The Book of Revelation

[Riberra]

YOU are guilty of altering scripture to suit your theories.
Re Matthew 24:29-30, people will mourn because they have failed to acknowledge God and now it's too late. We Christians will rejoice as we see out Lord and Saviour coming. Psalms 106:1-5 + +

You never take into consideration what is mentioned in Revelation 14:9-12 for some reasons ???... Those who will take the mark will be destroyed unto the Coming of Jesus along the armies of the World]...and their place into the lake of fire at the moment of the Great White Throne Judgment after the millennium is garanty.

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You should study Revelation 14 with more attention...it tell us about a NEW DISPENSATION [for a period of 42 months with NEW RULES WHICH WILL APPLY TO ALL THE CHRISTIANS AS WELL ...until the Coming of Jesus in Glory to save us]The road will be far more uneasy than you imagine, if you are not part of the 144,000 sealed or the WOMAN [Many Jews in Jerusalem mentioned in Revelation 11:13 that will convert after they will see the two witnesses resurrect]

 

[keras]

You never take into consideration what is mentioned in Revelation 14:9-12 for some reasons ???... Those who will take the mark will be destroyed unto the Coming of Jesus along the armies of the World]...and their place into the lake of fire at the moment of the Great White Throne Judgment after the millennium is garanty.

I do not see in Rev 14, where those who took the mark of the beast, will be killed along with the army of the AC . Another of your additions to scripture.
Tormented in the Lake of Fire, yes; that will happen after the GWT Judgement, as you say.

the WOMAN [Many Jews in Jerusalem mentioned in Revelation 11:13 that will convert after they will see the two witnesses resurrect]

The 'woman' of Rev 12; Jews? Rubbish, that idea is totally against Bible teaching.
They are Christians, as we can plainly see from verse 17.

 

[Riberra]

I do not see in Rev 14, where those who took the mark of the beast, will be killed along with the army of the AC . Another of your additions to scripture.

Revelation 14
10 The same shall drink of the wine of THE WRATH of God, which is POURED OUT without mixture into THE CUP of his indignation;

The Wrath of God = The 7 Vials (CUPS)
Revelation 16 the 7 vials [CUPS] of the WRATH of GOD that will be POURED OUT. Jesus COME AS A THIEF AT THE END OF THE 6 TH VIAL ...Revelation 16:14-17

Then the 7th vial will be poured out which include the destruction of those who have taken the mark ....their final Judgment will happen After the millennium AT The Great White Throne Judgment....

The 'woman' of Rev 12; Jews? Rubbish, that idea is totally against Bible teaching.
They are Christians, as we can plainly see from verse 17.

The remnant of The WOMAN seed are Christians ....

Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You have lost your capacity to interpret the Bible prophecies correctly when you have introduced your CME hypothesis mantra as being the WRATH OF GOD....and that Israel territory will became a place of protection for the Christians during the tribulation ....While Jesus say to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE in
Revelation 18:4
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Not only that you are totally lost in the twilight zone about prophecies but also about how to find the proper way to calculate the genealogy from Adam to Abraham ...
The correct method of calculation here [page 3]:
Ancient Hebrew Calendar

Versus
Link to page 1 about your "calculation methodology" in your post #15
Here:
Ancient Hebrew Calendar

 

[keras]

You have lost your capacity to interpret the Bible prophecies correctly when you have introduced your CME hypothesis mantra as being the WRATH OF GOD....and that Israel territory will became a place of protection for the Christians during the tribulation

While there are over 70 prophesies saying that the Lord will use fire on His terrible Day of wrath, it is you that fails to properly read or understand God's plans for these last days.
It is Babylon, the ungodly nations, that we are told to get out of. Spiritually for now and literally in the near future.

 

[Riberra]

While there are over 70 prophesies saying that the Lord will use fire on His terrible Day of wrath, it is you that fails to properly read or understand God's plans for these last days.

There is no fire coming from Heaven mentioned at the opening of the 6 TH SEAL but a terrible earthquake...
Revelation 6:12-14

It is Babylon, the ungodly nations, that we are told to get out of. Spiritually for now and literally in the near future.

The Babylon mentioned in Revelation 17 And Revelation 18 is a CITY...

 

[keras]

There is no fire coming from Heaven mentioned at the opening of the 6 TH SEAL but a terrible earthquake...
Revelation 6:12-14

The Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lord's wrath.
Over 100 other prophesies describe that Day, as one of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. The cosmic things of Rev 6:12-17, such as the moon blood red and our satellites crashing back to earth, or a meteor shower are far more than just a earthquake, as you downplay it.
An Coronal Mass Ejection it the ONLY way that a seemingly natural event can literally fulfil all the graphic descriptions about that Day.

The Babylon mentioned in Revelation 17 And Revelation 18 is a CITY...

Yes it is. But 'Babylon' is also used as a metaphor for any ungodly people or nation. Isaiah 52:11

 

[mark kennedy]

The Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lord's wrath.
Over 100 other prophesies describe that Day, as one of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. The cosmic things of Rev 6:12-17, such as the moon blood red and our satellites crashing back to earth, or a meteor shower are far more than just a earthquake, as you downplay it.

Concerning the, 'Day of the Lord':
Its a day of darkness (Amos 5:8), every man's heart will melt" ( Isa 13:7 ), the heavens will cease to shine ( Isa 13:10 ), the moon turning to blood ( Joel 2:30-31 ), It’s the day of decision ( Isa 2:12-18 ), in the Valley of Jehoshaphat ( Joel 3:2 Joel 3:12-13 ), which is called in Hebrew Armageddon.

At the opening of the four seals, the white, red, black and pale rider, probably all representing the rise of the Antichrist. The little horn destroys three larger kingdoms and are martyrs beneath the altar asking when God will avenge their blood, no doubt, shed during his inaugural, bloody infamous rampage. The sixth seal is an answer to that prayer, it describes the cataclysms of Joel to a tee. There's an earthquake, sun is black and the moon is blood red, the stars fall and the heavens recede like a scroll, every mountain and island moved. This proud army that made the nations tremble now well below the earth terrified at the wrath of the Lamb, cowering in caves saying, 'the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Rev. 6:13-17)

Now that seems like it would be the end but this is just the beginning. The man of sin waits till the smoke clears and rallies them. Probably with speeches like this one,

The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
“Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.” (Psalm 2:2,3)

There are three rounds of judgments, the seals, trumpets and vials of wrath. During the Trumpet blasts a third of the earth, sea, waters and heavens are struck. Demons released from Abaddon, also known as Apollyon. The Euphrates is stomped dry by the armies of the world drawn together like the Leviathan being drawn out by hooks in his jaws. At this time the kingdom of earth becomes the kingdom of God but strangely, the rampage of the armies of the Antichrist continues and now targets repentant Israel, that flees to the wilderness where those pursuing them are swallowed up by the earth.

Even after the viles of wrath their lust for blood and violence are not satisfied. They have endured the wrath of God and survived, they mass in some natural amphitheater, a large valley I suppose. Like a restless sea or a rock concert they cheer, who is like the beast, who can make war with the beast.

Yes it is. But 'Babylon' is also used as a metaphor for any ungodly people or nation. Isaiah 52:11

She rides the back of the beast, sitting on the many waters. Egypt had the Nile, Babylon the Tigris and the Mediterranean literally means 'middle of the earth' for a reason. Trade and ill-gotten spoil is the order of the day, she funds his war machine and he loots the luxurious places across the globe sending his spoils to her.

Strangest of all, at their apex they are struck down in a moment, the end is largely anticlimactic. He has told them for seven years they can fight God and when then he and the false prophet are swept away in an instant and the rest are not far behind. She's not just any ungodly people, she is all of them and she is destroyed in a day.

Anyway I like expositions, hope you enjoyed this one. Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Revealing Times]

The biggest advocate of the post-trib rapture in the whole world admits the rapture happens in Revelation 7 citing Christians will suddenly appear in heaven before the throne of God said Pastor Steven L. Anderson.

So much for the argument of a post-trib rapture. This is like Hal Lindsey saying Christians don't go to heaven in a rapture but does a U-turn in the clouds before coming back down to earth after the tribulation. Things aren't going so well when a huge post-tribber admits Christians do go to heaven in the rapture.

Hes wrong there also, in that he doesn't understand that Revelation is not in chronological order. Those in Rev. 7 came from the Rapture.

 

[Riberra]

The Sixth Seal IS the Day of the Lord's wrath.
Over 100 other prophesies describe that Day, as one of fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. The cosmic things of Rev 6:12-17, such as the moon blood red and our satellites crashing back to earth, or a meteor shower are far more than just a earthquake, as you downplay it.
An Coronal Mass Ejection it the ONLY way that a seemingly natural event can literally fulfil all the graphic descriptions about that Day.

A Coronal Mass Ejection is not a fire --- A Coronal Mass Ejection is made of electrically charged particles named [a plasma ]....

A big CME can cause disruption on the electrical grid and can cause power failure because of the electical overcharge... I was living in The Province of Quebec when a power failure was caused by such super massive Coronal Mass Ejection in 1987....and as you can see i have survived from a direct major CME hit right over my province!!!

Yes it is. But 'Babylon' is also used as a metaphor for any ungodly people or nation. Isaiah 52:11

In the time of Isaiah only the obedien Jews were godly... The Hebrew being the chosed people of God during those times ...

 

[1stcenturylady]

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

Revelation and Daniel should be studied together.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hes wrong there also, in that he doesn't understand that Revelation is not in chronological order. Those in Rev. 7 came from the Rapture.

I agree that Revelation is not in chronological order, in fact, it starts over a number of times. However, I do not agree that Rev. 7 came from the rapture, but only if you are referring to a pre-trib. rapture.

 

[BABerean2]

I agree that Revelation is not in chronological order, in fact, it starts over a number of times. However, I do not agree that Rev. 7 came from the rapture, but only if you are referring to a pre-trib. rapture.

You are 100% correct about the Book of Revelation not being in chronological order.



Some of the confusion about who is in heaven and when, may come from the fact that the word heaven can mean...

...our atmosphere, where the birds fly

...our solar system where the planets now orbit

...where God now resides

When Christ returns and resurrects the dead, we may go up in our new bodies to meet Christ in our atmosphere, but that does not mean we will go to where God now resides for a 7 year period.

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, the New Heavens and the New Earth come here on the "Day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief", also found in Revelation 16:15-16.

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[mark kennedy]

Hes wrong there also, in that he doesn't understand that Revelation is not in chronological order. Those in Rev. 7 came from the Rapture.

You are 100% correct about the Book of Revelation not being in chronological order.

The statement is baseless, the chronological order is obvious. The opening of the first seal starts the Tribulation, which is 7 years. The order of events could be over in a few months. In fact the book is almost perfectly divided into three sections centered on the seals (Rev. ch. 1-7), trumpets (Rev. ch. 8-14), vials (15-21):

Seals:
6 Seals opened (Rev. 6:1-17), 7th seal opened (Rev. 8:1)

1) The White Rider with a crown and a bow.
2) The Red Rider with a great sword.
3) The Black Rider with a scale.
4) The Pale Rider, death and hell follow.
5) Martyrs beneath the altar
6) The Wrath of the Lamb
7) Silence in heaven.​

Trumpets:
6 Trumpets (Rev. 8:6-9:21), 7th Trumpet (Rev. 11:15-19)

1) A third of the earth was burned up.
2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
3) A third of the waters turned bitter
4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
5) The Locusts from the Abyss.
6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates.
7) Thy Kingdom come.​

Vials:
7 Vials of Wrath poured out (Rev. 16:1-21)

1) Ugly, festering sores
2) Sea turned to blood.
3) Springs turned to blood.
4) Sun scorch.
5) Throne of the Beast struck.
6) Armageddon.
7) Global Earthquake.
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We know it's 7 years from the prophecy in Danial

"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place. (Danial 9:24)​

The Messiah arrives in Jerusalem 69 weeks or 490 years:

From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ (Dan. 9:25)​

That leaves on week, a seven year period that is currently suspended because Israel rejected the Messiah, starts at the opening of the first seal. The first 6 Trumpets are sounded 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation:

They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev. 11:2,3)
​

So the seals start the Tribulation, the trumpets are complete in 3 1/2 years and the vials of wrath are poured out near the end. Read the actual text people, making it up as you go along is taunting the warning in the closing lines:

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Rev. 22:18,19)
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Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[BABerean2]

The statement is baseless, the chronological order is obvious. The opening of the first seal starts the Tribulation, which is 7 years. The order of events could be over in a few months. In fact the book is almost perfectly divided into three sections centered on the seals (Rev. ch. 1-7), trumpets (Rev. ch. 8-14), vials (15-21):

Seals:
6 Seals opened (Rev. 6:1-17), 7th seal opened (Rev. 8:1)

1) The White Rider with a crown and a bow.
2) The Red Rider with a great sword.
3) The Black Rider with a scale.
4) The Pale Rider, death and hell follow.
5) Martyrs beneath the altar
6) The Wrath of the Lamb
7) Silence in heaven.​

Trumpets:
6 Trumpets (Rev. 8:6-9:21), 7th Trumpet (Rev. 11:15-19)

1) A third of the earth was burned up.
2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
3) A third of the waters turned bitter
4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
5) The Locusts from the Abyss.
6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates.
7) Thy Kingdom come.​

Vials:
7 Vials of Wrath poured out (Rev. 16:1-21)

1) Ugly, festering sores
2) Sea turned to blood.
3) Springs turned to blood.
4) Sun scorch.
5) Throne of the Beast struck.
6) Armageddon.
7) Global Earthquake.
​

We know it's 7 years from the prophecy in Danial

"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place. (Danial 9:24)​

The Messiah arrives in Jerusalem 69 weeks or 490 years:

From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ (Dan. 9:25)​

That leaves on week, a seven year period that is currently suspended because Israel rejected the Messiah, starts at the opening of the first seal. The first 6 Trumpets are sounded 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation:

They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev. 11:2,3)
​

So the seals start the Tribulation, the trumpets are complete in 3 1/2 years and the vials of wrath are poured out near the end. Read the actual text people, making it up as you go along is taunting the warning in the closing lines:

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Rev. 22:18,19)
​

Grace and peace,
Mark

The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. It is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared.
Christ is the New Covenant Messiah as revealed by Matthew 26:28.

You have taken the covenant "with the many" in Daniel 9:27, which is the same covenant "with the many" in Matthew 26:28 and have converted it into a treaty broken by an antichrist not found in the chapter, by adding a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel Gabriel.

You are also ignoring the period of time when the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people, during the first century.

The 1599 Geneva Bible was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
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from the 1599 Geneva Bible

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

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We find below text which shows that Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled by Christ during the first century.

Dan 9:24　 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

　
Act 10:38　 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.　
(This occurred at His baptism.)

Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　
(This is a reference to the New Covenant.)
Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　
(also found in Daniel 9:24)
Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.　
(This was the New Covenant fulfilled at Calvary, and revealed in Matthew 26:28.)

The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.

The New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.

God will not go back and save modern Jews under the now "obsolete" Old Covenant during a future time period of 7 years. It is the greatest error of John Darby's doctrine.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church, during a future time.
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Explain the "time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, if you think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.

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[Riberra]

The 'woman' of Rev 12; Jews? Rubbish, that idea is totally against Bible teaching.

Not all the JEWS ...
ONLY Those mentioned in Revelation 11:13...who will see these events in Jerusalem ...the resurrection of the two witnesses ...who will GIVE GLORY TO THE GOD OF HEAVEN

Revelation 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

This precede Revelation 12 .... //Revelation 11:13 is part of the SECOND WOE

Revelation 11:14
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the THE THIRD WOE cometh quickly.

The THIRD WOE will be Satan and his fallen angels being cast out of Heaven[Revelation 12:7-12] and the establishment of the reign of the Beast [ANGEL ABADDON Revelation 11:7 --Revelation 9:11] for 42 months [Revelation 13]until the coming of Jesus as a thief mentioned in Revelation 16:15.

 

[keras]

A Coronal Mass Ejection is not a fire --- A Coronal Mass Ejection is made of electrically charged particles named [a plasma ]....

So you think that a billion tons of superheated hydrogen plasma striking the earth; wouldn't be described as a 'fire'? Over 70 prophesies describe the Lord's Day of wrath as a fire. Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6, 2 Peter 3:7, + +
Joel 2:2b says that this CME strike will be the like has never been known before and will never be again. That is: of unprecedented magnitude, not just a little fizzer like what happened in Quebec.

Not all the JEWS ...
ONLY Those mentioned in Revelation 11:13...who will see these events in Jerusalem ...the resurrection of the two witnesses ...who will GIVE GLORY TO THE GOD OF HEAVEN

Who is it that gives glory to God in heaven? Christians, that's who.
The people who will move to and live in all of the holy Land, soon after the entire Middle east is cleared and cleansed by the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire. Jeremiah 10:18, Malachi 4:1-3, verse 2 describes the Christian peoples.
But, as we know from, Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt, will attack and conquer them and I see the 7000 killed by the Rev 11:13 earthquake, as belonging to the AC's army. Although we see in Daniel 11:32, that some of the Christians do violate the Covenant and they may be killed for that.

 

[Revealing Times]

The statement is baseless, the chronological order is obvious. The opening of the first seal starts the Tribulation, which is 7 years. The order of events could be over in a few months. In fact the book is almost perfectly divided into three sections centered on the seals (Rev. ch. 1-7), trumpets (Rev. ch. 8-14), vials (15-21):

I said the book of Revelation is not in Chronological order. I did not say the Seals/Trumpets and Vials are not in Chronological order. You do realize that both can be true statements right? Revelation 19 is the Full Seven Year Period. Revelation 12 has a MID-WAY POINT (Israel flees at the 1260 Mark) just like Revelation 6 begins at the MID-WAY POINT. Rev. 13 starts at the MID-WAY POINT, as the Beast arises out of the Sea (When the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem he becomes the Beast).

Revelation 17 is not a real time event. REMEMBER, Rev. 16:17 finises with IT IS DONE. Then In Rev. 16:19 Jesus defeats the Beast/Anti-Christ//Babylon. So Rev. 17 really happens during the Four Horsemen's being released. It is all Religion being destroyed.

Revelation 18 is only Babylon being destroyed by God, with plagues, the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. So those two chapters are not in order. Revelation 19 is the same as Rev. 16 which says IT IS DONE.

Revelation 7 is the Church n Heaven, no doubt they came at the Rapture, so that event is a Seven Year Event also. The Seals/Trumpets and Vials are in perfect order....Nothing else is.

 

[Revealing Times]

I agree that Revelation is not in chronological order, in fact, it starts over a number of times. However, I do not agree that Rev. 7 came from the rapture, but only if you are referring to a pre-trib. rapture.

I didn't quite get your meaning. The Rapture happens before the Tribulation Starts.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I didn't quite get your meaning. The Rapture happens before the Tribulation Starts.

Revelation 7 is about the saints that come out of the GT.

 

[mark kennedy]

The New Covenant was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. It is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared.
Christ is the New Covenant Messiah as revealed by Matthew 26:28.

You have taken the covenant "with the many" in Daniel 9:27, which is the same covenant "with the many" in Matthew 26:28 and have converted it into a treaty broken by an antichrist not found in the chapter, by adding a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel Gabriel.

You are also ignoring the period of time when the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people, during the first century.

The 1599 Geneva Bible was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
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from the 1599 Geneva Bible

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

.........................................................

Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023

.........................................................

We find below text which shows that Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled by Christ during the first century.

Dan 9:24　 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

　
Act 10:38　 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.　
(This occurred at His baptism.)

Heb 10:16　 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;　
(This is a reference to the New Covenant.)
Heb 10:17　 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.　
(also found in Daniel 9:24)
Heb 10:18　 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.　
(This was the New Covenant fulfilled at Calvary, and revealed in Matthew 26:28.)

The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.

The New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.

God will not go back and save modern Jews under the now "obsolete" Old Covenant during a future time period of 7 years. It is the greatest error of John Darby's doctrine.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church, during a future time.
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Explain the "time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, if you think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.

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I can't find hardly anything here I disagree with, some of the discussion of the covenant seems tweaked but otherwise sound. The passage in 11:18 is at the sounding of the seventh trumpet, this second round of judgments has seized control of the earth, God won't take possession for another 3 1/2 years. The angel made this statement before sounding the trumpet:

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants, the prophets." (Rev. 10:7)​

At they time they will know what even the prophets and apostles didn't know, exactly how God judges the nations at the end of the age. There is no resurrection there, that doesn't happen to the very end:

(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. (Rev. 20:5)
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The first resurrection is at the end of the tribulation, the final one is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ.