The 'coercive bargain' theory of Christianity.

[Neogaia777]

Only in the fever dreams of Christians. No one else, though.

Time will tell, etc...

I'm not saying that they will wind up that way, and as a matter of fact, I'm hoping they won't, but I think they could if we don't place any kinds of restrictions or rules at all on our sexual morality/immorality, etc, which is why I suggested some kind of compromise, etc...

God Bless!

 

[YahuahSaves]

I dunno, I read the Bible cover to cover. I have never felt any kind of call.

The flesh resists the spirit. Reading the bible from an intellectual standpoint is not enough to provide revelation.

 

[Larniavc]

Nope. The Holy Trinity is the one true God.

But it has to be your version of it that’s the one true God. Which is an amazing coincidence.

 

[Neogaia777]

Therefore the rules of God are sketchy at best.

We follow what is laid out in the NT and under the NC by Jesus now, etc, all of us, etc, God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit included now, etc...

The OC, or the OT, is lessons learned for all of us now, including God the Spirit prior to the NT or NC by Jesus now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

We follow what is laid out in the NT and under the NC by Jesus now, etc, all of us, etc, God the Spirit, or God the Holy Spirit included now, etc...

God Bless!

Yeah, but some Christians clearly don’t.

 

[YahuahSaves]

But it has to be your version of it that’s the one true God. Which is an amazing coincidence.

It's not my "version". No other 'god' mankind worships, answers prayer or performs miracles. The God of the Holy Bible is the one true God - the rest are idols.

 

[Strivax]

There is a new theory for training dogs that is becoming popular. It involves the idea that only positive reinforcement should be used, and that dogs should never be punished. Turns out it makes for pretty crappy dogs. We should probably try it out on kids.

It just so happens that humans--and especially children--only grow to love goodness through the long and winding road of punishment and reward. The Bible witnesses often to the fact that there are some who will come to love goodness for its own sake, and others who will come to love evil for its own sake. Avoiding punishment is a terrible recipe for parenting. Also, for training dogs. But a quick skim of the Bible would also alert us to the fact that God is quite keen to utilize punishment.

We are not dogs, or even children. I presume we are all adults, capable of dealing with an adult faith founded on adult thinking.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yeah, but some Christians clearly don’t.

They get confused trying to mix OT, OC ways in with the New, and the NT has plenty to say about that, etc, I ask that you try your best to forgive them, etc...

They also don't have the understanding about the Trinity that I am talking about here yet also, etc...

Which is akin to having previously been in a very dark room, with no lights or lighting at all, and then all of the sudden hitting the light switch, etc...

It is the understanding that Jesus had, or came to have by the time he was baptised, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Strivax]

I dunno, I read the Bible cover to cover. I have never felt any kind of call.

Hmmm. Be assured, He will be there for you, as He was for me, as and when you need HIm, and seek Him with an open heart.

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Strivax]

I understand that. Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it through him. He came to fulfil the law because we couldn't achieve it through the flesh. Once we repent and are saved, the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and helps us put off the flesh. It's not a Christian duty to condemn non-believers, we are called only to share the Gospel truth. Which is the Good News of salvation. People either accept it, or they reject it (believe on Jesus or not).

I just don't believe this is so. (The bit I have put in bold). Or why would so many Christians disagree about so much stuff?

Best wishes, 2RM.

 

[Strivax]

Nope. The Holy Trinity is the one true God.

How do you know? Have you ever been a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Sikh, or a Buddhist? Or for that matter, a Pagan or a Witch?

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Neogaia777]

I just don't believe this is so. (The bit I have put in bold). Or why would so many Christians disagree about so much stuff?

Best wishes, 2RM.

They only think they are hearing from Him when they are not, because first you have to know Him, or come to know Him, and know His true heart, etc, before you can ever clearly hear Him, etc, and for that, it takes the kind of understanding about the Trinity that I have been trying to explain or get into a bit right now, because then, you will come to know and/or understand Him in the way that Jesus did, and come to have the same kind of relationship (voice inside your head) that Jesus did with Him, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

They only think they are hearing from Him when they are not, because first you have to know Him, or come to know Him, and know His true heart, etc, before you can ever clearly hear Him, etc, and for that, it takes the kind of understanding about the Trinity that I have been trying to explain or get into a bit right now, because then, you will come to know and/or understand Him in the way that Jesus did, and come to have the same kind of relationship (voice inside your head) that Jesus did with Him, etc...

God Bless!

@Strivax

They are only coming to know just only the teachings and doctrines of demons (fallen angels) really, etc, because they don't truly know Him (God the Spirit/Holy Spirit) yet, etc...

They must come to know Him in the very same way that Jesus did, before they can ever clearly hear Him as a voice within him/them the same way that Jesus did, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus came to this kind of Trinity understanding that I am right now talking about here somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty, and before that, even he was kind of in the dark still really, etc, and somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty, threw this light switch that I am right now talking about here, etc, and turned it into a theology after that, etc...

His Father in his flesh was God the Spirit, so when he was younger, he learned all he could about that Father, but he eventually came to the understanding that he, and we, had another Father also, etc, and when he did, it created a certain kind of theology within him that he probably spent a lot of time learning about and exploring by the time he was baptized by John at the age of thirty and truly began his true work of being one of the very first having a true understanding of this, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

It's not my "version". No other 'god' mankind worships, answers prayer or performs miracles. The God of the Holy Bible is the one true God - the rest are idols.

So how come people who worship the same God as you have totally different world views?

 

[Strivax]

They only think they are hearing from Him when they are not, because first you have to know Him, or come to know Him, and know His true heart, etc, before you can ever clearly hear Him, etc, and for that, it takes the kind of understanding about the Trinity that I have been trying to explain or get into a bit right now, because then, you will come to know and/or understand Him in the way that Jesus did, and come to have the same kind of relationship (voice inside your head) that Jesus did with Him, etc...

God Bless!

This is what is known as a 'closed' philosophy, because all criticism of the theory is dismissed in terms of the theory. Marx is a typical example, where anyone who disagreed with him was accused of having a 'false consciousness'. Others are Freud, where anyone who objected was 'not in touch with their subconscious', or being 'unscientific' or some such rubbish, and those Christians who will not admit any thinking from other religions because their antagonists are not 'born again'.

Fact is, we need to be open to criticism, and just as sceptical of our own thinking as we might wish others were of theirs. That does not, of course, mean outright capitulation in all cases, just that we need a thorough philosophical grounding to be reasonably sure when we are right and they are wrong. If we are, our theories are strengthened, not weakened, by our openness.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I just don't believe this is so. (The bit I have put in bold). Or why would so many Christians disagree about so much stuff?

Best wishes, 2RM.

Because many Christians don't understand the work of the Cross and what it means to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A lot of "easy-believism" in churches these days.

 

[YahuahSaves]

How do you know? Have you ever been a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Sikh, or a Buddhist? Or for that matter, a Pagan or a Witch?

Best wishes, Strivax.

I followed my own idea of God for a long time, one I "preferred" over the biblical God... I got a rude awakening last year that I was following the enemy without realising it. As for pagans and witches, plenty of testimonies of people being saved out of new age and occult beliefs, which is just Satan's counterfeit to keep people from the truth of God.

P.s. your profile says "Christian", is that not true?

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus came to this kind of Trinity understanding that I am right now talking about here somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty, and before that, even he was kind of in the dark still really, etc, and somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty, threw this light switch that I am right now talking about here, etc, and turned it into a theology after that, etc...

His Father in his flesh was God the Spirit, so when he was younger, he learned all he could about that Father, but he eventually came to the understanding that he, and we, had another Father also, etc, and when he did, it created a certain kind of theology within him that he probably spent a lot of time learning about and exploring by the time he was baptized by John at the age of thirty and truly began his true work of being one of the very first having a true understanding of this, etc...

God Bless!

Jesus knew that God the Spirit was real, not only just because he believed in Him, and had learned about Him, etc, but also because he had that One's voice inside his head, etc, and had a lot of conversations with that One somewhere between the ages of twelve and thirty inside of his head, etc, and I guess he perhaps "reasoned" maybe, is maybe the right word maybe, etc, because of things such as full omniscience and determinism, etc that we all had another Father that was higher than Him (God the Spirit) and Jesus claimed to be born in his flesh from God the Spirit through Mary, but that he was sent/predestined by his/our Heavenly Father to fulfill his role as the Messiah or Savior that he pretty much knew about from his birth, but probably learned a lot more about along the way (by the time he was thirty, etc)...

He (Jesus) eventually found out that he was supposed to come to this realization in order to fulfill his role as Lord, and/or Messiah, and/or Savior, etc, and this of "all", etc, even, in a way, even including God the Spirit, etc, because he (Jesus) taught Him (God the Spirit, etc) as he (Jesus) reasoned or found out he was predestined to do by this "other Father", as Lord, and as Messiah, and as Savior, etc...

God Bless!

 

[YahuahSaves]

They only think they are hearing from Him when they are not

They are only coming to know just only the teachings and doctrines of demons (fallen angels) really, etc, because they don't truly know Him (God the Spirit/Holy Spirit) yet, etc...

I hope you aren't assuming about me there because I do hear him. And I've experienced spiritual attacks after being saved, and I've been shown spiritual discernment (gift) as well.