The Big Fat Thread

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Ok! I am obese..300 pounds..63 yrs old plagued with health problems that go along with obesety. Obesety in it's self is not a sin....Glottony is a sin..right up there with drinking and other social "sins". But the sin is also the result of a "sin"....God gave us 5 senses, sight, hearing, taste, smelling, and feeling. to enjoy the sensation of worshiping God.. and feeling the emotion of loving God. (a lot of this is in THe Song Solomon). We have turned it into the lusts of the flesh.
We see that beautiful chocolate slowly falling over a huge dish of ice cream and hear the bubbly, fizzing of a giant coke,,,and our body quivers and we salivate and our pupils dialate..and we reach out towards the tv with quivering hands and cry "give me give me>>>>>"

THanks, now I'm hungry.

A sin, acording to Genisis that is punishable by death. (Eve SAW the fruit and Saw that is was good...and ate it.) It was better, in fact, in her mind, then the pleasure of obeying God. she died.
Since then Jesus has paid the cost for our sins. So we don't die...eternally... No! that does not make them right.
Bit a Christian goal is not to condeme people or judge people..infact the Bible is strictly against that. ...It is to show people away out of the death sentence laid on us by Eve. And that is by becoming a Christian....
By the way, I ask God to heal me of my overweight... He said "get your hand out of the cookie jar."
Love Pony

I like this part of your post. It's just sad that some people don't think that way about all sins.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Very ammusing thread , however one might want to note that gluttony isnt a sin according to the bible in itself , its root being in selfishness is . Its looked down upon , but is not one of the 613 laws that were given by God for the knowledge of sin .

Gluttony being a sin comes primarily from the roman catholic church's Pope Gregory's list of the 7 deadly sins in the 6th century. Not the bible .

Lastly ,biblical gluttony has to do with revelry and selfishness , not merely eating , but eating in a selfish manner , reveling in excess , taking from someone else .

Deuteronomy 21:20 "And they shall say to the elders of his city, `This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.'

Proverbs 23:21 for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe a man with rags.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, `Look, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children.''

Luke 7:34 "The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, `Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!

These are the only instances of the word found in the kjv bible and i checked several other versions too and you may find one more verse in another version but they match these verses in context as well .

The niv is good with the context of the proverbs about this topic :
Proverbs 23
1. When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you,
2. and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.
3. Do not crave his delicacies, for that food is deceptive.
4. Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint.
5. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle.
6. Do not eat the food of a stingy man, do not crave his delicacies;
7. for he is the kind of man who is always thinking about the cost. "Eat and drink," he says to you, but his heart is not with you.

Its about selfishness .

Here are the verses that are in other versions using this term :

Proverbs 28:7. He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.

Titus 1:12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.''

So we see all the uses of this term in the bible , and none of them include any part of the law which was given for the knowledge of sin .

The sinfulness of it , has to do with selfishness which is a sin . The same with other things that have a root of selfishness , lust , envy ,greed , and drunkeness .By committing these acts , we are not loving our neighbor as ourselves , and we are putting them before God as well which IS sin .

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Very ammusing thread , however one might want to note that gluttony isnt a sin according to the bible in itself , its root being in selfishness is . Its looked down upon , but is not one of the 613 laws that were given by God for the knowledge of sin .

Gluttony being a sin comes primarily from the roman catholic church's Pope Gregory's list of the 7 deadly sins in the 6th century. Not the bible .

Lastly ,biblical gluttony has to do with revelry and selfishness , not merely eating , but eating in a selfish manner , reveling in excess , taking from someone else .

Deuteronomy 21:20 "And they shall say to the elders of his city, `This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.'

Proverbs 23:21 for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe a man with rags.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, `Look, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children.''

Luke 7:34 "The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, `Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!

These are the only instances of the word found in the kjv bible and i checked several other versions too and you may find one more verse in another version but they match these verses in context as well .

The niv is good with the context of the proverbs about this topic :
Proverbs 23
1. When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you,
2. and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.
3. Do not crave his delicacies, for that food is deceptive.
4. Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint.
5. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle.
6. Do not eat the food of a stingy man, do not crave his delicacies;
7. for he is the kind of man who is always thinking about the cost. "Eat and drink," he says to you, but his heart is not with you.

Its about selfishness .

Here are the verses that are in other versions using this term :

Proverbs 28:7. He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.

Titus 1:12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.''

So we see all the uses of this term in the bible , and none of them include any part of the law which was given for the knowledge of sin .

The sinfulness of it , has to do with selfishness which is a sin . The same with other things that have a root of selfishness , lust , envy ,greed , and drunkeness .By committing these acts , we are not loving our neighbor as ourselves , and we are putting them before God as well which IS sin .

That's nice. I interpret it differently, and only I can be right.

 

[TeddyKGB]

No, but yours is not tolerant of Chrstianity either. If I were to say that homosexual acts were not supported by the Bible, that can be construed as hate speech, and I would be locked up for it. You guys have no freedom of speech, unless it's denegrating language about Christianity.

This kind of persecution mentality is almost as damaging as real persecution.

If hate speech laws targeted only Christian anti-homosexuality speech, then you would have a point. They don't, so you don't.

 

[tpony298]

THanks, now I'm hungry.






I like this part of your post. It's just sad that some people don't think that way about all sins.

So does this mean you just might allow me to wirness to you one day about becoming a Christian and joining my journey in search of the truth?

Love Pony

 

[freealaska]

That's nice. I interpret it differently, and only I can be right.

A more apt analysis of those comments would be:

"Way to twist scripture to try and justify your own sinful lifestyle choice! Next you'll be arguing that we have to force-feed skinny kids lard at school because of your Pro-Glutton Gormandizer Agenda!"

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

So does this mean you just might allow me to wirness to you one day about becoming a Christian and joining my journey in search of the truth?

Love Pony

Mmm, probably not.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

A more apt analysis of those comments would be:

"Way to twist scripture to try and justify your own sinful lifestyle choice! Next you'll be arguing that we have to force-feed skinny kids lard at school because of your Pro-Glutton Gormandizer Agenda!"

 

[Angel4Truth]

A more apt analysis of those comments would be:

"Way to twist scripture to try and justify your own sinful lifestyle choice! Next you'll be arguing that we have to force-feed skinny kids lard at school because of your Pro-Glutton Gormandizer Agenda!"

I welcome your line by line critque and your evidence that gluttony is one of the 613 laws God gave for the knowledge of sin . In fact , i insist per board rules your evidence that i " twisted" anything in that post from scripture since most of it was merely quoting verbatim from the bible where the word is used . Ill eagarly await your biblical expertise and exegesis.

 

[TeddyKGB]

Love Pony

You might want to include a comma between these two words in the future.

 

[tpony298]

You might want to include a comma between these two words in the future.

Oh my goodness, I never saw that...it is all over the internet...

Thank you so much....In Christian love, Pony...

 

[Spherical Time]

I welcome your line by line critque and your evidence that gluttony is one of the 613 laws God gave for the knowledge of sin . In fact , i insist per board rules your evidence that i " twisted" anything in that post from scripture since most of it was merely quoting verbatim from the bible where the word is used . Ill eagarly await your biblical expertise and exegesis.

Ezekiel 16:49 says that gluttony is a sin, as do Deu 21:20, Pro 23:2 Pro 23:21, Phi 3:19, Psa 10:3, Rom 8:6-8, 1 Cor 6:19-20, 2 Tim 3:1-9, Titus 1:12!

The BIBLE SAYS THAT IF GLUTTONS WERE TRULY SAVED, THEY WOULD NOT BE GLUTTONS: ROMANS 12:1-2!!!!! Unrepetant gluttons are disobediant to GOD!!!! GOD OWNS YOUR BODIES, and DEMANDS that you reject the eating disorders that destroy you.

Deu 11:32 says that the law must be obeyed! DEU 21:18-21 SAYS THAT GLUTTONY IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH!!

REMEMBER, CHRIST WAS SENT BY GOD TO SAVE YOU!!!!! JOHN 3:16!! If you aren't saved then YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!!

 

[Kroger99]

Sorry, I couldn't get past the first few sentences because your numbers are incorrect.


100% of us are living in sin

 

[loriersea]

No, but yours is not tolerant of Chrstianity either. If I were to say that homosexual acts were not supported by the Bible, that can be construed as hate speech, and I would be locked up for it. You guys have no freedom of speech, unless it's denegrating language about Christianity.

Then how do so many televangelists, right-wing preachers, and conservative politicians get away with saying that every single time I listen to the radio or watch a TV?

Obviously, given that people say that homosexual acts are sinful and that the Bible says they are wrong all the time, including in the media, nobody gets arrested for that, and it's not hate speech. What WOULD be hate speech would be saying, "The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death. You must put homosexuals to death." That is inciting people to violence, and that is not allowed.

But if you have any evidence of anyone in the United States being arrested and charged with a hate crime for saying that homosexuality was a sin and that the Bible says it is wrong, let me know, because I'd like to see it.

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As to the topic at hand, I think the problem is that "obesity" is being associated with gluttony. The two are not synonymous. Some obese people are gluttonous. Some thin people are gluttonous. My husband and I are good friends with a couple who both eat A LOT. The woman weighs about 300 pounds, and while she likes big meals, she eats quite a bit less than her boyfriend, who is very thin. I've met her mother, her aunt, and her sister, and they are all big women. I've met her boyfriend's father and brother, and they are thin people. I'm a little more than half her size, and it's not unusual for me to eat more than her at a meal.

Body sizes vary. In any population where there is adequate food, there is going to be enormous variations in body size, from those who are very thin to those who are quite large. That has nothing to do with gluttony, but with human diversity.

And, some people who fit the government's standards for "obese" are actually very fit. I remember reading a magazine article a few years back about how a number of Olympic-level U.S. athletes would be considered "obese" by medical standards, because of their weight and height. But, they are obviously not unfit or overfat, they are just over what is considered an "ideal" weight for women.

That said, obviously many obese people do eat too much and exercise too little. But, so do many normal weight people, and even many underweight people are quite out of shape. I think we've all known extremely skinny people who never work out and smoke a lot and are not at all paragons of health. To point to overweight or obese people and say that they are gluttonous is just false. Some are, some aren't. Even some extremely large people have metabolic problems and their weight is not due to gluttony, but to other issues. Or, some people are very large because they did have a problem with overeating, and their metabolism became some messed up that now they can't lose weight eating normal amounts of food.

I think that, if we are going to talk about sin, being obsessed with one's body and what one eats is as much a sin as gluttony. When people don't obsess about their weight and eat what their body (genuinely) wants, they tend to hit a weight they can maintain pretty easily, and that weight varies a lot depending on the person. Some people will do that and be thin; others will do it and be fat. But I think that in either case they are acting less sinfully in regards to food than those who spend thousands of dollars each year and obsess about food in order to maintain what is considered to be an "ideal" weight.

 

[Mariette]

I can't believe what I saw here. I really, really can't. Thank you -all- who made smart-ass comments, or condemned those with medical conditions. Just remember, how you judge so to will you be judged.

I am deeply embarassed to be of the same faith as so many of you "Christians" who have posted on this thread. It actually makes me ill physically.

I should have known better -not- to come to these forums. That I would only see the same close-mindedness and false sense of superiority that I see elsewhere.

~Mari

 

[Talmidah]

Some obese people are just born that way?

 

[Mariette]

Talmidah,
Scientifically, yes.

But the general consensus here seems to be no. That no matter what medical condition someone may have that has caused them to gain weight, they're living a sinful lifestyle "choice" and will be punished.

Disgusting.

 

[Spherical Time]

I can't believe what I saw here. I really, really can't. Thank you -all- who made smart-ass comments, or condemned those with medical conditions. Just remember, how you judge so to will you be judged.
I am deeply embarassed to be of the same faith as so many of you "Christians" who have posted on this thread. It actually makes me ill physically.

I should have known better -not- to come to these forums. That I would only see the same close-mindedness and false sense of superiority that I see elsewhere. I think I'll just leave....

~Mari

I'm sorry that you've taken this the wrong way, but for some of us, laughing about what's going on is the only way that we deal with the way that we're treated.

If you really think this is bad, please understand that some of us see comments like this directed toward them all of the time. What you feel, that the people here are close-minded, have a false sense of superiority, that you're embarassed by them, all of those things are things that the people that usually have these comments directed toward them feel.

This thread isn't about obesity. It isn't about gluttony. It's about hypocrisy.

I'm sorry for the pain that this causes you, but not for the message.

 

[Mariette]

Perhaps you'd be willing to explain how you see comments like that thrown at you all the time. Or how laughing helps deal with how you're treated? What do you mean by that...I am unsure how to decipher it.

Much thanks
~Mari

 

[Spherical Time]

Perhaps you'd be willing to explain how you see comments like that thrown at you all the time. Or how laughing helps deal with how you're treated? What do you mean by that...I am unsure how to decipher it.

Much thanks
~Mari

http://www.christianforums.com/t2405595-can-someone-actually-be-born-gay.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2396494-people-who-are-against-dislike-homosexuals.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2403114-hi-im-gay-had-some-questions.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2398744-gay-cowboy-film-rides-into-venice.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2409631-first-same-sex-union-vermont-parting-ways.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2313081-homosexuality-from-a-christian-point-of-veiw.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t239...-acceptable-and-are-we-better-off-for-it.html
http://www.christianforums.com/t2398537-police-warn-author-over-gay-comments.html

If you can't laugh about being treated as a second class citizen, you're going to go crazy pretty quickly. The above listed threads are all from the first two pages of this forum. There are lots more here and in GA. Most of the people posting in them could be considered regulars.

If you go through those pages and pages worth of comments, you'll see a lot of posts that look remarkably like some of the posts in this thread, but with one difference.

If you think that the people that are repeatedly told that they are sinners and unnatural and abominations in the eyes of the Lord when they know that they aren't don't feel the way that you do, I can't explain any further.

It hurts to be looked down upon.