The Last Saints

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Sir, please tell me what I said to make you think I am a false Christ?

The "My Gospel" nonsense is sufficient evidence for me.

So you think YOUR Gospel is the same as mine... LOL

Is the Catholic Gospel the same as the Protestant?
Is the Baptist Gospel the same as the Lutheran?

You embarrass yourself by not understanding there are MANY Gospels on earth
And this was understood (and taught) by the Apostles...
As JESUS warned of "false prophets"
infiltrating the Church.


Gal 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received,
let him be accursed.


Sir your problem is self-evident and it's a common problem
You think Biblical TRUTH is limited to what YOU understand...
and that is a ridiculous notion.

You cannot REFUTE anything I said
so you pretend that DENIAL is some "proof"
You embarrass yourself with that position.

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[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
You are not REJECTING my words... you are REJECTING Scripture.

Nah, I'm pretty sure it's your words, and your, shall we say novel interpretations of Scripture.

No sir.. that is just what you tell yourself to pretend you have a Biblical position... you do not.
That is proven by your inability to REFUTE a single word I said.

You are reduced to pretending that DENYING a doctrine
is the same as REFUTING it... LOL

You've proclaimed yourself a "Last Saint", and thus your interpretations of Scripture are infallibly correct.

And yet the Bible PROMISES there are Last Saints and they bring NEW INFORMATION.
Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10 PROVE this fact.

You are definiately REJECTING the Word of God...
do not pretend you are rejecting MY WORDS.
I did not write Daniel 12


Secondly... the fact that I know I am one of the Last Saints
DOES NOT prove my Gospel is not the True Gospel...

You need to REFUTE something I have said BEFORE you can pretend that...
and you cannot REFUTE a word... you can only DENY and pretend that is the same...
it is NOT.

and therefore can't understand Scripture at all.

You SAY that with your mouth...
and yet you cannot SHOW that with Scripture.

You cannot REFUTE a single word with Scripture
and yet you pretend DENIAL means something
your denial means LESS than nothing
.

So in effect you have declared yourself and any (in the unlikely event that there are any) who share your unique take on prophecy the only ones qualified to say what Scripture really means.

No... pay attention

It is the BIBLE (not me) that PROMISES the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies remain "closed-up" and "sealed"
to all Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End"

You do not have to LIKE this Biblical declaration... you can REJECT Scripture
You do not have to ACCEPT what the Word of God teaches in Daniel 12...
but your DENIAL does not negate Biblical Truth - as you pretend


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[5thKingdom]

Yeah, the phrase "my gospel" has a nasty ring to it, doesn't it?

To YOUR ears...
but that does not matter to TRUTH
Get over yourself

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[5thKingdom]

Which Bible did this come from?
'The remnant' are the two witnesses only:

The Bible... why do you pretend otherwise?
Can you not read?

The two witnesses "prophecy" for 1260 days (representing the Great Commission)
WHEN their "testimony is finished" they are "overcome" by Satan (during the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast)

THEN they are "killed"

THEN they are included in the FINAL HARVEST


Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.
And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


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[keras]

Who exactly are the 'Last Saints'?

Jeremiah 31:31-33 The days are coming when I shall make a New Covenant with Israel and Judah, ….this is the Covenant I will make with the Israelites in the latter days: I shall fix My Laws in their hearts and I will be their God and they will be My people.


The Reformers of the Church generally believed and taught that the Church was Israel. Therefore; all Church members were Israelites by faith.

However they didn’t make it clear who exactly the ‘church’ was and to allow anyone who wanted membership, some only after an intensive Bible course, some after a Baptism and some just if they made a donation, has led to much abuse and error within the established Church.

The Jewish people think they have the ancestral right to be God’s people and many today support them in this belief. It is an immutable tenet of the ‘rapture to heaven’ theory, where the Church goes to heaven, while the Jews face tribulation on earth.

This theory isn’t Biblical and contradicts God’s Plans for His faithful people; ALL those who have freely chosen to believe in Him and keep His Laws now; Jew and Gentile, people from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9
THEY are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 4:26-29, Galatians 6:14-16

John the Baptist told the Jews; God can raise up children for Abraham from these very stones. Matthew 3:9 and Paul said: A person is not a Jew, [Israelite] who is one outwardly, [ethnic descent] but only inwardly. [by the Spirit] Romans 2:29, Romans 11:13-24

Paul goes on to say: The Jews were cut off, because of unbelief….and Gentiles who are not Israelites by descent, are grafted in to the Olive Tree by belief in Jesus. Jesus said: The Kingdom is taken away from you Jews and given to the peoples who produce the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43


Only born again believers, circumcised in their hearts, confessing faith, with true repentance, like the Ethiopian eunuch, should become Church members, by full immersion Baptism as he and Jesus were. A public declaration of their commitment.

So the established Churches [I capitalize Churches as they are known entities- bricks and mortar] cannot claim to be the congregation [ecclesia] of God. It is only every individual who is: Crucified with Jesus and the life they now live is not their life, but that of Jesus who lives within them…., Galatians 2:20, who are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16

They are people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 7:9 All the faithful Christ following people, to whom the Promises and Blessings of God come to and those who will finally fulfil God’s desire for a nation, divided into 12 groups; they will produce the fruit of being His witnesses and the Light for the nations. Matthew 21:43, Matthew 5:14, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 49:8



When the letters to the seven Church types of Revelation 2:1-29 and Revelation 3:1-22 are read and understood, it will be seen that Jesus rewards the victorious or the overcomers, out of each of those Churches . This proves how not all who belong to a Church or those who think their ethnicity will save them, will be saved on the Day the Lord will judge and punish the nations. Isaiah 66:15-17....many will be slain by Him....
Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 24:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17

 

[5thKingdom]

Who exactly are the 'Last Saints'?

Jeremiah 31:31-33 The days are coming when I shall make a New Covenant with Israel and Judah, ….this is the Covenant I will make with the Israelites in the latter days: I shall fix My Laws in their hearts and I will be their God and they will be My people.

So you think the Last Saints are the Jewish Saints
and NOT the Saints in the Christian Kingdom of the Great Commission BEFORE the Last Saint is sealed
and NOT the Saints in the Great Tribulation Kingdom AFTER the Last Saint is sealed?

That is a strange notion that contradicts TONS of Scripture
and history (reality)

The Reformers of the Church generally believed and taught that the Church was Israel.

It does not matter WHAT the Reformers "generally believed" (not that I accept that premise)

It only matters WHAT the Bible teaches.

And the Bible teaches the CHURCH (also) represented
(1) The Saints in the Christian Kingdom of the Great Commission BEFORE the Last Saint is sealed
(2) The Saints in the Great Tribulation Kingdom (Revelation Beast) AFTER the Last Saint is sealed


The Bible REJECTS the notion that ONLY the Jewish Saints represented the Church...
frankly, I have never heard anyone else REJECT the Biblical teaching the Church represented the Saints
during the Great Commission... that is a new notion to me AND the Bible.

Therefore; all Church members were Israelites by faith.

Sir, the New Testament uses the word "Church" (over 70 times) to represent the Believers of Christ/
Please deal with this Biblical fact

However they didn’t make it clear who exactly the ‘church’ was and to allow anyone who wanted membership, some only after an intensive Bible course, some after a Baptism and some just if they made a donation, has led to much abuse and error within the established Church.

The Bible is clear the "Church" consists of BOTH

(1) the saved "wheat/sheep" sown by Jesus and destined to eternal life and
(2) the unsaved "tares/goats" sown by Satan and destined to eternal torment

You cannot understand WHAT comprises "the Church"
without understanding the "wheat and tares"

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In Matthew 13 the Lord Jesus reveals several different perspectives about the (3rd) New Testament "Kingdom of Heaven".
The Lord reveals [v3-8] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like a man sowing seed, and the Christian Gospel
is called [v19] the "Word of the Kingdom". The Lord reveals [v24-30] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) includes
both saved "wheat" (sown by Christ), and unsaved "tares" (sown by Satan). Moreover, these wheat and tares look very similar,
and they are allowed to grow together - until they are separated during the "Final Harvest", which occurs at the "End-of-the-Age".


The Lord reveals [v47-50] the "Kingdom of Heaven" (Christian Kingdom) is like casting a net to gather both good fish ("wheat")
and bad fish ("tares"), which are later separated during the "Final Harvest". And finally, the Lord reveals [v52] that the GOSPEL
of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" includes the Saints ("wheat") understanding the Harmony of Scripture between mysteries
which were revealed during the (2nd) Old Testament Kingdom (represented as "old treasure") and mysteries now being revealed
during the "testimony" of the Great Commission, during the (3rd) New Testament Kingdom (represented as being "new treasure").


(1) The "Kingdom of Heaven" is an earthly Kingdom

(2) The sower of good seed represents the Lord Jesus Christ

(3) The sower of bad seed represents Satan, the King of Babylon

(4) The "Word of the Kingdom" (the seed) is the Gospel of the New Testament

(5) The "field" represents the world, as the Gospel goes forth to both Jew and Gentile

(6) The "fruit" of the field (both wheat and tares) represents the (3rd) "Kingdom of Heaven"

(7) The "Word of the Kingdom" gathers good fish and bad fish during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom

(8) The (saved) "wheat" and the (unsaved) "tares" LOOK similar, and grow together until the End-of-the-Age

(9) At the End-of-the-Age, the "wheat and tares" (the good fish and bad fish) are separated during a "Harvest"


In Matthew 13 the Lord explains the THIRD "Kingdom of Heaven" (the Christian Kingdom -or- New Testament Church)
is an earthly Kingdom consisting of both (saved) "wheat" and (unsaved) "tares". This Biblical Truth also harmonizes with
the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares" within the "Kingdom" of national Israel and
the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom containing both saved "wheat" (shown as "Wise Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of IRON),
along with unsaved "tares" (shown as "Foolish Virgins" and "Toes/Kings" of CLAY), in the Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven".


In the Bible, the "Kingdom of Heaven" represents the many unsaved "tares", and/or the few saved "wheat"
associated with the "Word of the Kingdom" (preaching the Gospel) during the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth.
However, the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" contains only the "wheat" from each of those Four Kingdoms.
Again, notice the “Word of the Kingdom” (the Gospel) was unique in each of the “Kingdoms of Heaven” on earth.

The Jewish people think they have the ancestral right to be God’s people and many today support them in this belief.

The New Testament destroys that belief:

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

It is an immutable tenet of the ‘rapture to heaven’ theory, where the Church goes to heaven, while the Jews face tribulation on earth.

Sir, you do not get to prescribe WHAT is an "immutable tenet"..

If you think the Great Tribulation (Revelation Beast) ONLY includes Jewish Saints...
then provide SCRIPTURE to support that notion.

Otherwise, you have no Biblical support at all.

Only born again believers, circumcised in their hearts, confessing faith, with true repentance, like the Ethiopian eunuch, should become Church members, by full immersion Baptism as he and Jesus were. A public declaration of their commitment.

That is right... but NOT what happens.

First... Jesus PROMISED the church contains unsaved "tares/goats"

Second... Jesus PROMISED that false teachers would infiltrate the Chruch
and the "leaven" of their false doctrines would corrupt the Church.

Third... The Bible PROMISED the Christian Church consists of both "good and bad"

So the established Churches [I capitalize Churches as they are known entities- bricks and mortar] cannot claim to be the congregation [ecclesia] of God. It is only every individual who is: Crucified with Jesus and the life they now live is not their life, but that of Jesus who lives within them…., Galatians 2:20, who are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16

Yes, the Church consists of saved "wheat/sheep" from the Christian Kingdom (and NOT only Jewish Saints)

No, the Church is not ONLY the saved "wheat/sheep"... it also includes unsaved "tares/goats"
and all the false prophets that Jesus PROMISED would infiltrate.

You need to harmonize ALL RELATED passaged

When the letters to the seven Church types of Revelation 2:1-29 and Revelation 3:1-22 are read and understood, it will be seen that Jesus rewards the victorious or the overcomers, out of each of those Churches .

But NOT to those who do not overcome...
PROVING the "Church" does not consist of ONLY the saved "wheat" (the overcomers)

Your own "proof" contradicts your notion.
Why do you not "see" this?

This proves how not all who belong to a Church or those who think their ethnicity will save them, will be saved on the Day the Lord

So, one one hand you claim ONLY the saved are the Church
on the other hand you NOT everyone in the Church is saved.

Well... you have this correct
But that contradicts what you said before.


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[keras]

So, one one hand you claim ONLY the saved are the Church
on the other hand you NOT everyone in the Church is saved.

Well... you have this correct
But that contradicts what you said before.

You sadly misread my post.
What I believe, is that ethnicity has no bearing on ones faith and standing with God.

Revelation 7:9 makes it clear; the true peoples of God come from every tribe, race, nation and language.

There is only ONE people of God:
Not only does the bible not teach that there are two distinct peoples of God, ethnic Israel and the gentile Church, but it is very explicitly opposed to this idea. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 3:11

For one thing, the Church, defined as the group of true believers of God, existed in the Old Testament, long before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 7:38, and furthermore, the clear teaching of the New Testament is that the modern day Church is really just the joining with and the expansion of God's people that He originally chose.

According to Paul being an true Israelite has never been based on anything other than faith in God, Romans 2:28-29 & 9:6-8 and only those who have been called according to God's promise are Abraham's seed by faith. Romans 9:8

Hence, all who have [Christian] faith are Abraham's children, and are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 3:26-29

When Paul deals extensively with the whole question of the place of Jews and Gentiles in the people of God, in Romans 11, he shows that there is just one people, symbolized by one good olive tree; unbelieving individual Jews may be broken off of that tree of true Israel and believing individual Christian Gentiles may be grafted in; but there is still one tree, one body, one people of God. Paul teaches elsewhere that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ, but that all believers are members of the same body, citizens of the one Christian congregation of the Israelites of God and the inheritors of all the promises made to Abraham. Ephesians 2:11-22, 3:6, Galatians 4:26-31, Phil. 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-23

In short, there is and always has been just one people of God, and that people includes all those who are grafted in to God's “good olive tree” to become Abraham's children by faith, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, every true Christian believer. Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8, Psalms 73:1

 

[DavidPT]

You sadly misread my post.

Exactly! Which then makes one wonder how many times he has done that with Scriptures as well, sadly misread them?

 

[Jipsah]

To YOUR ears...
but that does not matter to TRUTH

Your "truth", presumably. Must be nice to be a self-ordained pontif, huh?

 

[Jipsah]

5thKingdom said:
You are not REJECTING my words... you are REJECTING Scripture.

Nope, I'm rejecting your words, which have only a passing relationship to Scripture. Your made up from whole cloth "gospel" is rubbish.

No sir.. that is just what you tell yourself to pretend you have a Biblical position... you do not.
That is proven by your inability to REFUTE a single word I said.

And you have never refuted my contention that the 200,000,000 cavalry of Revelation are actually riding motorcycles. Since you are unable to show one, single, solitary, line of Holy Writ that contradicts that assertion, then by your own contrived standards you must admit my interpretation of Revelation to be received truth. You made the rule, follow it.

You are reduced to pretending that DENYING a doctrine
is the same as REFUTING it... LOL

Just as you're doing with the motorcycles. Which, by the way, are Vincents. Deny away, matey. "He who lives by the made-up doctrine... is a ninnie." -- Brother Buford

Maybe you should have taken the advice of those - hundreds, wasn't it? - of emminent theologians who used your new improved Last Days "gospel" to line their bird cages.

And yet the Bible PROMISES there are Last Saints and they bring NEW INFORMATION.
Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10 PROVE this fact.

That's how I know about the motorcycles!

You are definiately REJECTING the Word of God...

Nope. Hate to break it to you matey, but you aren't God. For all I know you may not even be on good terms with God. And you sho nuff ain't no prophet, either. Don't come at me chucking any fraudulent "thus saith the Lords". "New revelations" like yours are two a penny, and the 'net is chockablock with them.

do not pretend you are rejecting MY WORDS.

No pretending necessary. Now pretending to be a prophet of some sort as you are, now that's pretending. And not doing a very convincing job of it, either.

I did not write Daniel 12

Or anything else that made any sense.

Secondly... the fact that I know I am one of the Last Saints

Personal revelation there, huh? What a surprise!

DOES NOT prove my Gospel is not the True Gospel...

You don't have a "gospel".
gospel
gŏs′pəl
noun

1. The proclamation of the redemption preached by Jesus and the Apostles, which is the central content of Christian revelation.
2. One of the first four New Testament books, describing the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus and recording his teaching.
3. A similar narrative

Your rubbish fits none of those definitions. You just made up a load of claptrap and call it "Your Gospel". "Your Delusion" would be a better name

You need to REFUTE something I have said BEFORE you can pretend that...
and you cannot REFUTE a word... you can only DENY and pretend that is the same...
it is NOT.

Vincent Black Shadows. One verse is all it takes.

No... pay attention

Pass. I can get all the pious-sounding drivel from self-proclaimed prophets that I need on Youtube.

It is the BIBLE (not me) that PROMISES the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies remain "closed-up" and "sealed"
to all Saints until the "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH during the "Time-of-the-End"

Then I have to conclude that: A) this isn't the "Time-of-the-End", B) you're not a Last Saint, or C) both A and B Your "gospel" is arrant rubbish.

You do not have to LIKE this Biblical declaration... you can REJECT Scripture
You do not have to ACCEPT what the Word of God teaches in Daniel 12...

Especially since the rubbish you're peddling has precisely nothing to do with either one. You sound like you're either self-deluded or just a plain vanilla grifter, but there could be other reasons for embracing these fantasies you're holding forth with here. I'm an engineer, not a mental health professional, so I'm unqualified to say which with any certainty. But the one unarguable fact is the stuff you're posting is hogwash (I got tired of typing "rubbish".

You are not REJECTING my words... you are REJECTING Scripture.

Still rubbish however oft repeated. ("Hogwash" just didn't have the same feel.)

No sir.. that is just what you tell yourself to pretend you have a Biblical position... you do not.
That is proven by your inability to REFUTE a single word I said.

Air cooled one-liter V twins, riders wearing team leathers.

Secondly... the fact that I know I am one of the Last Saints
DOES NOT prove my Gospel is not the True Gospel...

There's an old guy who hangs around 5th and Church streets in Nashville who knows with absolute certainty that he's the duly elected governor of Tennessee. I'll generally slip him finif and talk to him for a few minutes when I'm down that way. He's always just a couple of weeks away from a court decision that will remove the current acting governor from office and place Jim (not his name but close enough) in the office he righfully holds. Sometimes, though, he's a couple of weeks from a record deal that will bring him in a billion bucks(his estimate) in cash in short order, at which point he'll make it up to all his loyal supporters like me. It hope the second one happens, but that ain't the way to bet. You remind me a lot of him, except that he's a lot less self-important.

 

[5thKingdom]

You sadly misread my post.

It was confusing

What I believe, is that ethnicity has no bearing on ones faith and standing with God.

There is no doubt about that

There is only ONE people of God:
Not only does the bible not teach that there are two distinct peoples of God, ethnic Israel and the gentile Church, but it is very explicitly opposed to this idea. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 3:11

But that is just another STRAWMAN since I never indicated otherwise.

For one thing, the Church, defined as the group of true believers of God, existed in the Old Testament, long before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 7:38, and furthermore, the clear teaching of the New Testament is that the modern day Church is really just the joining with and the expansion of God's people that He originally chose.

Yes, the Jews were His "church" during the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" specifcally NAMED by Jesus in Mat 22:2

According to Paul being an true Israelite has never been based on anything other than faith in God, Romans 2:28-29 & 9:6-8 and only those who have been called according to God's promise are Abraham's seed by faith. Romans 9:8

According to God not Paul
Paul spoke under the Holy Spirit.


But what about all the OTHER STUFF in my comment?
Do you intentionally ignore 90% of my comment?
Why?


If we are to have a "conversation" then you must respond to my words, and me to your words.
Otherwise, if you cherry-pick what you will respond... we do not have a "discussion" we only have you preaching to yourself.


Please go back and RESPOND to all my points.
THAT is how a "conversation" works.

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[5thKingdom]

Nope, I'm rejecting your words, which have only a passing relationship to Scripture. Your made up from whole cloth "gospel" is rubbish.

Everything I say is supported with Scripture.
You pretend otherwise because you must

The POINT is you cannot REFUTE a single word...
so you have no basis for talking any more.
You only express your "feelings"
They mean nothing

You continue to embarrass yourself.
Nothing more

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[5thKingdom]

Your "truth", presumably. Must be nice to be a self-ordained pontif, huh?

Everything I say is supported with Scripture.
nothing "self-ordained" with that.

Again you embarrass yourself.
It is sad.

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[Timtofly]

You are very confused.
The teaching about a "rapture" is an event BEFORE the Coming of the Lord... before the Great Tribulation
The "Final Harvest" happens AFTER the Great Tribulation... at the Coming of the Lord.

You are conflating TWO different events

Jim

No, the final harvest happens during the Trumpets and Thunders after the Second Coming in the 6th Seal. The church is removed at the 6th Seal. The church is not the final harvest. Those left on earth harvested by the angels is the final harvest.

The Second Coming only happens one time. The battle of Armageddon is not the Second Coming. That battle is at the end of Satan's 42 months, and is the end of his empire on earth, forever.

If you think the church hangs out waiting for angels to remove the soul from Adam's dead corruptible flesh, then you are not reading Paul correctly in Corinthians nor Thessalonians. The church is caught up into the air, not "man handled" by angels like the sheep, goats, wheat, and tares.

It is an angel that seals the 144k, not church members. A church member does not fly around sealing the 144k. A church member does not carry out the final harvest per Matthew 13. Do you think the soul can reach heaven now, or is each soul carried by an angel, or better yet, does a church member carry the soul to heaven? Why do you have the church doing the work of the angels? The church currently sows the seed, and that is considered a harvest. But the harvest is not the soul going to heaven in the church age. The final harvest is not of the church. The final harvest is the firstfruits of the Millennial Reign on earth with Christ. The final harvest is angels literally removing the soul from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. These sheep and wheat are given permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They return with Christ after the 42 months to Armageddon. They are not the church, because the church is glorified and remains in Paradise.

The church cannot procreate, but are like the angels. The final harvest will procreate and subdue the earth for 1,000 years. You know all the verses and done the study. Your application is slightly off. There is no sin in the Millennium.

 

[DavidPT]

It is an angel that seals the 144k, not church members. A church member does not fly around sealing the 144k. A church member does not carry out the final harvest per Matthew 13. Do you think the soul can reach heaven now, or is each soul carried by an angel, or better yet, does a church member carry the soul to heaven? Why do you have the church doing the work of the angels?

LOL!! That's some of the funniest stuff I have heard in a long time. But at least it adequetly debunks any interpretation insisting church members are doing those things, that's for sure. Of course though, if a church member has their own private jet, that might explain how they fly around. But it wouldn't explain how they seal anyone, though.

 

[keras]

People who think the Church ; the Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language, are different from some other group of God's people, try to make out there are more than one people of God.
Refuted by: John 17:20-23, Romans 2:10-11. Ephesians 2:11-18, Colossians 3:11

We Christians never go to live in heaven. We are on earth when Satan conquers us; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8, Zechariah 1`4:1-2
We are here when Jesus Returns and He sends His angels to bring us to where He will be: in Jerusalem for the next thousand years.

 

[Timtofly]

LOL
Rev 20:4 is talking about the Beast WHILE Satan is in the Pit.
Do you REALLY think the Revelation Beast [Rev 13] exists WHILE Satan is in the Pit?

That is hilarious.
Do you NOT see how ridiculous that is?

Revelation 20:4 is not talking about when Satan is bound. Those beheaded were given life and reigned with Christ while Satan was bound. They were given new permanent incorruptible physical bodies, while Satan is in the pit.

They were beheaded in the 42 months prior to Satan being bound. Satan has not been bound in the pit yet, not ever. Those 42 months have not happened where they are even beheaded. Satan has to be given authority first. Satan does not have that authority to require the mark of the beast, at this time, nor in the past.

 

[Jipsah]

Everything I say is supported with Scripture.
nothing "self-ordained" with that.

Supported by what you think, or at least claim you think, the Scripture "means",based on your infallibility as a "Last Saint". Patent made-up-from-whole-cloth nonsense from start to finish.

The POINT is you cannot REFUTE a single word...

Still waiting for your refutation of the motorcycles in Revelation. Until then your doctrine is fraudulent by your own standards.

You continue to embarrass yourself.
Nothing more

Vincent Black Shadows. Terrific bike, don't you think? <ROFL>

 

[Jipsah]

Do you intentionally ignore 90% of my comment?
Why?

The real question is why he doesn't ignore all of it as the nonsense that it is.

 

[5thKingdom]

The real question is why he doesn't ignore all of it as the nonsense that it is.

Again you pretend you personal "feelings" establish Biblical Truth.
you embarrass yourself.

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