize Costs, Privatize Profits - CounterPunch.org

What cloth have you made lately? What would we wear if we all had to grow our own cotton? Just leather made from our puppy dogs and cats? How much of your car or bicycle or shoes were made by you or your government? How much of your job is government or tax funded? Your food supply? How much of your food is hunted or gathered naturally from the wild by your family or government?

 

[expos4ever]

and yet the people living in free societies live much better than people living in Socialist countries. And they live longer.

Evidence please.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Medicaid’s is for the common good
Military is for the common good (defense)
Roads and infrastructure is for the common good.

There is plenty done for the common good. What the right doesn’t want is a nanny state.

and to reiterate. No one is being forced to buy water. Turn on the tap.

Excess spending on thw m

 

[Robin Mauro]

Medicaid’s is for the common good
Military is for the common good (defense)
Roads and infrastructure is for the common good.

There is plenty done for the common good. What the right doesn’t want is a nanny state.

and to reiterate. No one is being forced to buy water. Turn on the tap.

Excess spending on the military is not for the common good. I'm sure you've heard of the waste and how they cannot even account for a huge portion of their budget. They'd rather blow a tank up than replace a tire. Why? The more they spend the more they get. And nuclear is not good for anyone.
Roads yes, medical yes, but as for the nanny state, that is rediculous. They are our taxes and should provide a safety net for the poor, the elderly, the disabled..the least of these...as it is what we have is a nanny state for the rich; tax breaks, subsidies (corporate welfare), bail outs...
They love socialism, as long as they reap the benefits rather than those who actually need it....the least of these...

 

[Robin Mauro]

What cloth have you made lately? What would we wear if we all had to grow our own cotton? Just leather made from our puppy dogs and cats? How much of your car or bicycle or shoes were made by you or your government? How much of your job is government or tax funded? Your food supply? How much of your food is hunted or gathered naturally from the wild by your family or government?

I do not know what your point is. Tax breaks for the wealthy, corporate welfare; it's socialism, but for the rich. As I said before, we need a combination of private and social. Why do you defend those who profit from ripping off water and resources that God made for everyone?
Just because a corporation makes shoes, is not an excuse to exploit the laborer, and the planet. There is a thing called fairness, and another one called morality, and another one called love. Corporate greed is none of these.

 

[HARK!]

Here's a thought - if you do not want to pay for water - don't

That is the beauty of capitalism.

How cavalier. I guess it's "let them drink champagne?"

Can you see?

The Leftists are passing laws which make it illegal to catch rainwater now.

Without our heavenly Father's provision of water, how will the poor people, in Leftist states, survive unless the Government provides water?

 

[HARK!]

give me a name of a country where Socialism worked!

Thinking....thinking........................think...ing..................................Done!

 

[Larniavc]

Yes, and people die, and lose their homes and their entire life savings because they cannot afford to see a doctor, in the supposedly richest nation in the world. We let people die on the streets here, so the rich can be obscenely rich

Yeah, it pretty grim in America if you’re not very rich.

 

[Larniavc]

news to me. I just turn on my tap and get all the water I want.

Imagine believing you did not pay for that water?

Take the shame, smh.

 

[SkyWriting]

I do not know what your point is. Tax breaks for the wealthy, corporate welfare; it's socialism, but for the rich. As I said before, we need a combination of private and social. Why do you defend those who profit from ripping off water and resources that God made for everyone?
Just because a corporation makes shoes, is not an excuse to exploit the laborer, and the planet. There is a thing called fairness, and another one called morality, and another one called love. Corporate greed is none of these.

Tax breaks for the poor is socialism. Tax breaks for corporations support capitalism.
Capitalists make your clothes, your shoes, your car, your food, everything you want for yourself (bottled water). Government does none of those. Government only exists to help you keep all those capitalist created goodies for yourself. That's why the US system works so well. It helps people keep all the capitol they gather.

Capitalists are now looking to exploit the oort cloud for minerals so they we don't have to waste money digging up our planet. And you want to cut their funding?
No Digging Required: Space Mining on the Moon and Beyond