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This question will come in a few parts.

A.) Obesity rates in America are somewhere around 21 percent. That means 21 percent of people are openly living in sin. The homosexuality rate in America is somewhere around 8 percent. If Christians are trully trying to speak out against sin, why do they pay so much more attention to a sin that only hurts some 8 percent of the population, while totally ignoring a much bigger sin that hurts 21 percent of the population. Shouldn't the focus be more on the sin that effects more people? Gluttony has more than 3 times the impact on our citizens' souls than does homosexuality. What is the reason that Christians are so worried aobut that 8 percent, but not the 21 percent, if of course, their true reasons are that it is a sin and they are worried about people's souls.

B.) Is it true that if you are born again, then you will stop living in sin, and stop doing it? Does that mean that fat people are in fact not trully born again, since they are still blantantly living in the sin?

c.) Should fat people be able to be preahers? If not, then why are they? If so, then why is it wrong for homosexuals to be preachers, as they are both obviously living in sin? Why does there seem to be this double standard here? Does a good Christians treat sins differently?

D.) Why do I never see a Christian protesting an Outback Steakhouse as some overweight guy goes in to eat his nightly 20 ounce steak? If your motivations are trully that you are against sin and trying to save souls, why do you spend so much time protesting homosexual actitivities, yet never protest the fat guy going to glutton (can that be a verb?) more?

E.) Why are there never threads on this website, debating the morallity of fat people? Why do I never see any of you starting threads that ask if it is a sin to be fat? If the true motive is as pure as you'd like us to believe, why is it that everything is so... almost obsessed with homosexuality, but nothing about the other sins?

F.) Why do the Boy Scouts allow fat people to be members? If they are trully against people living in sin, why are half of the members fat and partake in boy scout sponsored glutton sin parties where they all get together and eat themselves into Hell?

G.) Could it be that people's motives aren't quite what they claim to be?
 
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Are you obese?

Could it be that if you are not obese, the spiritual states of those who are need not be your concern? It would be more productive for you to discuss your own sins. When you are sinless, you may be able to help the obese drop a few stones.

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A.) Obesity rates in America are somewhere around 21 percent. That means 21 percent of people are openly living in sin. The homosexuality rate in America is somewhere around 8 percent. If Christians are trully trying to speak out against sin, why do they pay so much more attention to a sin that only hurts some 8 percent of the population, while totally ignoring a much bigger sin that hurts 21 percent of the population. Shouldn't the focus be more on the sin that effects more people?
I honestly don't know why. But, if you focused on EVERYTHING that was a sin, you'd be giving up a lot of your social liberties.
Gluttony has more than 3 times the impact on our citizens' souls than does homosexuality. What is the reason that Christians are so worried aobut that 8 percent, but not the 21 percent, if of course, their true reasons are that it is a sin and they are worried about people's souls.

B.) Is it true that if you are born again, then you will stop living in sin, and stop doing it? Does that mean that fat people are in fact not trully born again, since they are still blantantly living in the sin?
You can never 'stop living in sin'. As humans, we all sin. Doesn't matter if you're a born-again or not. You can never -not- sin.

c.) Should fat people be able to be preahers? If not, then why are they? If so, then why is it wrong for homosexuals to be preachers, as they are both obviously living in sin? Why does there seem to be this double standard here? Does a good Christians treat sins differently?
I don't see why someone should critisize your preaching ability based on your waist size. However, you must decide for yourself which is the heavier(no pun intended) sin. Which is morally wrong and which, you can let slide.[/b]

D.) Why do I never see a Christian protesting an Outback Steakhouse as some overweight guy goes in to eat his nightly 20 ounce steak? If your motivations are trully that you are against sin and trying to save souls, why do you spend so much time protesting homosexual actitivities, yet never protest the fat guy going to glutton (can that be a verb?) more?
Why? Because, like I said before if you protest and speak out against everything that is considered a "sin", you'd be giving up MANY of your own social liberties. Also, it's based on people who decide for themselves which is a 'worse' sin.

E.) Why are there never threads on this website, debating the morallity of fat people? Why do I never see any of you starting threads that ask if it is a sin to be fat? If the true motive is as pure as you'd like us to believe, why is it that everything is so... almost obsessed with homosexuality, but nothing about the other sins?
I think there are never threads because being obese or overweight has a lot more to it then just simply what you eat. There's a whole list of biological problems that could cause you to be obese. More on that later.

F.) Why do the Boy Scouts allow fat people to be members? If they are trully against people living in sin, why are half of the members fat and partake in boy scout sponsored glutton sin parties where they all get together and eat themselves into Hell?
I'm not even going to touch this one.

G.) Could it be that people's motives aren't quite what they claim to be?
Most people ALWAYS have a hidden agenda as to what they do. What's yours?



Now, about the biological problems. Just because someone is overweight, doesn't ALWAYS mean they're the reason for their size. Many times someone has something biologically wrong with them. Such as thyroid problems. A person with thyroid problems with have a lot of difficulty taking off the pounds.

Also, obesity has been found to be in the genes, in some cases. While a heatlhy lifestyle with excersize can help to reduce your size, it basically says that if your parents are big, your grandparents are big, and everyone in your family is big, then your chances of being a size 2 are slim-to-none.

Are you to put blame on those people who have no control over their weight? What about those that have the disorder that fails to communicate between their stomach and their brain. An enzyme or neurological signal isn't emitted from their stomach to signal to their brain that they are "full", and so not knowing that they're full they keep eating.

Are you going to tell those people that they are living in sin? Or what of those who work out, try to eat right, but can't shed those pounds? Are they living in sin as well because they are big? Should they be denied a chance to be a pastor or minister? Just because they have a size 20 waist rather than a 12?

Who decides what living in sin is when there's so much more to certain things (like obesity) then what meets the eye.

You fail to mention that there are other things involved with gluttony. Sensuality, self-indulging, happiness, extravagance. Not just over-eating.

Dictionary.com describes gluttony as "over eating or over drinking". So what would you consider over drinking? How do you determine someone is living in sin? Is it personal preference?

If you are totally against alcohol (for whatever reasons) then someone having a glass of red wine once a week could be considered a glutton, yes?

See, more questions than answers.
 
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If Christians are trully trying to speak out against sin, why do they pay so much more attention to a sin that only hurts some 8 percent of the population

It's hard for someone to speak out against a sin which a person himself partakes in. It is much easier to speak out against a sin which a person himself does not have to struggle with.

It is hard for someone of said criteria to become celebrated and admired in our current culture... especially how one group easily gets more media attention than the other (and one more positive media attention than the other). In other words, more exposure means get targeted more.

What is the reason that Christians are so worried aobut that 8 percent

Rarely does someone indicate that they are worried about the 8 percent's souls. Or if they are, their methods are... not working to say the least. More often, it is they fear for the souls of their own children which may be in danger. Silly or not... you decide.

B.) Is it true that if you are born again, then you will stop living in sin

It is not true that someone born again will not sin again. But, some christians expect that the sin will be looked upon as something to avoid (even if it can't be helped) rather than something to wallow in.

If so, then why is it wrong for homosexuals to be preachers, as they are both obviously living in sin?

I have nothing to say about whether it is or is not wrong, but... A homosexual preacher rather than a obese one causes more people to 'fall.' Whether that is the fault of the preacher or the congregation is up for debate.

Why does there seem to be this double standard here?

There is a double standard because of tradition.

Does a good Christians treat sins differently?

No.

D.) Why do I never see a Christian protesting an Outback Steakhouse as some overweight guy goes in to eat his nightly 20 ounce steak?

Because he is the one eating the 20 ounce steak. Although it is worth noting that 'fat pride' is not very common thing in America. Not surprising since we have a self-starvation and image distortion epidemic, but there it is. Maybe there too is another reason.

yet never protest the fat guy going to glutton (can that be a verb?) more?

Americans are also strangely prudish about sex. That may be a reason.

why is it that everything is so... almost obsessed with homosexuality, but nothing about the other sins?

We obsess over what cannot be understood. While all have felt the urge to eat and by extension to eat too much, the other can not be said.

...where they all get together and eat themselves into Hell?

Because the boy scouts are a private organization composed of human beings. Human beings like to feel elite.

G.) Could it be that people's motives aren't quite what they claim to be?

People's motives are what they claim. But they have other motives as well...
 
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Gracchus said:
Are you obese?

Could it be that if you are not obese, the spiritual states of those who are need not be your concern? It would be more productive for you to discuss your own sins. When you are sinless, you may be able to help the obese drop a few stones.

:wave:

I'm not obese, but I certainly don't need to eat this icecream cone right now...,

I think everyone should look at their own sins before they try to solve the sins of others. Of course I"m not Christian, so my opinion doesn't count.
 
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Mariette said:
E.) Why are there never threads on this website, debating the morallity of fat people? Why do I never see any of you starting threads that ask if it is a sin to be fat? If the true motive is as pure as you'd like us to believe, why is it that everything is so... almost obsessed with homosexuality, but nothing about the other sins?
I think there are never threads because being obese or overweight has a lot more to it then just simply what you eat. There's a whole list of biological problems that could cause you to be obese. More on that later.

Now, about the biological problems. Just because someone is overweight, doesn't ALWAYS mean they're the reason for their size. Many times someone has something biologically wrong with them. Such as thyroid problems. A person with thyroid problems with have a lot of difficulty taking off the pounds.

Also, obesity has been found to be in the genes, in some cases. While a heatlhy lifestyle with excersize can help to reduce your size, it basically says that if your parents are big, your grandparents are big, and everyone in your family is big, then your chances of being a size 2 are slim-to-none.

Are you to put blame on those people who have no control over their weight? What about those that have the disorder that fails to communicate between their stomach and their brain. An enzyme or neurological signal isn't emitted from their stomach to signal to their brain that they are "full", and so not knowing that they're full they keep eating.
Obesity isn't natural. It's a sinful lifestyle choice.

That there is a "fat gene" is a myth perpetrated by the overweight elite media.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Etc.
 
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Mariette said:
I honestly don't know why. But, if you focused on EVERYTHING that was a sin, you'd be giving up a lot of your social liberties.

Why do some people decide which sins to go after? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

You can never 'stop living in sin'. As humans, we all sin. Doesn't matter if you're a born-again or not. You can never -not- sin.

Alright

I don't see why someone should critisize your preaching ability based on your waist size. However, you must decide for yourself which is the heavier(no pun intended) sin. Which is morally wrong and which, you can let slide.[/b]


How do you make that decision? I don't think your waist size does effect your preaching ability. Of course, I don't think being homosexual does either. You shouldn't let some sins slide and not others. That doesn't make any sense.

Most people ALWAYS have a hidden agenda as to what they do. What's yours?



I don't really think my agenda is hidden. It is right there for all to see.


Now, about the biological problems. Just because someone is overweight, doesn't ALWAYS mean they're the reason for their size. Many times someone has something biologically wrong with them. Such as thyroid problems. A person with thyroid problems with have a lot of difficulty taking off the pounds.
Also, obesity has been found to be in the genes, in some cases. While a heatlhy lifestyle with excersize can help to reduce your size, it basically says that if your parents are big, your grandparents are big, and everyone in your family is big, then your chances of being a size 2 are slim-to-none.

Are you to put blame on those people who have no control over their weight? What about those that have the disorder that fails to communicate between their stomach and their brain. An enzyme or neurological signal isn't emitted from their stomach to signal to their brain that they are "full", and so not knowing that they're full they keep eating.

Are you going to tell those people that they are living in sin? Or what of those who work out, try to eat right, but can't shed those pounds? Are they living in sin as well because they are big? Should they be denied a chance to be a pastor or minister? Just because they have a size 20 waist rather than a 12?

Who decides what living in sin is when there's so much more to certain things (like obesity) then what meets the eye.

You fail to mention that there are other things involved with gluttony. Sensuality, self-indulging, happiness, extravagance. Not just over-eating.

Dictionary.com describes gluttony as "over eating or over drinking". So what would you consider over drinking? How do you determine someone is living in sin? Is it personal preference?

If you are totally against alcohol (for whatever reasons) then someone having a glass of red wine once a week could be considered a glutton, yes?

See, more questions than answers.

Either way, being overweight is because you are taking in more than your body is using. If you were using it, your body wouldn't store it.
 
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I think Mariette covered the topic well. I will say though that I was in the army between 1996 and 2000. I was a little over weight when I went in and even though I ran everyday and exercised twice a day somedays I still never could loose weight. I even was seeing a nutrionist. We never could figure out why I couldn't loose weight. As you can imagine after I got out of the military the weight pilled on. I am trying to loose it but it is difficult no matter what type of diet I am on or exercise I do. So for you to say that we should be discriminated against because of something that is possibly a medical condition offends me.

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And fat people are more prone to disease. http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/



And as often brought up in anti-gay threads being disproportionately affected by a disease is a good reason for discrimination.



Good Christians everywhere should get out and vote to make sure these disease ridden affronts to God don’t keep their “special” right to marry.
 
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Koz said:
Solution to obesity

Introduce all students to a lifting/cardio program at 6th grade. Make it actually worthwhile and not easy.


I'll do one better. Have them endure 12 wks of intense Marine Corps PT. I know a guy who lost 35lbs in 12 wks, so, it can be cured. BTW, he never gained it back. Yut, yut!
 
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So for you to say that we should be discriminated against because of something that is possibly a medical condition offends me.

That's a gem.

Anyway, I think some people have missed the entire point of this thread. Perhaps my agenda wasn't as clear as I thought it was.
 
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Dracon427 said:
Ahhhh... The light slowly begins to dawn...

And is immediately smothered by the overwhelming force of Right-wing doublespeak.

;)

Anyway:

Love the Diner, Hate the Dinner!

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Public Enemy #1: Wanted Dead or Alive

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