The lie of the "right" regarding socialism

[Lazarus Long]

and yet the people living in free societies live much better than people living in Socialist countries. And they live longer.

The fact is that Freedom works. It's only as a theory that Socialism appears to.

You aren't referring to the socialist Scandinavian countries are you? They come out on top of the USA in every human related metric. But hey the right has no clue what socialism means. Capitalism is not freedom you are conflating slavery with freedom.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Capitalists make your clothes, your shoes, your car, your food, everything you want for yourself (bottled water).

That's the poor not the capitalists.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Just one fact you are missing.. give me a name of a country where Socialism worked!

You mean is working? Pick any Scandinavian or Nordic country, very simple.

 

[Lazarus Long]

How cavalier. I guess it's "let them drink champagne?"

Can you see?

The Leftists are passing laws which make it illegal to catch rainwater now.

Without our heavenly Father's provision of water, how will the poor people, in Leftist states, survive unless the Government provides water?

What?

 

[HARK!]

What?

Apparently you don't understand my sense of humor.

It was a parody.

 

[hislegacy]

Excess spending on thw m

and it will be worse if they get control of the medical industry. You nailed one of the many reasons why the government should not be involved.

Yeah, it pretty grim in America if you’re not very rich.

I’m not even close to rich and it is not in any way shape or form grim. Thanks to the Trump tax cuts my take home went up, my basic deductions doubled and I don’t have to pay penalty for not being able to afford health care after Obama made is twice as expensive.

 

[Lazarus Long]

and it will be worse if they get control of the medical industry. You nailed one of the many reasons why the government should not be involved.



I’m not even close to rich and it is not in any way shape or form grim. Thanks to the Trump tax cuts my take home went up, my basic deductions doubled and I don’t have to pay penalty for not being able to afford health care after Obama made is twice as expensive.

You may not know but most of the developed world have universal health care.

 

[hislegacy]

You may not know but most of the developed world have universal health care.

I do know that, thanks for asking

 

[Lazarus Long]

I do know that, thanks for asking

And it works really well.

 

[hislegacy]

And it works really well.

min some respects it does and in others it does not. Example. Check out how many people pay for supplemental insurance in Canada.

Then ask yourself why.

 

[Speedwell]

min some respects it does and in others it does not. Example. Check out how many people pay for supplemental insurance in Canada.

Then ask yourself why.

Probably for the same reason that people on Medicare in this country pay for supplemental insurance.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's the poor not the capitalists.

The poor do not do much of anything.
They certainly don't show up for work.

 

[hislegacy]

Probably for the same reason that people on Medicare in this country pay for supplemental insurance.

Correct, because the plan does not cover everything and they get better service with paid plans.

Socthey end up paying for it first with withholding taxes (30-50% in some countries) and then paying for supplemental.

Do you spend 30% of your gross income on medical bills?

I’m 60 and I don’t.

 

[Albion]

You aren't referring to the socialist Scandinavian countries are you?

They are not actually Socialist societies, although advocates of Socialism always want to present them as some ideal so that true Socialist countries like Venezuela and Cuba aren't mentioned instead.

 

[Tom 1]

Here's a thought - if you do not want to pay for water - don't

That is the beauty of capitalism.

That’s fine as long as water is freely available elsewhere. That isn’t always the case, even today. Capitalism without regulation ultimately leads to scarce resources for the privileged few, as in the long term resources get bought up, used up, or rendered unusable.

 

[Tom 1]

They are not actually Socialist societies, although advocates of Socialism always want to present them as some ideal so that true Socialist countries like Venezuela and Cuba aren't mentioned instead.

I think you are confusing terms. Apart from that, anyone in politics in the US who looks over his left shoulder is accused of being a ‘socialist’. Scandinavian govts blend social responsibility with politics, resulting in a kind of capitalism with some socialist orientations aimed at maintaining a society where people contribute to a greater good as well as their own welfare. I see that as being superior to the every man for himself approach.

 

[LostMarbels]

The poor do not do much of anything.
They certainly don't show up for work.

Couldnt be further than the truth.

 

[Albion]

Capitalism without regulation ultimately leads to scarce resources for the privileged few,

"Capitalism without regulation?" Hmm. You are moving in the right direction.

The notion that Socialism is the remedy for some unfettered, Dickens-era, system of private ownership is as unfair and untrue as if advocates of free enterprise were to label the existence of a government post office with the word "Socialism."

 

[Albion]

I think you are confusing terms. Apart from that, anyone in politics in the US who looks over his left shoulder is accused of being a ‘socialist’.

Well, then this ^ appears to be your complaint, not private ownership.

 

[Tom 1]

"Capitalism without regulation?" Hmm. You are moving in the right direction.

The notion that Socialism is the remedy for some unfettered, Dickens-era, system of private ownership is as unfair and untrue as if advocates of free enterprise were to label the existence of a government post office with the word "Socialism."

Yes, the best results on measures like quality of life, education and so on continue to be achieved where features most people think of as socialist are included in government.