The Call by Pastor Rick Joyner?

[K2K]

I have an extremely strange testimony........ I suppose I could put it on the Spiritual Gifts forum perhaps?????

Here are some clues on how weird it is:

My conversation with the Rabbi.....

We are peculiar people; but that is because we know the Lord and His ways are not our ways. So we wind up with extremely strange testimonies and start doing things different based upon what we get from Him. To me, the sad part is that we tend to hold back with those testimonies. The reason is simple; if you tell other people the extremely strange things that happen because of Him, some people will want to judge, get critical, and scoff at you. The persecution is guaranteed.

And that is what we see with 'a Rick Joyner', but not him only. He claims to have gotten visions from the Lord, and they are a bit strange. Yet Jesus Christ is glorified and proclaimed as Lord, so it the devil doing that? The general message in Rick Joyner's peculiar writings, is that we need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ for ourselves. That is not from the devil, but people scoff. We see it and too often say we should give our testimonies, which are many.

So I say give the testimonies and point people to Jesus Christ our Lord!! There are still going to be scoffers! There are even still going to be religious leaders who want to shut you off. There is nothing new under the sun. Yet while some may scoff others are encouraged because they to have 'extremely strange' testimonies. Simply because the Lord's ways are not our ways.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

nvm

 

[DennisTate]

True spiritual gifts are one thing in Scripture, in line with all Scripture.
But your testimony/ letter/ posts do not show this at all (they are getting more bizarre - emotional, feelings, weird; and not in harmony with Scripture) .
and the deception that happened is beyond compare with most people's experience - why or how this happened is not at all clear, but I believe it happened just as you posted it in that thread/link.
How to be set free from it? Don't know. It has infected all of your posts since then at least, as far as can be realized. I don't have any idea how to be set free from such deception when it was asked for the way you did(were you set up for that deception by someone?),
or what could possibly have convinced you it was okay to go ahead and to be deceived ? as if willingly seeking deception ! ?

If you would like to get a bunch of people to pray for me you will get an idea where I may perhaps have gone off track in this discussion.......

My conversation with the Rabbi.....

...then read my blog here at ChristianForums and you will have a theory on what may have happened to me.....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

nvm

 

[DennisTate]

We are peculiar people; but that is because we know the Lord and His ways are not our ways. So we wind up with extremely strange testimonies and start doing things different based upon what we get from Him. To me, the sad part is that we tend to hold back with those testimonies. The reason is simple; if you tell other people the extremely strange things that happen because of Him, some people will want to judge, get critical, and scoff at you. The persecution is guaranteed.

And that is what we see with 'a Rick Joyner', but not him only. He claims to have gotten visions from the Lord, and they are a bit strange. Yet Jesus Christ is glorified and proclaimed as Lord, so it the devil doing that? The general message in Rick Joyner's peculiar writings, is that we need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ for ourselves. That is not from the devil, but people scoff. We see it and too often say we should give our testimonies, which are many.

So I say give the testimonies and point people to Jesus Christ our Lord!! There are still going to be scoffers! There are even still going to be religious leaders who want to shut you off. There is nothing new under the sun. Yet while some may scoff others are encouraged because they to have 'extremely strange' testimonies. Simply because the Lord's ways are not our ways.

1. Pastor Rick Joyner could perhaps be a Christian literary genius up there with C. S. Lewis..........


2. or he could perhaps be a diabolical criminal but deeply philosophical literal genius up there with........ I don't even know who.... perhaps Richard Sapir and Warren Murphy??????


3. ....or he could be an ordinary guy like you and I who prayed with chutzpah and courage...... Messiah Yeshua -Jesus may have given him some dreams and experiences...... the guy may have tried his best to write them down to the best of his ability...... and voila........ the next thing you know he is a best selling Christian author.......



Personally I have read and re-read his books so many times.....and listened to them so many times that I think option number 3 is the most logical........ but I am a janitor in a little school in the back woods of Nova Scotia..... so what would I know?????

 

[DennisTate]

.... not "in this discussion", but in every post I've read overall, for a long time. (years) ... and with seeing many warnings , mostly gentle ones, to you .....

Already done (not recommended to do - it is very ensnaring) - and noted the bizarre ungodly experiences you apparently sought and received and were deceived by.

Already praying, if and as Yahuweh Permits - it may be a sin unto death, for which Yeshua does not say to pray.

I have not ever found out yet, if Yahuweh will help heal anyone if they do not want healed and especially if they keep rejecting Him.

Thank you......and by the way one of the immediate results of your prayers for me is that I was given the most successful discussion that I ever began here on Christian forums. The most most hits and most replies in the least time ever.

My friend Pastor Ken Rank asked me a question.....and I prayed and thought and thought and thougt and the answer hit me......and it was in the form of the opening several posts here:


1697 hits on this already in only a few days!


Three hundred years from now where will you be? Heaven or a utopian earth?


For the record...my dad was schizophrenic and manic depressive and the only medication that would stop his auditory and visual halucinations was chlorpromozine, (pardon my spelling).......

I am not on any meds.... but that is totally due to the grace and mercy of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the astonishingly powerful prayers of my Pentecostal wife and her friends...... who really like me in spite of all my many, many, many flaws........

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I repent of doing anything that had to do with you getting more attention.
That brings me great sorrow.
bye.

 

[DennisTate]

I repent of doing anything that had to do with you getting more attention.
That brings me great sorrow.
bye.

If it is any consolation the question that inspired that discussion was asked of me by Pastor Ken Rank.......

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

We are peculiar people; but that is because we know the Lord and His ways are not our ways. So we wind up with extremely strange testimonies and start doing things different based upon what we get from Him. To me, the sad part is that we tend to hold back with those testimonies. The reason is simple; if you tell other people the extremely strange things that happen because of Him, some people will want to judge, get critical, and scoff at you. The persecution is guaranteed.

And that is what we see with 'a Rick Joyner', but not him only. He claims to have gotten visions from the Lord, and they are a bit strange. Yet Jesus Christ is glorified and proclaimed as Lord, so it the devil doing that? The general message in Rick Joyner's peculiar writings, is that we need to seek our Lord Jesus Christ for ourselves. That is not from the devil, but people scoff. We see it and too often say we should give our testimonies, which are many.

So I say give the testimonies and point people to Jesus Christ our Lord!! There are still going to be scoffers! There are even still going to be religious leaders who want to shut you off. There is nothing new under the sun. Yet while some may scoff others are encouraged because they to have 'extremely strange' testimonies. Simply because the Lord's ways are not our ways.

You logic fails to consult with scripture.
16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” 18 And this she did for many days.
But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour. 19 But when her masters saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities. note she was agreeing with paul and his message and was possessed by a demon. The manifestations are the same as kundalini yoga and if you take the time to watch a video I posted earlier and weigh the evidence it is not difficult to conclude of what spirit this is.

 

[K2K]

You logic fails to consult with scripture.

It is important to read the Scriptures for a number of reasons, but the primarily reason is so that we consults with the Lord!!!!

Have we not read that He is the Wonderful Counselor?

2 Cor 30:19 My the good Lord pardon everyone who prepares his heart to seek God, though not according to the purification rules of the sanctuary. So the Lord heard Hezekiah

Seeking and finding the Lord is not about the "rules" it is simply about preparing your heart and seeking Him!! So what of those who having read the Scriptures are still thinking it is about seeking to consult with the scriptures instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. They are not seeking the Wonderful Counselor but a book written to tell them to seek the Lord!

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, it is these that testify about Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now when I seek the Lord, He often has me go to the Scriptures so show me things. He is the Teacher and He once told me.

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

So we have a Teacher, and He provided the Text Book, but we have to take the class with the Wonderful Counselor/ Teacher! We don't "consult" with the Text Book but we read and study the Text Book as the Teacher, who we don consult with, instructs us!

This morning I sat down to seek the Lord and as always, I found Him, heard from Him and He asked me to open my Bible and pointed me to one verse, 2 Cor 30:19 and He talked to me about how we just need to prepare our hearts to seek Him and then seek Him and we will find, It is not about 'Steps', 'Procedures', 'laws', or 'rules', even those you read in the Bible.

Is 29:13 Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words and honor Me with their lips service, but they remove their hearts far from Me, and their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote

So when we say 'consult' with the Bible instead of 'consult' with the Lord, is there anything that can tell us about ourselves?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

It is important to read the Scriptures for a number of reasons, but the primarily reason is so that we consults with the Lord!!!!

Have we not read that He is the Wonderful Counselor?

2 Cor 30:19 My the good Lord pardon everyone who prepares his heart to seek God, though not according to the purification rules of the sanctuary. So the Lord heard Hezekiah

Seeking and finding the Lord is not about the "rules" it is simply about preparing your heart and seeking Him!! So what of those who having read the Scriptures are still thinking it is about seeking to consult with the scriptures instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. They are not seeking the Wonderful Counselor but a book written to tell them to seek the Lord!

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, it is these that testify about Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now when I seek the Lord, He often has me go to the Scriptures so show me things. He is the Teacher and He once told me.

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

So we have a Teacher, and He provided the Text Book, but we have to take the class with the Wonderful Counselor/ Teacher! We don't "consult" with the Text Book but we read and study the Text Book as the Teacher, who we don consult with, instructs us!

This morning I sat down to seek the Lord and as always, I found Him, heard from Him and He asked me to open my Bible and pointed me to one verse, 2 Cor 30:19 and He talked to me about how we just need to prepare our hearts to seek Him and then seek Him and we will find, It is not about 'Steps', 'Procedures', 'laws', or 'rules', even those you read in the Bible.

Is 29:13 Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words and honor Me with their lips service, but they remove their hearts far from Me, and their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote

So when we say 'consult' with the Bible instead of 'consult' with the Lord, is there anything that can tell us about ourselves?

The LORD speaks to us through the word and not some nebulous experience. When I pray and meditate on the word the LORD is working to bring my life my faith into the image that he desires and that will be one consistent with the doctrines of scripture. So when you speak with the LORD you will be conformed to the word and there should be no hypocrisy. They are like the two wheels on a bike the seeking of the LORD and the word one without the other and you are not going to far.

 

[DennisTate]

It is important to read the Scriptures for a number of reasons, but the primarily reason is so that we consults with the Lord!!!!

Have we not read that He is the Wonderful Counselor?

2 Cor 30:19 My the good Lord pardon everyone who prepares his heart to seek God, though not according to the purification rules of the sanctuary. So the Lord heard Hezekiah

Seeking and finding the Lord is not about the "rules" it is simply about preparing your heart and seeking Him!! So what of those who having read the Scriptures are still thinking it is about seeking to consult with the scriptures instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. They are not seeking the Wonderful Counselor but a book written to tell them to seek the Lord!

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, it is these that testify about Me, and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now when I seek the Lord, He often has me go to the Scriptures so show me things. He is the Teacher and He once told me.

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

So we have a Teacher, and He provided the Text Book, but we have to take the class with the Wonderful Counselor/ Teacher! We don't "consult" with the Text Book but we read and study the Text Book as the Teacher, who we don consult with, instructs us!

This morning I sat down to seek the Lord and as always, I found Him, heard from Him and He asked me to open my Bible and pointed me to one verse, 2 Cor 30:19 and He talked to me about how we just need to prepare our hearts to seek Him and then seek Him and we will find, It is not about 'Steps', 'Procedures', 'laws', or 'rules', even those you read in the Bible.

Is 29:13 Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words and honor Me with their lips service, but they remove their hearts far from Me, and their reverence for Me consists of tradition learned by rote

So when we say 'consult' with the Bible instead of 'consult' with the Lord, is there anything that can tell us about ourselves?

Good points!

 

[K2K]

The LORD speaks to us through the word and not some nebulous experience. When I pray and meditate on the word the LORD is working to bring my life my faith into the image that he desires and that will be one consistent with the doctrines of scripture. So when you speak with the LORD you will be conformed to the word and there should be no hypocrisy. They are like the two wheels on a bike the seeking of the LORD and the word one without the other and you are not going to far.

The Lord might, and I would expect, speak to us about the Scriptures!

However the Scriptures clearly explain that His words are spirit!

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

The Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, so that the Word of God we are preaching is found near us at all times, even in your mouth and heart - not in ink on pages! Those words were given to the people who wrote the Bible. They too might be considered the words of God because those people heard from the Lord and wrote down what they heard. So it is important that we read them, but the word of faith which we are preaching are not those words heard thousands of years ago but rather that He speaks to us personally today.

We often call it 'the small voice'. The small voice of God spoke to those before us and He still speaks to us today. The Word is near you, even when your Bible might be at home. So it is that we are preaching a personal relationship with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit takes the words of God which belong to Jesus Christ and speaks them to our spirit. The Spirit does not speak on His own imitative but like a living telephone line, He speaks what He hears. So just like you might hear from your brother when talking on the phone, you should hear from our Lord Jesus Christ when in the Spirit.


Ref verses:

Rm 10: 8 but what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU - in your mouth and in your heart" - that is, the word of faith which we are preaching

Jn 16: 13-15 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it you.

 

[DennisTate]

The Lord might, and I would expect, speak to us about the Scriptures!

However the Scriptures clearly explain that His words are spirit!

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

The Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, so that the Word of God we are preaching is found near us at all times, even in your mouth and heart - not in ink on pages! Those words were given to the people who wrote the Bible. They too might be considered the words of God because those people heard from the Lord and wrote down what they heard. So it is important that we read them, but the word of faith which we are preaching are not those words heard thousands of years ago but rather that He speaks to us personally today.

We often call it 'the small voice'. The small voice of God spoke to those before us and He still speaks to us today. The Word is near you, even when your Bible might be at home. So it is that we are preaching a personal relationship with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit takes the words of God which belong to Jesus Christ and speaks them to our spirit. The Spirit does not speak on His own imitative but like a living telephone line, He speaks what He hears. So just like you might hear from your brother when talking on the phone, you should hear from our Lord Jesus Christ when in the Spirit.


Ref verses:

Rm 10: 8 but what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU - in your mouth and in your heart" - that is, the word of faith which we are preaching

Jn 16: 13-15 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it you.

I do know that the books by Rick Joyner have helped me greatly even just by listening to them over and over again once I am too tired to read any more for the day.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

The Lord might, and I would expect, speak to us about the Scriptures!

However the Scriptures clearly explain that His words are spirit!

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

The Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit, so that the Word of God we are preaching is found near us at all times, even in your mouth and heart - not in ink on pages! Those words were given to the people who wrote the Bible. They too might be considered the words of God because those people heard from the Lord and wrote down what they heard. So it is important that we read them, but the word of faith which we are preaching are not those words heard thousands of years ago but rather that He speaks to us personally today.

We often call it 'the small voice'. The small voice of God spoke to those before us and He still speaks to us today. The Word is near you, even when your Bible might be at home. So it is that we are preaching a personal relationship with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit takes the words of God which belong to Jesus Christ and speaks them to our spirit. The Spirit does not speak on His own imitative but like a living telephone line, He speaks what He hears. So just like you might hear from your brother when talking on the phone, you should hear from our Lord Jesus Christ when in the Spirit.


Ref verses:

Rm 10: 8 but what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU - in your mouth and in your heart" - that is, the word of faith which we are preaching

Jn 16: 13-15 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it you.

if God's spirit were speaking to everyone then there would be no contradictions between all those who have a thus sayeth the LORD or a vision or near death experience. They would all be in harmony. If you charted the apparitions of Mary and any other who had personal visits from Jesus or saw heaven or hell there would be complete confusion but if we stick to the word of God and the spirit of God will guide us according to His word. The spirit will never tell you to leave your wife and marry another mans wife . The Spirit will not contradict the scriptures.

 

[K2K]

if God's spirit were speaking to everyone then there would be no contradictions between all those who have a thus sayeth the LORD or a vision or near death experience. They would all be in harmony. If you charted the apparitions of Mary and any other who had personal visits from Jesus or saw heaven or hell there would be complete confusion but if we stick to the word of God and the spirit of God will guide us according to His word. The spirit will never tell you to leave your wife and marry another mans wife . The Spirit will not contradict the scriptures.

There are several problems with the above statements.

First: Jesus said He did and said only what the Father told Him - we don't!!! We are not the word of God, He is. That doesn't mean we can't hear from Him, but none of us are called "The Word of God", only, He does and says only what the Father told Him. So we are going to say things that are not of Him, thus contradiction!

That doesn't mean His sheep don't hear His voice, but only that we don't listen to Him like we should!

Second: Even Jesus didn't think understanding the depths of God was something to me fully understood - So we don't fully understand the depths of what God tells us even when we hear from Him. So I can read something that Rick Joyner heard from the Lord and get something out of it, but another person can also read it and get something different out of it and neither understand what the other got out of reading the same thing. But I am not really talking about Rick Joyner, am I, I am talking about the Bible. We all read it and come to different conclusions. So why did the people in the past treat the prophets who wrote the Bible so bad? Isn't it the same reason people come against a Rick Joyner.

Basically we are still not listening to the Lord like we should!!

Third: We people are rebellious sinners!! It shows up in us not seeking the Lord like we should, and that shows up in lots of different ways; confusion, contradictions, lack of harmony, and just plain wrong conclusions. Because of our wrong conclusion, we say things like "The Spirit will not contradict the scriptures" which of course is wrong. The Spirit will not contradict Himself, but because the Scriptures are not up for your interpretation but the Spirits, you don't know what is a contradiction, and your statement "The Spirit will not contradict the scriptures" clearly comes with the implication of leaning on your own understanding not the Holy Spirits! Again, we are not listening to Him like we should!! Because we are a stubborn and rebellious people!

And I could go on, but if you haven't picked up the message I have yet let me just post what the Father's message was.

"Mat 17:5... a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"

We are not doing that like we should, so 'contradictions', 'confusion', 'lack of harmony', and even the foolish mistake of calling the Scriptures by His name comes from not listening to Him like we should.

We tend to search the Scriptures thinking in them we have life, instead of coming to Him for a word from God.

Jn 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

So we seek the Scriptures instead of seeking Him and what He has to say. We don't listen so the lines of text in the Bible have become the Word of God to us instead of Him!

Is 28:12,13.... He who said to them.... but they would not listen, So the word of the Lord to them will be... Line on line, line on line...That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared, and taken captive.

If, like Isaiah wrote, we don't listen the word of the Lord to us will be line on line, line on line - the Scriptures because we don't know Jesus Christ is really there to be inquired of! We don't seek Him, we search the Scriptures instead of turning to Him, just like it is written in the Scriptures! So we don't believe the very scriptures we are putting our faith in, because they say to put our faith in Him who speaks!

 

[Steven Beck]

There are several problems with the above statements.

First: Jesus said He did and said only what the Father told Him - we don't!!! We are not the word of God, He is. That doesn't mean we can't hear from Him, but none of us are called "The Word of God", only, He does and says only what the Father told Him. So we are going to say things that are not of Him, thus contradiction!

Welcome to the "hate Rick Joyner discussions" K2K

I started reading the Quest and The Call back in 2004. Just reading and trying to apply some of the principles elevated my spiritual understandings. What most Christians or supposed Christians don't seem to understand is that SCRIPTURE is the beginning and the foundations of God's Word. They don't understand that there is more, the "Manna from heaven". If we glorify The Father, Son and Holy Spirit then we are on the right track, if we glorify ourselves we are on the wrong track.

Good job here and hope you enjoy banging you head against the brick wall of religious theology.

 

[DennisTate]

Welcome to the "hate Rick Joyner discussions" K2K

I started reading the Quest and The Call back in 2004. Just reading and trying to apply some of the principles elevated my spiritual understandings. What most Christians or supposed Christians don't seem to understand is that SCRIPTURE is the beginning and the foundations of God's Word. They don't understand that there is more, the "Manna from heaven". If we glorify The Father, Son and Holy Spirit then we are on the right track, if we glorify ourselves we are on the wrong track.

Good job here and hope you enjoy banging you head against the brick wall of religious theology.

AWESOME reply Steven Beck.........
and on that note have I got some information for you regarding the Rapture that begins at the 54:00 minute mark in this shocking sermon from Kevin Zadai who had a near death experience and had his theology all cleared up for him.......

 

[Steven Beck]

and on that note have I got some information for you regarding the Rapture that begins at the 54:00 minute mark in this shocking sermon from Kevin Zadai who had a near death experience and had his theology all cleared up for him.......

I am not too worried about the Rapture or the tribulation. I have not had any prophesy confirmed and
I may not live long enough to witness it. Many 'prophets' are saying the Beast will come at the end of Trumps Presidency (2025) so Jesus will return around 2032. There are even secular academics who point to a cataclysm in 2032 (Martin Armstrong). Rick Joyner's mission is to build an army for the Lord. He has been doing that through Morningstar University with their Leadership course and Special Forces course. I think Trump's Presidency in his 2nd term will create the worldwide conditions for a Great Awakening. However for me it is speculation and hope it is true.

 

[DennisTate]

I am not too worried about the Rapture or the tribulation. I have not had any prophesy confirmed and
I may not live long enough to witness it. Many 'prophets' are saying the Beast will come at the end of Trumps Presidency (2025) so Jesus will return around 2032. There are even secular academics who point to a cataclysm in 2032 (Martin Armstrong). Rick Joyner's mission is to build an army for the Lord. He has been doing that through Morningstar University with their Leadership course and Special Forces course. I think Trump's Presidency in his 2nd term will create the worldwide conditions for a Great Awakening. However for me it is speculation and hope it is true.

Yes....... I heard that Dr. Kevin Zadai state that he was shown the rapture being more like how Enoch was translated into a higher invisible dimension once he got to a certain level of spiritual power and authority.

Actually...... .I suspect that people who obsessively study about the Rapture might even turn it into something of an idol and actually be rejected from being raptured when it does happen.