The Interview with Dr. Kellogg

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Excerpt # 61 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Bourdeau: How many copies have you sold?

Dr. Kellogg: We printed 5,000 copies of it. When this thing came up we found there were 3,000 copies left. There had been only 2,000 copies sent out and some of them came back. We took them, cut out of those books certain pages, pasted other pages in, and I wrote W. C. White about what we were going to do, to send out a few copies. And he agreed that if we did to hear something from his mother to the contrary, to let them go. So we cut out a few of the objectionable pages, pasted other matter in place of them and let some of them go, you see. They have not been sold since. Now, then, over in England the tract society had about 500 copies, and they went right on selling them. They sold off the balance of them just a little while ago.

I know Sister White made that statement about me, and it is not the truth. She said I am a liar because I sold 10,000 copies of Living Temple when I said I would stop. Now I am not a liar. Prof. Prescott stood up before an audience and I could bring scores of people to testify to it that he said I had sold 50,000 copies of that book.

Amadon: I cannot believe that, Doctor, that Prescott will get up before the people--now see here, if there were a thousand persons present, that virtually amounts to a thousand lies, because it conveys that thought to each one. And it means as though--

Dr. Kellogg: Then it was ten thousand lies, for I do not doubt that every one of them told as many as ten people of it, and he told the ten thousand lies then. He said it.

Dr. Kellogg: Now, I will tell you the facts. You see, he was one of the directors of the printing office that printed the book, and he knew it was a 5,000 edition. I was talking with him in his office after the thing was denounced, and I have stated to him, "We have only sent out a few hundred copies--about 3,000 copies, I think." When I got home I wrote to him, "On inquiry I found there had not been so many sent out as I thought"--that instead of sending out 3,000 we had only sent out 2,000. We had still 3,000 copies on hand of the 5,000 edition we had printed. I wrote him that just a short time after I got home, you see.

On looking up the letter after Elder Evans told me of it I found out the stenographer had got on an extra cypher so the letter said, "We have still on hand 3,000 copies of the 50,000 copies that were printed."

So you see I referred to the first edition, the only edition that was printed. By mistake my stenographer made it 50,000 instead of 5,000. In order to believe we had sold that many, Brother Amadon, he had to imagine that between the time I was there in Washington and the time I wrote that letter, which was about six weeks, that in that time we had actually printed, published, bound and sold 45,000 copies more of the old edition. I wrote him and stated, "We have got 3,000 left of the 5,000 edition which was printed." But the stenographer put a cypher on my mistake and that made it 50,000.

Then he went off, got up and made a public statement in a public meeting that there had been 50,000 copies of this awful book circulated, and when Evans called his attention to it and said,

"Prof. Prescott, you know there were only 5,000 copies printed," he said, "I have got a letter that says 50,000." "But," Evans said, "you know better, Prof. Prescott; you know that is a stenographic error." He said in reply, "I am not responsible for that."

While he knew it was not true, he thought that letter would protect him from being shown to be a willful liar. The Lord knows it was a willful falsehood. He was trying to make his case as good as he could just as when he read a lot of spiritualistic stuff and pantheistic stuff and said, "This very stuff has been circulated in this book."

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 62 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Amadon: What does Paul's text say? "Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things."

Dr. Kellogg: Brother Amadon, would it be a good thing for the General Conference Committee to act on that principle for a little while? All the brethren say, "Be patient, Doctor, be patient; bear all things." And I am bearing all things. I have been bearing all the things you have been hearing this afternoon, and I am bearing it. But how much are those preachers bearing it? How much are any of them bearing? They are simply hatching up cases, making a man of straw and a monster out of straw, carrying it all over the world exhibiting it.

Amadon: You know the Psalmist says, "They search out iniquities; they make diligent search."

Dr. Kellogg: It is not iniquities they search for; it is myths and fables. They manufacture goblins out of whole cloth, stories about W. K. and me, stories about a brothel--

Amadon: I can't believe they circulate any such miserable stuff as that.

Dr. Kellogg: You can say what you like about it. It comes to me from all over the country about having a house of ill fame downtown, that we supported it.

Did you know Brother Hall, the minister who went to Jamaica, to the West Indies? He had a daughter that came here as a nurse. They said over there [California] a certain prominent man, a very prominent man, when he found they were coming to Battle Creek, said, "Oh, you must not go there; you mustn't go there." "Why?" "Well, why, that is an immoral place. They are immoral, from Dr. Kellogg down"--and said that the doctors here and all the rest of them were seducing nurses, and it was a regular brothel, the whole institution.

"Well," she said, "I know better; it is not true." "Well, but I know it is true. The Lord has said it. The testimony has said it. Now what are you going to say to that?" They said they did not believe it anyhow. That was one of the leading men in California. And those are ready to get up on the witness stand and swear to it, and I can give them all the testimony they want that these prominent people are going about circulating lies. Mrs. White herself has accused me of forgery, and accused me of lying.

Amadon: We are speaking of fornication and adultery now.

Dr. Kellogg: That is what this man was talking about, too. They went up to St. Helena, called on Sister White to see what she would say about it, and called on W. C. White and told him what this man had said. "Well," he said, "it is not true."

But what is he telling that thing for? What are these leading men saying such things for, and saying the Testimonies back it up? Because there have been put into those testimonies sentiments and insinuations that are just enough to give the people foundations for manufacturing such tales and thinking the Testimonies are backing them up. Then when you come up to make them face it, "Oh, no, we didn't mean any such thing as that at all."

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 63 of the Interview with Dr. Kellogg

Dr. Kellogg: I want to tell you that when Mrs. White wrote in her article that that book Living Temple taught free love doctrines, she wrote something that was libelous and is not true. There are no such doctrines in Living Temple. You have read the book through. Did you find any such there?

Bourdeau: I didn't think I did at the time.

Dr. Kellogg: You cannot find it. It is not there. I do not believe in free love doctrines, and I never have been standing on that side of the fence. I am trying to stand up for straightforwardness and purity, and I try to do my part in holding up correct standards in the world. These people have come out to try to smut us in every way they can.

Bourdeau: That is one of the points I wanted to speak to you about sometime--that is, what is contained in that book.

Dr. Kellogg: I will tell you about that. It will take but just a minute to say all I have to say about it, and that is this thing. I believe in the omnipresence of God. How God is omnipresent, I don't know. Do you believe in the omnipresence of God?

Bourdeau: I do--omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience.

Amadon: Present as a Holy Spirit.

Dr. Kellogg: That is all I believe.

Bourdeau: I believe we are in the likeness of God with regard to intellect as well as to body. But at the same time that the knowledge that He has is unlimited, but with us it is limited. And power He has is unlimited, but with us it is limited.

Dr. Kellogg: Certainly, certainly. Now I hear the brethren say when they are in a meeting, "I feel that the Lord is here." I go into the laboratory, look into a microscope, see cells under my eyes, see cells working there, and I say "God is here working." I cannot see how God's Spirit is separate from His presence. Now you see I don't mean the Lord Himself is here; I mean His Spirit is here. It is all right as far as I am concerned. All I wanted to explain in Living Temple was that this work that is going on in the man here is not going on by itself like a clock wound up, but it is the power of God and the Spirit God that is carrying it on.
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*Dr. Kellogg: Now, Sister White wrote an article and said, "It is wrong to say that God Himself is in the tree." Now, I didn't intend to say that. I didn't intend to say that--that God Himself, the Almighty, separate and distinct from His power, from His Spirit as a separate entity--that He was in the tree. I didn't mean to say that. I meant simply that the Spirit, the power, the intelligence of the Almighty, is being manifested in all these living things that are going on about us.

Amadon: Yes, in all vegetable life, in all animal life.

Bourdeau: In everything.

Dr. Kellogg: Certainly. I never dreamed of such an interpretation being put upon it as they have. When I found such an interpretation was being put on it, I said, "I will change it, do anything to correct that." And you know, they would not let me change it.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

*Dr. kellogg: Now, I thought I had cut out entirely the theological side of questions of the trinity and all that sort of things. I didn't mean to put it in at all, and I took pains to state in the preface that I did not. I never dreamed of such a thing as any theological question being brought into it. I only wanted to show that the heart does not beat of its own motion but that it is the power of God that keeps it going.


"The physical organism of man is under the supervision of God; but it is not like a clock, which is set in operation and must go of itself. The heart beats, pulse succeeds pulse, breath succeeds breath, but the entire being is under the supervision of God." Selected Messages, Vol.1,294.

"The mechanism of the human body cannot be fully understood. It presents mysteries that baffle the most intelligent. It is not as the result of a mechanism, which, once set in motion, continues its work, that the pulse beats and breath follows breath. In God we live and move and have our being. The beating heart, the throbbing pulse, every nerve and muscle in the living organism, is kept in order and activity by the power of an ever-present God... By His Spirit He is everywhere present." Ministry of Healing,417.

"It is not because the mechanism once set on motion continues to act by its own inherent energy taht the pulse beats, and breath follows breath. Every breath, every pulsation of the heart, is an evidence of the care of Him in whom we live and move and have our being. From the smallest insect to man, every living creature is daily dependent upon His providence." Education,131.

"Life is mysterious and sacred. It is the manifestation of God Himself, the source of all life." Ministry of Healing,397.

"All created beings live by the will and power of God. They are recipients of the life of the Son of God." 1 S.M.301.

"Not only is He the Originator of all, but He is the life of everything that lives. It is His life that we receive in the sunshine, in the pure, sweet air, and in the food which builds up our bodies and sustains our strength. It is by His life that we exist, hour by hour, moment by moment. Except as peverted by sin, all His gifts tend to life, to health and joy." Education,197,198.

Please take a close look at this statement from Patriarchs & Prophets, p.114 (bottom of the page) which clearly says that the Father and the Son are continually at work in nature:

"Many teach that matter possesses vital power--that certain properties are imparted to matter, and it is then left to act through its own inherent energy; and that the operations of nature are conducted in harmony with fixed laws, with which God Himself cannot interfere. THIS IS FALSE SCIENCE. God does not annul His laws or work contrary to them, but He is continually using them as His instruments. Nature testifies of an intelligence, a presence, an active energy, that works in and through her laws. THERE IS IN NATURE THE CONTINUAL WORKING OF THE FATHER AND THE SON. Christ says, 'My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.'" John 5:17.

Through the Spirit, the Third Person of the Godhead, both the Father and Christ are continually working in nature, working in and through all, moving in all things according to their will. See M.H.416,417 and Education, p.14.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 64 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Bourdeau: One thing you left out--about God's having form, shape, parts.

Dr. Kellogg: I must say I don't know what God's shape is.

Bourdeau: We can tell to a certain extent, but at the same time we are so inferior we cannot tell what we see.

Dr. Kellogg: I simply say I do not undertake to define that part. I am willing to take it just as the Bible leaves it, and that is the way I always have been willing to take it.

Amadon: That is all right.

Dr. Kellogg: "And if you will show me," I said to Prof. Prescott, "if you will show me how to correct this I will fix it right away." But they would not let me do it. If they did the game was up right away, you see. The whole game was up--this campaign that was going on. If they will show me how to fix that book so it can't possibly convey any such erroneous impression as they say they got from it--just show me how to fix it up--and I will be tickled to death to do it. I didn't want to be teaching anything that would lead anybody astray. So there it is; the books are there in the basement.

I have asked the General Conference to fix it; I have asked Haskell to fix it; I have asked Prescott to do it, told them to cross out everything they thought conveyed a wrong idea according to their notions, and I would take it out. Prof. Prescott said it was so interwoven all through from cover to cover that it could not be extracted. That was so preposterous. I knew it was not the truth, and I knew he did not think it was the truth, because the greater part of the book is about what to eat, what to drink, about what to wear and how to exercise, and a whole lot of other things where this question could not possibly come in at all.

When he stated that, I saw at once that there was no sincerity in the thing, and I said, "This thing has come. I have got to take it, and I am perfectly willing to bear it." It has caused me a whole lot of heartaches, worry and anxiety lest I should not take the right stand, and I did not want to do anything that would aggravate or accentuate this mischief.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 65 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Dr. Kellogg: I told Prof. Prescott I would go home and submit to anything, and they put me under the supervision of the West Michigan Conference, and I submitted to it. They put the Sanitarium under the supervision of the West Michigan Conference and appointed your daughter, Brother Bourdeau, as superintendent of the health and temperance work of Western Michigan, and when it came to the end of the year I was required to send my report of the Battle Creek Sanitarium to your daughter who was the official head of the Battle Creek Sanitarium, was head over us. And I sent in my report, and she presented it in the West Michigan Conference, and it was published.

What more could they ask of me? I considered it a very pusillanimous arrangement, I perfectly willing to say, but I submitted to it so they could have no excuse for saying I was in rebellion. I expect sooner or later they will find some excuse for turning me out of church, and they will have the responsibility of doing it. It is a thing I have for years been taking cognizance of. But I am not worrying about it. They can do it whenever they get ready.

I don't want to be withdrawn from the church, because I don't want it to appear before the world that I have repudiated the truth I have been standing for for the last fifty years. And if I ought not to have been turned out ten years ago, I should not be turned out now because I have made no change at all in ten years. I believe exactly as I did when Sister White said I ought to be ordained for the ministry.

But when they get ready to turn me out I shall not make any protest or any lawsuit about it or anything. I shall just simply accept the thing when it comes along. But I am not going to withdraw from the church or make any request to be put out, because that will put me in an attitude in which I do not wish to stand. I stand for the truth, and I have not changed, and I do not want anyone to have any excuse for saying I have. I want the people who keep on telling the lies to be responsible for the lies.

Bourdeau: I wish it were a good deal different with regard to the situation.

Dr. Kellogg: These men have made it. W. C. White is first responsible. Prof. Prescott is next responsible. Daniells comes in. And Evans is ready to do any kind of dirty work they want him to do.

Bourdeau: With me it has been only on two points: the point you have mentioned in your book, and the point of the Sanitarium by-laws.

Dr. Kellogg: Now what about the by-laws?

Bourdeau: I don't know as we ought to spend the time. I find it is stated three times that the work of the Sanitarium, of the Association, is not to be denominational or sectarian.

Dr. Kellogg: Yes, that is right.

Bourdeau: Then I find it stated, too, that the persons that come into the Sanitarium as members, that they are to come in as believers in God, believers in the Bible as being the word of God, and Christianity, principles of Christianity--and then not having anything to do with sect or denomination. That is, it matters not whether they belong to sect or denomination. If they will believe in God--

Dr. Kellogg: The fundamental principles of Christianity.

Bourdeau:--they can become members. With that idea it is a great question in my mind, with that idea-- our Seventh-day Adventists as a denomination which started that institution are not mentioned at all in the incorporation or by-laws, not mentioned at all. No reference is made to them at all whatever. Then how can they be known to be the persons or the company or the people that control the Sanitarium?

Dr. Kellogg: They are not the people who control it, and they never were.

Bourdeau: Well, members can be understood to be members in good standing in the Seventh-day Adventist church. That could have been put in.

Dr. Kellogg: But it never was in. It was not in the original articles that were gotten up for the incorporation. There was not a word mentioned there of Seventh-day Adventists.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 66 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Bourdeau: You see, it is different from any institution of the kind established by other denominations.

Dr. Kellogg: But the denomination did not establish this institution. It was a private corporation. A dozen people came together, put money in, some more put money in, and it was owned by them. They were all Seventh-day Adventists, but they didn't put that into the articles of incorporation. They made it themselves and not one mention was made of Seventh-day Adventists or any other denomination at all in the original articles of incorporation.

You can see them on file yourself. You might go through all the original papers of the Sanitarium and you would not know there was a Seventh-day Adventist denomination on the face of the earth. It was not mentioned at all, never was. But it was distinctly understood and stated to me when I took charge of that institution that that work was undenominational. It was never mentioned in the original articles, so when we formed the new articles, we copied these after the old articles. We copied it very largely after the old articles. It never mentioned Seventh-day Adventists or any sect at all, but in order to make sure that there should be no question about it, we put it into these articles, the things that had been understood before, the things that James White published in his life, that this institution is undenominational and non-sectarian. That is what it says in this article, that the money must be used for undenominational purposes, and it does not say the institution is undenominational. It does not exactly say that in so many words; it says the work is undenominational and non-sectarian and the money should be expended for such purposes. It does not say anything about whether the institution is sectarian or what it is. There is nothing said about that. You cannot find it there in the articles.

Its objects and purposes were non-sectarian. That makes it non-sectarian. But the old institution was not owned by the church, was never controlled by the church, never had any orders from the General Conference Committee, the state committee, the church committee--never obeyed any orders from any of those bodies. It was a self-controlled institution. Men put up the money. The church never appropriated money to it, and the tithe was not appropriated to it. It was done by individuals just like a farm or a store or any other thing, but working all the while with the denomination, for the denomination, so gradually had come to be looked upon as a denominational institution. But there was no ground for claiming church control. But this institution is owned at the present time by 675 Seventh-day Adventists; 125 of them are preachers. I think you are one of them. These people can come up here and vote to take possession of this institution, to turn me out of it any time they want to do it, for I was just elected to office a short time ago for two years more. But they can come up next year and put in five preachers, anybody they want to put in. And at the end of another year they can put in five more. Then they can have the opportunity for the control of the thing and do what they like with it.

Down at Berrien Springs, after Prof. Prescott denounced me in such an unrighteous way, I told them they could have my resignation anytime they wanted to. If they want to come in and do it, why don't they come and do it? Why don't they vote us out and take possession of it?

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Excerpt # 67 of the Interview with Dr. kellogg

Bourdeau: Don't you think it would have been a proper thing to put into that articles of incorporation that anybody could have been a member of this Association who was a Seventh-day Adventist?

Dr. Kellogg: And then go to the state of Michigan and ask them to exempt this institution from taxes?

This institution was established for certain purposes. I have a testimony from Sister White in which she says, "Your work is an undenominational work." Then if we got our support from inside, why should we ask the outside to support a denominational concern? Isn't the denomination willing to support its own institutions? Are they willing to carry on a denominational institution and then ask the outside public to support it for them? Do they want a thing for the cultivation of their own cause, then expect somebody else to pay for it?

Sister White said, "Your work is not a denominational work; therefore, you ought not to ask our people for funds but should get it from the outside." This institution has not asked the Seventh-day Adventist people for funds. We have earned our way. We are paying our own way. With my own hands in surgical operations and with the profits on the foods and my own machines that I have invented the thing has been paid for again and again. We have turned back to the Seventh-day Adventist people $700,000 in charity and in educational expenses for the $35,000 which they originally put in. We paid them back all they ever put in, and they still own it.

Bourdeau: With regard to membership, I am a member and my membership cannot be transferred to anyone else. And if I die, my membership dies with me.

Dr. Kellogg: Yes, sir.

Bourdeau: Is it so for all?

Dr. Kellogg: Everybody.

Bourdeau: With yourself as well as anybody?

Dr. Kellogg: Yes, sir. I have got one vote, only one. I got a letter from a brother awhile ago, and he said, "The leading brethren in the Conference have stated that you own the Sanitarium, and we want to know the facts if you have gotten possession of it."

Brother White who used to be here in town, came here, and he said to me in my office, "Doctor, I have a good deal of sympathy with you. But I think you have made some very serious mistakes." I said, "Be perfectly frank to tell me about them."

"Well," he said, "don't you think it was a mistake when you allowed the deed of this institution to be put in your name?" I said, "How did you get that idea?" "The leading brethren told me so."

Bourdeau: That it was put in your name?

Dr. Kellogg: Yes sir. I said, "I am not going to answer that question. You go to the register of deeds and find out in whose name it is. Do you suppose the Sanitarium could issue bonds on an institution when I had the deed?"

I am not exaggerating when I say a thousand lies have been circulated and are being circulated actively about me and about the Sanitarium by members of this denomination and by the preachers of the denomination. They are nearly all in it. They read statements sent out by the General Conference that are false as sin, and they go ahead with it in the name of the Lord.

Now, then, I am willing this should go on if they can get profit in that, and can find the Lord blesses them in that, and can get spiritual edification and growth in that. They can go on as long as they want to, and I will go right on about my business. And if you brethren are in sympathy with that kind of work and that movement, and you wish to encourage it, aid it, abet it, you can do so. I shall attend to my work, my business. It is the preachers of the denomination, and the members of the denomination, the leaders of the denomination who have neglected the principles I have been standing for. And we could not help but see that when these men were neglecting these principles we were working for, and neglecting our work, gradually there would grow up a chasm.

Bourdeau: I thank you for having spent so much time with us.

 

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It is the preachers of the denomination, and the members of the denomination, the leaders of the denomination who have neglected the principles I have been standing for. And we could not help but see that when these men were neglecting these principles we were working for, and neglecting our work, gradually there would grow up a chasm.

Bourdeau: I thank you for having spent so much time with us.

Oh how many of us have this terrible "I" problem.

Isa_14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

See what I mean, every single time you post it is to criticize.

sky

 

[JDMiowa]

See what I mean, every single time you post it is to criticize.

sky

Thanks for sharing this interview with Kellogg. Human nature at the time of Ellen White is as today.

 

[Castaway57]

Human nature at the time of Ellen White is as today.

If this so called interview could be considered factual evidence, then your point would have more bearing here. He still hasnt told us where he got it from; nor has he told the other side of the story; and there always is one.

 

[Castaway57]

It is time that Dr. Kellogg should be given a fair hearing on this board. It is not the Lord's way to condemn a man without him being given a fair hearing. He was never given a hearing by the General Conference leaders who had embarked on a campaign against him to hurt and destroy him. Like brother Jones he was tried, judged, and sentenced without him being present at the trial. The leaders had again become prosecutors and judges in their own case.

All these posts and you have not proved this point at all. You have simply posted unproven allegations.

 

[JDMiowa]

All these posts and you have not proved this point at all. You have simply posted unproven allegations.

Dr.s tend to tell the truth. Lawyers and pastors are another matter, they speak for who pay them. We can't dig up Ellen White and cross exam her, so this is the best we can do, let's "hear" what Kellogg has to say. If you want to post Ellen Whites rebuttal be my guest. Please let's "act" like christians, no sarcasm, be nice if you can't love each other.

 

[rainbowinthesky]

Thanks for sharing this interview with Kellogg. Human nature at the time of Ellen White is as today.

Thanks JD. Glad you were able to get something out of it. Yes, human nature has not changed only for the worse.

sky

 

[Castaway57]

Dr.s tend to tell the truth. Lawyers and pastors are another matter, they speak for who pay them. We can't dig up Ellen White and cross exam her, so this is the best we can do, let's "hear" what Kellogg has to say. If you want to post Ellen Whites rebuttal be my guest. Please let's "act" like christians, no sarcasm, be nice if you can't love each other.

You cant dig up Kellog either.

 

[Castaway57]

Dr.s tend to tell the truth. Lawyers and pastors are another matter, they speak for who pay them. We can't dig up Ellen White and cross exam her, so this is the best we can do, let's "hear" what Kellogg has to say. If you want to post Ellen Whites rebuttal be my guest. Please let's "act" like christians, no sarcasm, be nice if you can't love each other.

And why on earth is it "sarcasm" to ask where he got this material from, and to say that this material is not factual evidence?

 

[rainbowinthesky]

The problem is W.C. White and the ring leaders in apostasy were able to manipulate and fabricate testimonies against Dr. Kellogg and brother Jones. This is what the Interview reveals and if you have not read AN APPEAL by A.T. Jones, it is highly recommanded that you did. The Appeal is the best you will ever read, after the Interview with Dr. kellogg, as to what was really going on in those days.

Far from being a pantheist Dr. Kellogg, in his book THE LIVING TEMPLE presented the truth as he had always taught it and yet had never been accused of teaching error not even by Ellen White until in 1902 A.G. Daniells usurped the title and office of the presidency. He started a campaingn against Dr. Kellogg because he could not control him just as he could not control brother Jones. Mrs. White had even warned that these men of the General Conference were determined to bring the individuals to their terms, that they would rule or ruin!!! See T.M.360,361,363,366.

Mrs. White was lied to by these men about Dr. Kellogg and A.T. Jones. She was misinformed and that is what led to a vicious campaign against these men. Both men were never given a fair trial. They were judged and sentenced by those who had become prosecutors and judges in their own case. We need not wait for the judgment for this to be revealed. It is all documented.

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[Castaway57]

The problem is W.C. White and the ring leaders in apostasy were able to manipulate and fabricate testimonies against Dr. Kellogg and brother Jones. This is what the Interview reveals and if you have not read AN APPEAL by A.T. Jones, it is highly recommanded that you did. The Appeal is the best you will ever read, after the Interview with Dr. kellogg, as to what was really going on in those days.

Far from being a pantheist Dr. Kellogg, in his book THE LIVING TEMPLE presented the truth as he had always taught it and yet had never been accused of teaching error not even by Ellen White until in 1902 A.G. Daniells usurped the title and office of the presidency. He started a campaingn against Dr. Kellogg because he could not control him just as he could not control brother Jones. Mrs. White had even warned that these men of the General Conference were determined to bring the individuals to their terms, that they would rule or ruin!!! See T.M.360,361,363,366.

Mrs. White was lied to by these men about Dr. Kellogg and A.T. Jones. She was misinformed and that is what led to a vicious campaign against these men. Both men were never given a fair trial. They were judged and sentenced by those who had become prosecutors and judges in their own case. We need not wait for the judgment for this to be revealed. It is all documented.

sky

Again; you present nothing but allegations, and you seem to have difficulty distinguishing these from facts and verifiable evidence. I find it hard to believe that you know so little about Adventist history, that you cannot show us anything more than the same allegations and secret conspiracy theories that many objectors to the Adventist church have tried before. The only campaign I see here that is vicious; is your's.

OK; now it's your turn to tell me again what a "spiritual dwarf" I am. But when you come up with some actual evidence that the general public can easily verify; then I will listen a little closer. T.M.360,361,363,366 does not condemn the whole church in the way that you do here; it carries not the message you make it out to be. If you would be more upfront and tell the public who and what she was actually talking about there; there might be more fruit, and less vegetables here in this topic.

 

[Castaway57]

The problem is W.C. White and the ring leaders in apostasy were able to manipulate and fabricate testimonies against Dr. Kellogg and brother Jones. sky

Well; it is pretty sad to see others fall into this trap:

"Dr. Kellogg has had every advantage to make impressions on human minds, and he will improve this to the best of his ability in an effort to destroy confidence in the testimonies. Those associated with him who have upheld him, will have to answer before God for their course of action." -- Letter 258, 1906.