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This information has remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all saints – until it’s revealed to the Last Saints


The Last Saints


The Bible uses the word “Saint” to refer to “saved” people. Many of the Epistles of the New Testament
are specifically addressed “to the Saints” in different areas and, by extension, to “all the Saints” throughout
the “Church Age”. These Epistles were written to “the churches” of the day, and they were for “the churches
existing throughout the Great Commission of the Christian “Kingdom”… until the “End of the Age” [Mt 28:18-20].
The Great Commission of Christian “Saints” continues until the “End of the Age”. The question now becomes:
When is this “End of the Age” and what happens to the “Saints” after that? This is all explained a little later.


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the End of the Age. Amen.



The term “Last Saint” is limited to only the “Saints” who are still alive when the Lord Jesus Christ Returns.
The CONTEXT of the Last Saints is the “Time-of-the-End”. Only the Last Saints can reveal the fulfillment
of prophetic events (“signs”) about the Great Tribulation period and the 7-Headed Revelation Beast - including
truths about the “Mark of the Beast”, the “Image” which must be worshipped… and the Battle of Armageddon.
The Last Saints are even able to NAME the person which the Bible calls the “Little Horn” or “False Prophet”,
the “Man of Sin”, which is eventually “revealed” [2Thes 2:3, 8], a man most commonly known as THE Anti-Christ.


2Th 2:1, 3, 8
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that Man of Sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 8 And THEN [at the time of the great falling away]

shall that Wicked [Man of Sin] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:



(1) The Bible makes several promises about these Last Saints. It promises the Last Saints continue on earth until
the Lord’s Return. In fact, the Last Saints never die. Instead, we are “changed” into our incorruptible and immortal
spiritual bodies “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye”, at the sound of the Last Trump and resurrection of the dead.
There are real “Saints” on earth right now! And there will be real “Saints” on earth until the time of the Lord’s Return.
This has always been an essential doctrine in Christian theology, this is NOT new information, it’s accepted revelation.


1Co 15:51-53
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we [Last Saints] shall be changed. For this
corruptible [body] must put on incorruption, and this mortal [body] must put on immortality.



* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying


(2) Since the Last Saints are living at the Last Trump and the resurrection of the dead, that means they
were able to be eyewitnesses to the historical fulfillment of ALL prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.
In fact, that’s exactly what Jesus promised within His end-time prophecies in Matthew chapters 24 and 25.
Jesus said the Last Saints “shall see ALL these things”, meaning historical fulfillment of ALL His prophecies.
The Last Saints “shall see” the historical fulfillment of all Great Tribulation and Revelation prophecies, since the
historical fulfillment of those prophecies all occur sometime before the Last Saints are “changed” at the Last Trump.


Mat 24:33
So likewise ye [Last Saints], when YE SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS,
[He just prophesied] know that it [His Return] is near, even at the doors.



This means the Last Saints “shall see” the historical fulfillment of Daniel’s “Abomination of Desolation” [Mat 24:15].
They “shall see” the historical fulfillment of all prophecies about the Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 25:1],
including historical fulfillment of events “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” [Mat 24:29]. These Last Saints
are called the “Wise Virgins” [Mat 25:1-13] and they see the historical fulfillment of “Time-of-the-End” events which
were prophesied about themselves … events prophesied as happening while the Last Saints are living on earth.


Luk 21:28
And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads;
for your redemption draweth nigh.



Because the Last Saints “shall see all these things”, they are able to explain the fulfillment of all the prophecies
about Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom – the Revelation Beast – or the Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 25:1].
They can explain, with great specificity, details about the fulfillment of all prophecies on Satan’s “Little Season”.
Their testimony (Gospel) provides NEW details on the who/what/when/where of “Time-of-the-End” prophecies.


They reveal the “Mark of the Beast”, the “Image” that’s worshiped and details on the Battle of Armageddon.
The Last Saints even NAME the person the Bible calls the “Little Horn”, “False Prophet”, or “Man of Sin”.
a person commonly known as THE Anti-Christ. Jesus promised they “shall see all these things” fulfilled
long before they’re “changed” at the resurrection. This is an important concept we must understand.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.


(3) The Last Saints are also able to understand the historical fulfillment of prophecies which the Bible promised
would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the “Saints” until the “Time-of-the-End” (or “Season and Time”)
after the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom on earth. Only the Last Saints “shall understand” the historical
fulfillment of prophecies about the Fourth Kingdom on earth – and about events in the “Time-of-the-End”.


Jewish Saints never understood “Time-of-the-End” prophecies and the Christian Church never understood
Time-of-the-End” prophecies. Those prophecies remained “closed-up” and “sealed” from all the “Saints”,
until the Last Saints “shall understand”. There is no way to Biblically refute this critically important PART
of the Gospel, because the Bible is so absolutely clear about WHEN the (Last) Saints “shall understand”.
The Last Saints “shall understand” Biblical mysteries at the “Time-of-the-End”. That is very clear.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the Time-of-the-End:
many shall run to and fro, and knowledge
[about sealed prophecies] shall be increased.


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the Time-of-the-End.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.


The Bible promises understanding of “Time-of-the-End” prophecies would remain “closed-up” and “sealed
to all the “Saints” until understanding is revealed to the Last Saints [Dan 12:8-10]. History confirms this reality
as Jewish “Saints” thought “Time-of-the-End” prophecies applied to their (2nd) Jewish “Kingdom of Heaven
[Mat 22:2]. And the Christian “Saints” thought “Time-of-the-End” prophecies applied to their (3rd) Christian
Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 13]. In fact, only Saints in the (4th) Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mt 25:1]
can understand the fulfillment of prophecies on the “Time-of-the-End”, since all “Time-of-the-End” prophecies
are about events occurring during, and after, Daniel’s Fourth (Revelation and/or Great Tribulation) “Kingdom”.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.
* The Last Saints “shall understand” prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.


(4) The Last Saints are called the “Wise Virgins” that “went forth” from the (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven
as they followed the “Little Horn” or the “False Prophet” into the (4th) Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven”.
The Last Saints were saved during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom, then they are “harvested
(with foolish virgins), when the last “wheat and tares” departed their churches, following the Anti-Christ
into Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth.


Mat 25:1-2
THEN
shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the Bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].


The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Fourth Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


Unfortunately, the Bible promises no Saint would ever understand the context of Daniel’s Four Kingdoms until
the Last Saints “shall understand” these things, during a time specifically named the “Time-of-the-End” [Dan 12:8-10].
Therefore, an important PART of the Gospel of the Bible remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the “Saints” in both
the (2nd) Jewish “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 22:2] and (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 13:24, 31, 33, 44, 45, 47, 52]
until those “sealed” Biblical mysteries are finally revealed to the Last Saints during a period named the “Time-of-the-End”.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.
* The Last Saints “shall understand” prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.
* The Last Saints “went forth” into the Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


We have seen how Christ promised He would be with the Christian “Saints” throughout the Great Commission
of the Church Age – until a time named the “End of the Age”. And we have seen how the Gospel of the Bible
teaches mysteries about the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the
Jewish “Saints” and all the Christian “Saints” until the mysteries are revealed to the Last Saints during a period
of time specifically named the “Time-of-the-End”.


Already we can now see the Gospel of the Bible teaches the “End of the Age” (end of the Great Commission)
precedes the time when understanding about Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” is revealed to the Last Saints
during the “Time-of-the-End”. Therefore, we can know that the “Time-of-the-End” comes sometime after the
End of the Age”, or sometime after the end of the Great Commission of the Christian Church Age.


Moreover, we have seen how the Gospel of the Bible teaches the Last Saints “shall see” historical fulfillment
of prophecies of the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth. How the Last Saints “shall understand” Biblical mysteries,
about the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” during a period named the “Time-of-the-End”. And how the Last Saints continue
to live on earth until they are “changed” (without ever dying) at the Return of the Lord and the resurrection of the dead.


Soon we will explain more “sealed” mysteries about the Four “Kingdoms/Beasts” on earth, showing how
the History of Man is simply a reflection of God’s Salvation Plan over four temporal “Kingdoms” on earth,
before He establishes the (5th) Eternal “Kingdom of Heaven”.


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Tribulation Saints are The Last Saints

After all believers in Christ are raptured away to heaven, the people who come to faith in Christ will become what is commonly called tribulation saints. The Bible predicts that a huge number of people will be saved during the tribulation hour. Rev 7:9 describes the number as a “great multitude, which no man could number.”

The Bible repeatedly states that tribulation saints will face a strong likelihood of being martyred under the Antichrist’s demonic rule. The reason why they are called tribulation saints is because most of them will have to pay the ultimate price for their faith. There are several passages that warn how rough it will be for Christians to endure the tribulation:

“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations” (Rev 13:7).

“He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints” (Rev 13:10).

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed” (Rev 13:15).

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them” (Rev 14:12-13).

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Rev 20:4).
 
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After all believers in Christ are raptured away to heaven,
The Pre trib rapture I don't think is going to happen? :scratch:
I think the Pre Trib rapture (concept) is going to end up being a stumbling block for many and it very well could cause many to fall away.
All we Can do in the end is Pray without ceasing and keep our eyes on the LORD no matter what happens.
 
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The Pre trib rapture I don't think is going to happen? :scratch:
I think the Pre Trib rapture (concept) is going to end up being a stumbling block for many and it very well could cause many to fall away.
All we Can do in the end is Pray without ceasing and keep our eyes on the LORD no matter what happens.


There is no "rapture" taught in the Bible.


All the verses people THINK represent a rapture are really talking about the Final Harvest.
The Bible ALWAYS taught the Saints being "gathered" to Christ happens AFTER the Great Tribulation...
when the "Man of Sin" is "revealed" to the Last Saints:


2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


The CONTEXT of the passage is WHEN the "Coming of our Lord" happens and WHEN is our "gathering together unto Him"


2Th 2:2 -3
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first
, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


The Coming of the Lord and our "gathering together unto Him" CANNOT HAPPEN
until there is a great "falling away" AND the "Man of Sin" is actually "revealed"
Obviously, the "Man of Sin" is not "revealed" BEFORE the Great Tribulation.


The Bible NEVER teaches a pre-tribulation "rapture".


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This information has remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all saints – until it’s revealed to the Last Saints


The Last Saints


The Bible uses the word “Saint” to refer to “saved” people. Many of the Epistles of the New Testament
are specifically addressed “to the Saints” in different areas and, by extension, to “all the Saints” throughout
the “Church Age”. These Epistles were written to “the churches” of the day, and they were for “the churches
existing throughout the Great Commission of the Christian “Kingdom”… until the “End of the Age” [Mt 28:18-20].
The Great Commission of Christian “Saints” continues until the “End of the Age”. The question now becomes:
When is this “End of the Age” and what happens to the “Saints” after that? This is all explained a little later.


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the End of the Age. Amen.



The term “Last Saint” is limited to only the “Saints who are still alive when the Lord Jesus Christ Returns.

Now, if you can show me where that is found in Scripture,
apart from which it is simply a construct of man without basis for belief regarding anything stated about it,
that would be helpful.

The CONTEXT of the Last Saints is the “Time-of-the-End”. Only the Last Saints can reveal the fulfillment
of prophetic events (“signs”) about the Great Tribulation period and the 7-Headed Revelation Beast - including
truths about the “Mark of the Beast”, the “Image” which must be worshipped… and the Battle of Armageddon.
The Last Saints are even able to NAME the person which the Bible calls the “Little Horn” or “False Prophet”,
the “Man of Sin”, which is eventually “revealed” [2Thes 2:3, 8], a man most commonly known as THE Anti-Christ.


2Th 2:1, 3, 8
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and that Man of Sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 8 And THEN [at the time of the great falling away]

shall that Wicked [Man of Sin] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:



(1) The Bible makes several promises about these Last Saints. It promises the Last Saints continue on earth until
the Lord’s Return. In fact, the Last Saints never die. Instead, we are “changed” into our incorruptible and immortal
spiritual bodies “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye”, at the sound of the Last Trump and resurrection of the dead.
There are real “Saints” on earth right now! And there will be real “Saints” on earth until the time of the Lord’s Return.
This has always been an essential doctrine in Christian theology, this is NOT new information, it’s accepted revelation.


1Co 15:51-53
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we [Last Saints] shall be changed. For this
corruptible [body] must put on incorruption, and this mortal [body] must put on immortality.



* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying


(2) Since the Last Saints are living at the Last Trump and the resurrection of the dead, that means they
were able to be eyewitnesses to the historical fulfillment of ALL prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.
In fact, that’s exactly what Jesus promised within His end-time prophecies in Matthew chapters 24 and 25.
Jesus said the Last Saints “shall see ALL these things”, meaning historical fulfillment of ALL His prophecies.
The Last Saints “shall see” the historical fulfillment of all Great Tribulation and Revelation prophecies, since the
historical fulfillment of those prophecies all occur sometime before the Last Saints are “changed” at the Last Trump.


Mat 24:33
So likewise ye [Last Saints], when YE SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS,
[He just prophesied] know that it [His Return] is near, even at the doors.



This means the Last Saints “shall see” the historical fulfillment of Daniel’s “Abomination of Desolation” [Mat 24:15].
They “shall see” the historical fulfillment of all prophecies about the Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 25:1],
including historical fulfillment of events “immediately after the Tribulation of those days” [Mat 24:29]. These Last Saints
are called the “Wise Virgins” [Mat 25:1-13] and they see the historical fulfillment of “Time-of-the-End” events which
were prophesied about themselves … events prophesied as happening while the Last Saints are living on earth.


Luk 21:28
And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads;
for your redemption draweth nigh.



Because the Last Saints “shall see all these things”, they are able to explain the fulfillment of all the prophecies
about Daniel’s Fourth Kingdom – the Revelation Beast – or the Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 25:1].
They can explain, with great specificity, details about the fulfillment of all prophecies on Satan’s “Little Season”.
Their testimony (Gospel) provides NEW details on the who/what/when/where of “Time-of-the-End” prophecies.


They reveal the “Mark of the Beast”, the “Image” that’s worshiped and details on the Battle of Armageddon.
The Last Saints even NAME the person the Bible calls the “Little Horn”, “False Prophet”, or “Man of Sin”.
a person commonly known as THE Anti-Christ. Jesus promised they “shall see all these things” fulfilled
long before they’re “changed” at the resurrection. This is an important concept we must understand.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.


(3) The Last Saints are also able to understand the historical fulfillment of prophecies which the Bible promised
would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the “Saints” until the “Time-of-the-End” (or “Season and Time”)
after the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom on earth. Only the Last Saints “shall understand” the historical
fulfillment of prophecies about the Fourth Kingdom on earth – and about events in the “Time-of-the-End”.


Jewish Saints never understood “Time-of-the-End” prophecies and the Christian Church never understood
Time-of-the-End” prophecies. Those prophecies remained “closed-up” and “sealed” from all the “Saints”,
until the Last Saints “shall understand”. There is no way to Biblically refute this critically important PART
of the Gospel, because the Bible is so absolutely clear about WHEN the (Last) Saints “shall understand”.
The Last Saints “shall understand” Biblical mysteries at the “Time-of-the-End”. That is very clear.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the Time-of-the-End:
many shall run to and fro, and knowledge
[about sealed prophecies] shall be increased.


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the Time-of-the-End.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.


The Bible promises understanding of “Time-of-the-End” prophecies would remain “closed-up” and “sealed
to all the “Saints” until understanding is revealed to the Last Saints [Dan 12:8-10]. History confirms this reality
as Jewish “Saints” thought “Time-of-the-End” prophecies applied to their (2nd) Jewish “Kingdom of Heaven
[Mat 22:2]. And the Christian “Saints” thought “Time-of-the-End” prophecies applied to their (3rd) Christian
Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 13]. In fact, only Saints in the (4th) Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mt 25:1]
can understand the fulfillment of prophecies on the “Time-of-the-End”, since all “Time-of-the-End” prophecies
are about events occurring during, and after, Daniel’s Fourth (Revelation and/or Great Tribulation) “Kingdom”.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.
* The Last Saints “shall understand” prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.


(4) The Last Saints are called the “Wise Virgins” that “went forth” from the (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven
as they followed the “Little Horn” or the “False Prophet” into the (4th) Great Tribulation “Kingdom of Heaven”.
The Last Saints were saved during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom, then they are “harvested
(with foolish virgins), when the last “wheat and tares” departed their churches, following the Anti-Christ
into Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth.


Mat 25:1-2
THEN
shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the Bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].



The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Fourth Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


Unfortunately, the Bible promises no Saint would ever understand the context of Daniel’s Four Kingdoms until
the Last Saints “shall understand” these things, during a time specifically named the “Time-of-the-End” [Dan 12:8-10].
Therefore, an important PART of the Gospel of the Bible remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the “Saints” in both
the (2nd) Jewish “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 22:2] and (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven” [Mat 13:24, 31, 33, 44, 45, 47, 52]
until those “sealed” Biblical mysteries are finally revealed to the Last Saints during a period named the “Time-of-the-End”.


* The Last Saints are living on earth when the Lord Returns, they are “changed” without dying.
* The Last Saints “shall see all these things” that Jesus prophesied about His Return.
* The Last Saints “shall understand” prophecies about the “Time-of-the-End”.
* The Last Saints “went forth” into the Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.


We have seen how Christ promised He would be with the Christian “Saints” throughout the Great Commission
of the Church Age – until a time named the “End of the Age”. And we have seen how the Gospel of the Bible
teaches mysteries about the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth would remain “closed-up” and “sealed” to all the
Jewish “Saints” and all the Christian “Saints” until the mysteries are revealed to the Last Saints during a period
of time specifically named the “Time-of-the-End”.


Already we can now see the Gospel of the Bible teaches the “End of the Age” (end of the Great Commission)
precedes the time when understanding about Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” is revealed to the Last Saints
during the “Time-of-the-End”. Therefore, we can know that the “Time-of-the-End” comes sometime after the
End of the Age”, or sometime after the end of the Great Commission of the Christian Church Age.


Moreover, we have seen how the Gospel of the Bible teaches the Last Saints “shall see” historical fulfillment
of prophecies of the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” on earth. How the Last Saints “shall understand” Biblical mysteries,
about the Fourth “Kingdom/Beast” during a period named the “Time-of-the-End”. And how the Last Saints continue
to live on earth until they are “changed” (without ever dying) at the Return of the Lord and the resurrection of the dead.


Soon we will explain more “sealed” mysteries about the Four “Kingdoms/Beasts” on earth, showing how
the History of Man is simply a reflection of God’s Salvation Plan over four temporal “Kingdoms” on earth,
before He establishes the (5th) Eternal “Kingdom of Heaven”.


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Now, if you can show me where that is found in Scripture,
Matthew 11:25-26
A scripture proved by the plethora of weird and wonderful theories about what God plans to do in our future.
Daniel 12:10b does say a few will understand. But most won't, because they have fixed beliefs of what they want God to do for them.
 
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Now, if you can show me where that is found in Scripture,
apart from which it is simply a construct of man without basis for belief regarding anything stated about it,
that would be helpful.


Your comment is with regard to my statement that:
The term “Last Saint” is limited to only the “Saints who are still alive when the Lord Jesus Christ Returns.
Now, I will be glad to show you where in Scripture the Last Saints are the ones alive when the Lord Returns


Example #1


1Co 15:50-53
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Example #2


1Th 4:15-18
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


Now, here are five (5) examples of the Last Saints being gathered to the Lord JUST BEFORE destruction of (a) the Revelation Beast...
also shown as (b) Daniel's Fourth Beast and (c) the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] and
(d) the RULE of the Anti-Christ during (e) Satan's "Little Season" after he is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit.


Example #3


In Matthew 25 destruction of the Fourth Kingdom of "Babylon the Great" is shown [v.10] when the "Door was Shut".
The "Final Harvest" of the “Wise Virgins” is shown [v.10] as they are taken into the "Marriage" saying;
"they that were ready went in with Him to the Marriage: and the Door was Shut".


Example #4


In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".


Example #5


In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!


Example #6


In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.


Example #7


In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom
". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4


I hope these seven (7) examples of events happening to the Last Saints JUST BEFORE the Revelation Beast is destroyed
are enough to satisfy you. If not... I have other examples.


However, it should just be LOGICAL for Saints to understand the Last Saints are those alive on earth
when the Lord Returns.


I hope this helps you.


Jim

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Your comment is with regard to my statement that:
The term “Last Saint” is limited to only the “Saints who are still alive when the Lord Jesus Christ Returns.
Now, I will be glad to show you where in Scripture the Last Saints are the ones alive when the Lord Returns
Example #1 - 1Co 15:50-53
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Example #2 - 1Th 4:15-18
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Now, here are five (5) examples of the Last Saints being gathered to the Lord JUST BEFORE destruction of (a) the Revelation Beast...
also shown as (b) Daniel's Fourth Beast and (c) the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] and
(d) the RULE of the Anti-Christ during (e) Satan's "Little Season" after he is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit.
Example #3 - In Matthew 25 destruction of the Fourth Kingdom of "Babylon the Great" is shown [v.10] when the "Door was Shut".
The "Final Harvest" of the “Wise Virgins” is shown [v.10] as they are taken into the "Marriage" saying;
"they that were ready went in with Him to the Marriage: and the Door was Shut".
Example #4 - In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen".
The "Final Harvest" of “Wise Virgins”, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands
the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And the Last Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice"
over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".
Example #5 - In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are
"cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God”.
Then [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb".
Again we see, [v.2] when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon" He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
This FULFILLS a promise God made to earlier Saints – in completion of the Fifth Seal [Rev 6:9-11]. This is important!
Example #6 - In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest"
is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud".
Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time,
the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIMING of this event – it is just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.
Example #7 - In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall
take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the
Kingdom
". In Daniel 7 the Bible actually reveals the NAME of this period on earth after the "Final Harvest",
after destruction of the Fourth Beast. The Bible [Dan 7:11-12] specifically names this period the "Season and Time".
Here we see the “Time-of-the-End” is also shown as the “Season and Time” after the Fourth Beast is destroyed.4

I hope these seven (7) examples of events happening to the Last Saints JUST BEFORE the Revelation Beast is destroyed
are enough to satisfy you. If not... I have other examples.
However, it should just be LOGICAL for Saints to understand the Last Saints are those alive on earth
when the Lord Returns.
I hope this helps you.

Well done. . .

So you mean those whose bodies are alive for the resurrection, for all the saints' spirits are alive and have never died.

However, all saints' bodies will be alive at the resurrection, to ascend to meet the Lord in the air, and to descend to earth with him for the judgment of the sheep and the goats.
 
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Now, here are five (5) examples of the Last Saints being gathered to the Lord JUST BEFORE destruction of (a) the Revelation Beast...
also shown as (b) Daniel's Fourth Beast and (c) the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] and
(d) the RULE of the Anti-Christ during (e) Satan's "Little Season" after he is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit.
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What I can't figure out is why you are not factoring in any of what I have underlined below, how you are getting around any of that?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands ; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

One thing this tells us is this. The fact they are martyred for refusing to worship the beast and what all that involves, such as refusing the mark, they are martyred before satan is ever loosed from the pit. It also tells us that they are martyred during the rule of the Anti-Christ, since it is ludricrous that when they are martyred, none of this is involving what is recorded in Revelation 13, which also records the 42 month reign of the beast, the rule of the AC. Which then means you are incorrect to place that rule after the thousand years if that rule is already in affect when they are martyred. You are not going to argue that they, meaning the martyrs I have underlined in Revelation 20:4, are martyred while the beast is not even active in the earth at the time, thus when it is in the pit, are you?
 
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This information has remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all saints – until it’s revealed to the Last Saints

Now, if you can show me where that is found in Scripture,
I believe it is clearly revealed, or rather was clearly revealed, to Jesus, and from Jesus to all the messengers/apostles,prophets,teachers/ in the time He was with them.
 
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One thing this tells us is this. The fact they are martyred for refusing to worship the beast and what all that involves, such as refusing the mark, they are martyred before satan is ever loosed from the pit.
Not necessarily. I'm not sure posting here though concerning this is in line with this thread/op.
 
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What I can't figure out is why you are not factoring in any of what I have underlined below, how you are getting around any of that?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands ; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

One thing this tells us is this. The fact they are martyred for refusing to worship the beast and what all that involves, such as refusing the mark, they are martyred before satan is ever loosed from the pit. It also tells us that they are martyred during the rule of the Anti-Christ, since it is ludricrous that when they are martyred, none of this is involving what is recorded in Revelation 13, which also records the 42 month reign of the beast, the rule of the AC. Which then means you are incorrect to place that rule after the thousand years if that rule is already in affect when they are martyred. You are not going to argue that they, meaning the martyrs I have underlined in Revelation 20:4, are martyred while the beast is not even active in the earth at the time, thus when it is in the pit, are you?


Yes, they were martyred for refusing to worship the "Beast", for refusing to worship the "Image" and for refusing
to take the "Mark". But it DOES NOT say they were martyred during the rule of the Anti-Christ (you assume that).

Before you can understand WHEN those saints were martyred you must first be able to DEFINE the "Beast" and
the "Image" and the "Mark"... but you cannot DEFINE the meaning of those terms. Therefore you must ASSUME
they lived during the Great Tribulation and/or Revelation Beast. But they did not.

If we want to discuss WHEN those saints are martyred we must FIRST agree of the definition of
the "Beast" (for there are four (4) "Beasts" that arise on earth) and the "Image" and the "Mark"...
if we cannot DEFINE those words then we are just guessing about the CONTEXT of those saints.


Would you be so kind as to DEFINE the meaning of "Beast" and the "Image" and the "Mark"?
Once we agree on the MEANING of those words then (and only then) can we understand
the CONTEXT of Rev 20:4


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This information has remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all saints – until it’s revealed to the Last Saints

Now, if you can show me where that is found in Scripture,

Gladly:


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the Time-of-the-End:
many [the Last Saints] shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the Time-of-the-End.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:

and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.



This information has remained “closed-up” and “sealed” to all saints – until it’s revealed to the Last Saints
during a period named the “Time-of-the-End” [Dan 12:8-10]. And yet, this is “new information” to the world,
since God promised the (historical) fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecies remained “closed-up” and “sealed” until
the Truth is revealed to the Last Saints at the “Time-of-the-End”. We now have harmony of Scripture and history
as the Last Saints preach that which remained “sealed” throughout the entire (3rd) Christian “Kingdom of Heaven”.


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However, all saints' bodies will be alive at the resurrection, to ascend to meet the Lord in the air, and to descend to earth with him for the judgment of the sheep and the goats.


No, at the Return of Christ there is a resurrection of the dead BUT there are also the Last Saints who are alive at that time.
They, the Last Saints" are "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye".
At the end, when the Lord Returns, there are Last Saint living on earth.


Example #1


1Co 15:50-53
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Example #2


1Th 4:15-18
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



Jim
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Yes, they were martyred for refusing to worship the "Beast", for refusing to worship the "Image" and for refusing
to take the "Mark". But it DOES NOT say they were martyred during the rule of the Anti-Christ (you assume that).

Before you can understand WHEN those saints were martyred you must first be able to DEFINE the "Beast" and
the "Image" and the "Mark"... but you cannot DEFINE the meaning of those terms. Therefore you must ASSUME
they lived during the Great Tribulation and/or Revelation Beast. But they did not.

If we want to discuss WHEN those saints are martyred we must FIRST agree of the definition of
the "Beast" (for there are four (4) "Beasts" that arise on earth) and the "Image" and the "Mark"...
if we cannot DEFINE those words then we are just guessing about the CONTEXT of those saints.


Would you be so kind as to DEFINE the meaning of "Beast" and the "Image" and the "Mark"?
Once we agree on the MEANING of those words then (and only then) can we understand
the CONTEXT of Rev 20:4


Jim
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I don't know why you think it is relevant to first have to define the meaning of Beast and the Image and the Mark, when Revelation 13 is already telling us when and how those things come to be?

Why should I not assume these in Revelation 20:4 that I pointed out are martyred during the rule of the AC when comparing with what Revelation 13 records? Until one beast rises out of the sea, and a 2nd one out of the earth, and that the 2nd one then fulfills what is recorded in Revelation 13:14, in the meantime there is no image of the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live, to worship or not worship. Thus, one can't be martyred for refusing to worship something that doesn't even exist yet, assuming these are not martyred during the AC's rule.


1) which had not worshipped the beast,

2) neither his image,

3) neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

Did not worship what beast? How can it not be the one recorded in Revelation 13?

Did not worship who's image? How can it not be involving this---that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live(Revelation 13:14) ?

Did not receive what mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands? How can it not be involving what is recorded in Revelation 13:16-17?

If all of these things already apply to the martyrs recorded in Revevelation 20:4, and that they are martyred before satan is loosed, how can you then argue that Revelation 13 is instead involving satan's little season after the thousand years?
 
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Not necessarily. I'm not sure posting here though concerning this is in line with this thread/op.

If there is another way to understand this, one that I have not considered, and if it at least makes logical sense, I for sure am interested to hear what you have to say in regards to this.
 
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I don't know why you think it is relevant to first have to define the meaning of Beast and the Image and the Mark,

You don't know why it's important to understand the meaning of words?
If you do not know WHAT the "Beast" represents and WHAT the "Image" represents and WHAT the "Mark" represents
then, obviously, you cannot offer an "informed opinion" of them because you cannot even DEFINE the words you are using.

Why should I not assume these in Revelation 20:4 that I pointed out are martyred during the rule of the AC
when comparing with what Revelation 13 records?

That is an EXCELLENT question.
In Bible study you should never "assume".
The reason is:

Rev 13 is talking about the rising of the Revelation Beast (also the Fourth Beast and Great Tribulation)
DURING the reign of the Anti-Christ and DURING Satan's "Little Season"
In other words AFTER Satan is loosened from the Pit.

Rev 20 is talking about two different periods.
(1) the time BEFORE Satan is bound in the Bottomless Pit.
(2) the time AFTER Satan is loosened from the Pit.

Therefore, you must understand the CONTEXT of the verses
before you can hope to understand the MEANING of the verses.

In other words:
Rev 20 is talking about two Beasts
while Rev 13 is only talking about the Fourth Beast

Until one beast rises out of the sea, and a 2nd one out of the earth, and that the 2nd one then fulfills what is recorded in Revelation 13:14, in the meantime there is no image of the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live, to worship or not worship.

You are conflating the subject
There are FOUR (4) Beasts/Kingdoms that arise [Dan 7:23]

Rev 20:4 is talking about the period BEFORE Satan is "lossened" from the Pit
and the time AFTER Satan rises from the Pit to RULE during his "Little Season"
(also shown as the Great Tribulation and the Revelation Beast)

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Rev 20 is talking about the time BEFORE Satan is bound
and the time AFTER he is loosened for his "Little Season"

Rev 13 is only talking about AFTER Satan is loosened from the Bottomless Pit
Rev 13 is only talking about the Fourth Beast

You conflate the two different "Beasts" in Rev 20
with the one Revelation "Beast" in Rev 13


Did not worship what beast? How can it not be the one recorded in Revelation 13?

There are FOUR (4) Beasts on earth.
Rev 20 is talking about the 3rd Beast AND the 4th Beast
Rev 13 is ONLY talking about the 4th Beast

You are conflating two Beasts into one Beast.
That is why it's important to understand the CONTEXT of Rev 20
That is why it's important to be able to DEFINE the words you are using.

You have to know WHAT the "Beast" and "Image" and "Mark" represent
BEFORE you can offer an "informed opinion" on the subject.
I say that with all due respect.

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No, at the Return of Christ there is a resurrection of the dead BUT there are also the Last Saints who are alive at that time.

Agreed, and with the resurrection, then all saints will be alive.
 
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Agreed, and with the resurrection then all saints will be alive.

Agreed.
AFTER all the previous Saints are resurrected AND
the Last Saints (living at the time of His Return) are "changed" in a "twinkling of an eye"
(to join the resurrected Saints rising to Christ) THEN all the Saints will be alive for an eternity.
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Agreed.
AFTER all the previous Saints are resurrected AND
the Last Saints (living at the time of His Return) are "changed" in a "twinkling of an eye"
(to join the resurrected Saints rising to Christ) THEN all the Saints will be alive for an eternity.
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Agreed.

Nice doin' business with you.
 
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Its always nice to have agreement, even though it is mistaken.
There is no general resurrection when Jesus Returns, only the GT martyrs; Rev 20:4
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The judgment of the sheep (believers) and the goats (unbelievers); i.e., all mankind, is at the end of time when Christ comes in his glory (Mt 25:31-46).
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