The 'coercive bargain' theory of Christianity.

[Neogaia777]

This is what is known as a 'closed' philosophy, because all criticism of the theory is dismissed in terms of the theory. Marx is a typical example, where anyone who disagreed with him was accused of having a 'false consciousness'. Others are Freud, where anyone who objected was 'not in touch with their subconscious', or being 'unscientific' or some such rubbish, and those Christians who will not admit any thinking from other religions because their antagonists are not 'born again'.

Fact is, we need to be open to criticism, and just as sceptical of our own thinking as we might wish others were of theirs. That does not, of course, mean outright capitulation in all cases, just that we need a thorough philosophical grounding to be reasonably sure when we are right and they are wrong. If we are, our theories are strengthened, not weakened, by our openness.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Call it whatever you like, I'm just here trying to share and spread some Truth, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I hope you aren't assuming about me there because I do hear him. And I've experienced spiritual attacks after being saved, and I've been shown spiritual discernment (gift) as well.

I'm not talking about anybody in particular specifically, etc, but only that those who identify closely with this, will probably know who they are, etc...

God Bless!

 

[YahuahSaves]

Jesus knew that God the Spirit was real, not only just because he believed in Him, and had learned about Him, etc, but also because he had that One's voice inside his head, etc, and had a lot of conversations with that One somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty inside of his head, etc, and I guess he perhaps "reasoned" maybe, is maybe the right word maybe, etc, because of things such as full omniscience and determinism, etc that we all had another Father that was higher than Him (God the Spirit) and Jesus claimed to be born in his flesh from God the Spirit through Mary, but that he was sent/predestined by his/our Heavenly Father to fulfill his role as the Messiah or Savior that he pretty much knew about from his birth, but probably learned a lot more about along the way (by the time he was thirty, etc)...

He (Jesus) eventually found out that he was supposed to come to this realization in order to fulfill his role as Lord, and/or Messiah, and/or Savior, etc, and this of "all", etc, even, in a way, even including God the Spirit, etc, because he (Jesus) taught Him (God the Spirit, etc) as he (Jesus) reasoned or found out he was predestined to do by this "other Father", as Lord, and as Messiah, and as Savior, etc...

God Bless!

Jesus didn't hear God in his head, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. The Father and Son are one. Jesus is God’s Son and  is God. Don't talk about things you clearly don't understand, especially without backing it up with Gods word.

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus didn't hear God in his head, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. The Father and Son are one. Jesus is God’s Son and  is God. Don't talk about things you clearly don't understand, especially without backing it up with Gods word.

Those who can bear to hear the Truth, will hear the Truth, and will follow, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Strivax]

I followed my own idea of God for a long time, one I "preferred" over the biblical God... I got a rude awakening last year that I was following the enemy without realising it. As for pagans and witches, plenty of testimonies of people being saved out of new age and occult beliefs, which is just Satan's counterfeit to keep people from the truth of God.

P.s. your profile says "Christian", is that not true?

I am, indeed, a Christian. But I have never found that prevented me from having an enquiring mind, or from thinking things through for myself, until I reach some conclusion that satisfies me. At the end of the day, all truth is God's truth, even if deciding what, exactly, constitutes truth is sometimes a counter-intuitive matter.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Strivax]

Call it whatever you like, I'm just here trying to share and spread some Truth, etc...

God Bless!

I notice you have not engaged with the argument I put. Is that because you agree, or disagree?

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Neogaia777]

I notice you have not engaged with the argument I put. Is that because you agree, or disagree?

Best wishes, Strivax.

I wasn't aware that there was any argument?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify, etc?

So far, all you have accused me of is spreading irrefutable truths, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I notice you have not engaged with the argument I put. Is that because you agree, or disagree?

Best wishes, Strivax.

I'm not a philosopher, but I most definitely didn't come to these truths without having a certain amount of openess, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Strivax]

I wasn't aware that there was any argument?

Perhaps you'd like to clarify, etc?

So far, all you have accused me of is spreading irrefutable truths, etc...?

God Bless!

I was using the term argument, not in it's vernacular meaning of 'heated dispute', but it's philosophical meaning, which is simply a number of premises, implicit or explicit, that lead one to a conclusion.

So, I have not accused you of anything, yet. If I were to do so, it would be to take exception to your notion that the religious ideas you espouse are 'irrefutable truths'. In my experience, there is no such thing as a truth beyond question, and therefore irrefutable.

Anyway, to clarify my previous post, as per your request. I was simply suggesting we need to be open to the ideas of others, without automatically dismissing them because we consider them demonic, or satanic, or some such interpretation of those of people who disagree with us.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I am, indeed, a Christian. But I have never found that prevented me from having an enquiring mind, or from thinking things through for myself, until I reach some conclusion that satisfies me. At the end of the day, all truth is God's truth, even if deciding what, exactly, constitutes truth is sometimes a counter-intuitive matter.

Best wishes, Strivax.

If you don't believe the bible is the foundation for Gods truth, then I won't say any more. You choose to go your way about it as we all do. I know what I'm sure of. Peace

 

[Neogaia777]

I was using the term argument, not in it's vernacular meaning of 'heated dispute', but it's philosophical meaning, which is simply a number of premises, implicit or explicit, that lead one to a conclusion.

So, I have not accused you of anything, yet. If I were to do so, it would be to take exception to your notion that the religious ideas you espouse are 'irrefutable truths'.

Anyway, to clarify my previous post, as per your request. I was simply suggesting we need to be open to the ideas of others, without automatically dismissing them because we consider them demonic, or satanic, or some such interpretation of those of people who disagree with us.

Best wishes, Strivax.

I wasn't demonizing them, I am just saying that sometimes, they can still be subject to fallen angels working through them sometimes, etc. I actually listen to a lot of them, and hear them out, etc, so if that is not being open to them, and their ideas, etc, I don't know what is, etc...?

I'm a great listener, and that's actually what I spend a great majority of my time doing, etc, so if that's not being open to others opinions, and thoughts, and ideas, and also their criticisms sometimes also, etc, I don't know what is, etc...? Iron sharpens Iron, etc, and I'm a firm believer in that, etc...

Anyway, I'm off to bed, so I hope you all have a very good, very great Christmas!

Peace.

God Bless!

 

[Strivax]

I wasn't demonizing them, I am just saying that sometimes, they can still be subject to fallen angels working through them sometimes, etc. I actually listen to a lot of them, and hear them out, etc, so if that is not being open to them, and their ideas, etc, I don't know what is, etc...?

I'm a great listener, and that's actually what I spend a great majority of my time doing, etc, so if that's not being open to others opinions, and thoughts, and ideas, and also their criticisms sometimes also, etc, I don't know what is, etc...? Iron sharpens Iron, etc, and I'm a firm believer in that, etc...

Anyway, I'm off to bed, so I hope you all have a very good, very great Christmas!

Peace.

God Bless!

And a very merry Christmas to you also, and all those you love.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Astrid]

I'm sorry, but the scriptures are far from clear. Leaving aside, for the moment, that they were largely written by Jews for Jews, a long time ago, when social norms and mores were very different, the fact they have spawned so much written commentary and theology and we still require a priestly class to explain what, exactly, they do mean, (and still they all find room to disagree) is prima facie attestation to that lack of clarity.

Best wishes, Strivax.

A god should be able to write a perfect book

 

[zippy2006]

This is quite wrong as any social psychologist will tell you. Positive and negative reinforcement work great.

Punishment does not.

Negative reinforcement is punishment.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It’s fine. Too many people on the planet. We take in young and vibrant immigrants.

You consider below replacement fine? What does society collapsing look like to you?

 

[Strivax]

A god should be able to write a perfect book

Which just goes to show what I have long suspected; that the Bible is a man-made artifact, not a God-wrought one.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Astrid]

Do you believe a false god can write a perfect book ?

People wrote a far- from perfect book
and claimed it was from their chosen god.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Everything 'about' the trinity we need to know is in the Bible, right? Adding to God's Word is forbidden, right ? For an eye-opening astonishing day, look up online "origin of trinity".

Don't need to. I know Jesus is the Son of God and is God. The bible didn't reveal that to me, He did. However, The Trinity is throughout scripture, beginning in Genesis.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Which just goes to show what I have long suspected; that the Bible is a man-made artifact, not a God-wrought one.

Best wishes, Strivax.

It's a man-made artifact? Then how do you define yourself a "Christian"?

 

[Lost Witness]

Which just goes to show what I have long suspected; that the Bible is a man-made artifact, not a God-wrought one.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Scripture is Truth, Period.