The Law

[Lulav]

As usual,as per line one,you are getting personal,the sign of one loosing a debate. The jews still are stiffnecked,according to Stephen.

I am not getting personal and how can I be losing a debate that for one, I am not in, but two, you aren't even responding to what I write to you.

Again another one with the ill respect of G-ds word to reduce it to a win/loose situation.

If you are speaking of the Stephen who was stoned in the Book of Acts he was speaking of those Jews of that day, including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

 

[Lulav]

Not biblical. The tablets of stone passed away. We are under the ministry of the Spirit.

BTW- Jesus reiterated 9 of the 10 original commandments. The fourth commandment was fully fulfilled by Jesus and the rest written by the Spirit of the living God not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh. The letter kills but the spirit gives life.

So then they are bad and they kill you if they are written in stone by G-ds hand, but are good and bring life if written on your heart.

So if they are written on your heart that would mean you have no trouble keeping them, right? Yet how can something that no longer exists be written anywhere? If they are done away with, nailed to the cross, etc, it seems to be by pure logic that there is nothing to write on your heart???

 

[laconicstudent]

am not getting personal and how can I be losing a debate that for one, I am not in, but two, you aren't even responding to what I write to you.

Again another one with the ill respect of G-ds word to reduce it to a win/loose situation.

ah, such delicious irony.

If you are speaking of the Stephen who was stoned in the Book of Acts he was speaking of those Jews of that day, including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

yes it was? And?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ah, such delicious irony.

If you are speaking of the Stephen who was stoned in the Book of Acts he was speaking of those Jews of that day, including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

yes it was? And?

And received their due recompense

Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon and saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit"

Reve 16:21 And great Hail as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the men and blaspheme the God the men out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it, tremendous.
[Ezekiel 38:22]

 

[Fireinfolding]

The Tree of Life represents Jesus and the Tree of Knowledge represents the Law. One can eat of the Tree of life(Jesus) and live forever while the Tree of Knowledge(Law) brings death.

The Garden of Eden represents righteousness, where man lives in faith of God.
Adam and Eve chose to forsake righteousness and faith by embracing the Law and judgment for ones works.

Jesus fulfilled the demands of the Law so that all who have faith can live in righteousness. His works apply to all who live in faith, from the foundation of the world.

Those who embrace the Law, forsake grace.

Yeah thats why when Jesus said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, NOW WE KNOW that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

They couldnt discern between the two trees, the tree of life (= live for ever) Jesus Christ and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (thou shalt die) they saw Jesus as the Serpent (saying NOW WE KNOW thou hast a devil) for he said, "if a man keep my saying, he shall never taste death".

They were also looking at it after the flesh (dead bodies) not seeing they were already dead (after a spiritual truth) not after a carnal one.

 

[Yarddog]

If you fail to keep the Ten Commandments, you will perish in the lake of fire. I keep all Ten of them, by the power of the Holy Spirit within me. Which one do you not obey?

Jesus said, "" jOHN 14:15.

You must obey all Ten of them:

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

People who believe that they keep all of God's commands are only fooling themselves. The first time you get mad because you get cut off in traffic, or get angry at your spouse, look down the slightest bit at a person because of their skin color or the clothes that they wear, or one of a million different things things that we might do which causes us not to love our neighbor or enemy, then you failed to live by God's commands.

That is why we have the one who fulfilled the Law for us as our fulfillment. Jesus gave us the command to love and by loving, we fulfill the Law. When we have mercy, God has mercy on us.

It is not about obeying the 10, it is about loving.

 

[Hentenza]

So then they are bad and they kill you if they are written in stone by G-ds hand, but are good and bring life if written on your heart.

No one said that they were bad. Not sure where you got that from my post.

So if they are written on your heart that would mean you have no trouble keeping them, right?

LOL!!! No one could keep them when they were written in stone. Read the history of Israel. I am grateful and in awe that Jesus would save a wretched sinner like me. Grace is indeed the good news of the gospel.

Yet how can something that no longer exists be written anywhere?

Who said that they do not exist? Jesus himself said that not one jot of the law would pass away.

If they are done away with, nailed to the cross, etc, it seems to be by pure logic that there is nothing to write on your heart??

That would be true if the penalty of the law had not been fully paid by Jesus sacrifice but as we know and the scripture teaches, He paid the price in full.

 

[Hentenza]

....... including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

He is not your friend? Do you reject the God ordained apostle to the gentiles? Do you consider Paul's epistles God breathed scripture?

 

[bugkiller]

"The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than the honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is Thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward." Ps 19:7-11.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word" is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "statutes," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies." (Courtesy of Dr.R.C. Sproul)

GOD'S WORD IS HIS LAW.

The Old Testament version of being born again:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27. When His Spirit is within us, we are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

"O how I love Thy law! It is my meditation all the day. Thou through Thy commandments have made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me." Ps 119:97,98.

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Thy law is truth." Ps 119:142.

"Great peace have they which love Thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Ps 119:165.

"My son, keep My words, and lay up the commandments with thee.Keep My commandments and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye." Pro 7:1,2.

"Where there is no vision the people perish: but he that keepeth the law happy is he." Pro 29:18.

"Therefore as the fire devoured the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: Because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel." Isa 5:24.

"...I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people." Jer 31:33.

"The law of truth was in His mouth, and iniquity was not found in His lips: He walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from their iniquity. (lawlessness) Mal 2:6.

When Jesus gave us The Two Greatest Commandments, He was quoting the law:

"Then on of them which was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him, and saying, Master which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. This is the first and great commandment. (Deut 6:5) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:35-40.

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Rom 2:12,13.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good...For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal sold under sin...If then I do that which I would not, I consent that the law is good...For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity which is in my members...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Rom 7:12-27.

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law and offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For He that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." Ja 2:10,11.

"Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of good conscience, and of faith unfeigned...Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." 1 Tim 1:5-7.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

So what anybody can post scripture. What is your point?

bugkilller

 

[angelmom01]

So since it was given to the Jews, called the Oracles of G-d, then only they were lawless? The heathens/gentiles worshipping every demonic manifestation of false deities were lawful??? Doesn't make sense does it?

About about this, Adam was made without sin. G-d gave him one commandment. Did he give this commandment because Adam was lawless? Or did he give it because he is G-d and has the right to require certain behavior from his creation?

How does someone "made without sin" sin?

 

[Frogster]

Well, I haven't murdered anyone yet

yet?:o

Luke 18:20 The commandments thou have known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

James 5:6 Ye condemn, ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.
[Matt 27/Reve 9:21]

Revelation 9:21 And not they reform/repent out of the murders/fonwn <5408> of them, nor out from their sorceries

 

[Frogster]

People who believe that they keep all of God's commands are only fooling themselves. The first time you get mad because you get cut off in traffic, or get angry at your spouse, look down the slightest bit at a person because of their skin color or the clothes that they wear, or one of a million different things things that we might do which causes us not to love our neighbor or enemy, then you failed to live by God's commands.

That is why we have the one who fulfilled the Law for us as our fulfillment. Jesus gave us the command to love and by loving, we fulfill the Law. When we have mercy, God has mercy on us.

It is not about obeying the 10, it is about loving.

Yes,true liberty comes from the Spirit.

 

[Frogster]

I am not getting personal and how can I be losing a debate that for one, I am not in, but two, you aren't even responding to what I write to you.

Again another one with the ill respect of G-ds word to reduce it to a win/loose situation.

If you are speaking of the Stephen who was stoned in the Book of Acts he was speaking of those Jews of that day, including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

your most eminent moses and david were murderers too.

 

[laconicstudent]

your most eminent moses and david were murderers too.

Didn't one of the prophets have bears come and kill children for mocking him?

 

[Sherha]

Which Scripture do you disagree with? It's all Scripture. If you take God's name in vain, you will pay for it. When the Spirit of the Lord is within you, you are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Frogster your most eminent moses and david were murderers too.

Didn't one of the prophets have bears come and kill children for mocking him?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Hosea 13:8 I shall meet them as a bear bereaved of her whelps, and will rend enclosure of their heart; and I shall devour them there as a great-lion, animal of the field she shall rend them
[Daniel 7:5/Revelation 13:2]

Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations', according as it has been written.
[Psalm 74:10]

Reve 13:2 And the beast I saw was like a leopard, and the feet of it as of bear, and the mouth of it as mouth of lion. And gives to it, the dragon, the power of him and the throne of him and great authority.
[Hosea 3:8/Daniel 7:5]

 

[angelmom01]

Which Scripture do you disagree with? It's all Scripture. If you take God's name in vain, you will pay for it. When the Spirit of the Lord is within you, you are empowered to obey His Word/His law.

Which would not be in "letter" only, but IN SPIRIT, right? Not just do not kill, but do not even hate your brother, right?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Didn't one of the prophets have bears come and kill children for mocking him?

Yeah, Forty-two of them (little children) and two she bears I wonder what the significance of that is..?

 

[Sherha]

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, Keep My commandments." John 14:15.

Jesus said, "He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." John 14:21.

"By this we know that we love the children of God (Lev 19:18), when we love God (Deut 6:5) and keep His commandments. FOR THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2,3.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Lulav ....... including the most eminent present, your friend Paul who oversaw this murder.

He is not your friend? Do you reject the God ordained apostle to the gentiles? Do you consider Paul's epistles God breathed scripture?

Notice what the Judeans tried to do to Paul in Acts 23 after he was "converted" by Jesus

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 23:34 "Because of this behold! I am commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wisemen and Scribes. Out of them ye shall be killing/apokteneite <615> (5692) and ye shall be crucifying. And out of them ye shall be scourging in the Synagogues of ye and ye shall be persecuting/persuing from city into city"
[Matt 24:9]

John 7:1 And after these, Jesus was walking in the Galilee, for not He willed in the Judea to be walking, that the Judeans sought Him to kill/apokteinai <615> (5658).

Acts 23:14 Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say "to-anathema we anathematize ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killing/apokteinwmen <615> (5725) Paul."