The Big Fat Thread

[freealaska]

Obviously being overweight is not healthy but why the heck should it be considered a 'sin'? Our bodies belong to us and if we are daft enough to over indulge that is our problem and not the business of others!

WRONG!!!

But I don't know why

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[Skydancing]

Why is it wrong, if you don't know why?

 

[rowena]

Great thread! But you may have to spell it out directly for some people.

I have never understood the argument that homosexual people should be denied marriage because being gay is a sin. In the first place, being gay isn't a sin. The Bible says homosexual sex is a sin, but not any worse of a sin then any other sin. Secondly, if your gonna use the sin excuse as a reason to keep a group of people from marrying, then no one should be allowed to get married because everyone sins. If your gonna make up a silly rule, then at least apply it equally. And lastly, how are you gonna make up rules for people who might not even be Christian? It would be like the Catholic Church saying that because their priests don't get married, that no other religious groups ministers/priests should either. If a certain denomination or religious group doesn't want to marry gay people, then don't. But don't make up rules that apply to people who arn't under your athority. American is not a Christian country, even if the majority of people label themselves Christian.

 

[Skydancing]

I think many of us who don't live in the US, thank God, would say that if America is an example of a Christian country, we are glad ours is secular!

 

[Yusuf Evans]

I think many of us who don't live in the US, thank God, would say that if America is an example of a Christian country, we are glad ours is secular!

No, but yours is not tolerant of Chrstianity either. If I were to say that homosexual acts were not supported by the Bible, that can be construed as hate speech, and I would be locked up for it. You guys have no freedom of speech, unless it's denegrating language about Christianity.

 

[Skydancing]

No I am certainly not tolerant of a book written so long ago that is used as an excuse to condemn people who aren't doing anything wrong!

 

[Yusuf Evans]

No I am certainly not tolerant of a book written so long ago that is used as an excuse to condemn people who aren't doing anything wrong!

Then why do you call yourself a Christian? Why not be a Humanist, or a Deist? Christianity is the faith of believing in Jesus Christ and abiding by the Laws that the Lord established. There is no middle ground there. Either you are willing to make the sacrice it takes to be a Christian, or you are not. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

 

[Skydancing]

I can call myself a Jedi Knight if I want!

 

[Yusuf Evans]

I can call myself a Jedi Knight if I want!

Yes ma'am you can.

 

[Skydancing]

Thanks!

 

[Mariette]

Obesity isn't natural. It's a sinful lifestyle choice.

That there is a "fat gene" is a myth perpetrated by the overweight elite media.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Etc.

Not only are you horribly wrong, but that is such an ill-informed comment. I can't believe people STILL think that way!

Hypothyroidism
As many as 10% of American women have some sort of thyroid hormone deficiency. Hypothyroidism is a condition where the thyroid (which is control of the bodies metabolism) does not create enough hormones. Which causes weight gain.

Again, the thyroid, which is control of the bodies metabolism, does not create the hormones needed for proper digestion of food and storage of calories, fast enough for you to burn them off. So, they're stored as fat.

Several symptoms of hypothyroid problems are:
Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain or increased difficulty in losing weight
Coarse hair
Dry skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance
Muscle cramps, or weak muscles
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido

Cushing's Syndrome
This is a disorder of the adrenal glands (they are located on top of the kidneys) which causes an excess of cortisol secretion.

Symptoms include:
Upper Body Obesity
Rounded face
Increased fat around the neck
Children tend to be obesed with slow growth rate.

Psedohypoparathyroidism
This is a hereditary condition caused by a lack of response to parathyroid hormone. Caused by abnormal genes.

Symptoms include:
Short stature
Obesity
Short metacarpals(the bone between your knuckles on your hand and the first knuckle on your fingers themselves)
Ectopic calcification

Prader-Willi Syndrome
Genetic disorder caused by an abnormality on chromosome 15. Not an inherited (you dont get it from your parents) condition but a spontaneous genetic birth defect.

Symptoms include:
Short stature
Mental retardation
Learning disabilities
Incomplete sexual development
Low muscle tone
Involuntary urge to eat constantly, coupled with a reduced need for calories which causes OBESITY.

Laurence-Moon-Biedl Syndrome
Autosomal recessive condition. (which means there is a mutation in both copies of the gene.)

Symptoms include:
Mental Retardation
Retinitis Pigmentosa
Hypogonadism
Spastic paraplegia
OBESITY
Polydactyly
Cataract
Squint
Renal abnormalities

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)
A health problem that can effect a womans menstrual cycle, fertility, insulin production, heart, blood vessels, and appearance.

Characteristics are:
High levels of androgens (which can cause weight gain)
Irregular or no menstrual cycle
May or may not have cysts within the ovaries.

Symptoms are:
Infrequent menstrual periods, no menstrual periods, and/or irregular bleeding.
Infertility.
Increased hair growth on the face, chest, stomach, back, thumbs, or toes.
Acne, oily skin.
Pelvic pain.
Weight gain or obesity, usually carrying extra weight around the waist
Type 2 Diabetes
High Colesterol
High Blood pressure
Male-pattern baldness
Patches of thickened dark brown or black skin on the neck, arms, breasts or thighs.
Skin tags.
Sleep apnea.

And last but not least, menopause. Going through menopause can cause serious weight gain, as well as hair growth on the chin and chest and several other problems.

But, I guess these problems (only a few of MANY) which are beyond the control of those who are afflicted with them, are just part of a "sinful lifestyle choice". And I suppose that the fact that there is scientific evidence of obesity being caused in part by genes is just total crap. And that all the problems I listed are "myth(s) perpetrated by the overweight elite media".

What a horribly ill-informed, close-minded, totally damaging statement to make.

Nothing infuriates me more then someone who (apparently) has no medical or scientific background to talk of makes such a horrific assumption. If you know nothing about a subject then it would be wise to keep your mouth shut rather then open it and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

~Mari

 

[Caylin]

*Just sits back and laughs as the point goes sailing over people's heads.*

 

[wblastyn]

Nothing infuriates me more then someone who (apparently) has no medical or scientific background to talk of makes such a horrific assumption. If you know nothing about a subject then it would be wise to keep your mouth shut rather then open it and make yourself look like a complete idiot.
~Mari

*Stiffles laughter*

*fails miserably* -

I hope for the sake of mankind that this post was tongue in cheek.

 

[Mariette]

*sniffs a bit and looks all sick like, cuz well I am*

What you laughing at? *in her best Gary Coleman type voice*

 

[tpony298]

Ok! I am obese..300 pounds..63 yrs old plagued with health problems that go along with obesety. Obesety in it's self is not a sin....Glottony is a sin..right up there with drinking and other social "sins". But the sin is also the result of a "sin"....God gave us 5 senses, sight, hearing, taste, smelling, and feeling. to enjoy the sensation of worshiping God.. and feeling the emotion of loving God. (a lot of this is in THe Song Solomon). We have turned it into the lusts of the flesh.
We see that beautiful chocolate slowly falling over a huge dish of ice cream and hear the bubbly, fizzing of a giant coke,,,and our body quivers and we salivate and our pupils dialate..and we reach out towards the tv with quivering hands and cry "give me give me>>>>>"
A sin, acording to Genisis that is punishable by death. (Eve SAW the fruit and Saw that is was good...and ate it.) It was better, in fact, in her mind, then the pleasure of obeying God. she died.
Since then Jesus has paid the cost for our sins. So we don't die...eternally... No! that does not make them right.
Bit a Christian goal is not to condeme people or judge people..infact the Bible is strictly against that. ...It is to show people away out of the death sentence laid on us by Eve. And that is by becoming a Christian....
By the way, I ask God to heal me of my overweight... He said "get your hand out of the cookie jar."
Love Pony

 

[Mariette]

Oh dear,
Someone said chocolate -just, drooools-

 

[SallyNow]

I get the point.

And I think it's a good one. And so here it goes :

The simple answer is that many people are just born not to be a size 2 or have a 30-inch waistline. Many active men and women are in what used to be called the "husky" and "pleasantly plump" ranges. For a while, that was considered "obese", becaues these active, plump people, due to muscle, wieghed more than their couch-potato counterparts with the same % of body fat.

Now many doctors are going back to using hip/waist ratios, activity levels, and family history to determine who's healthy and who's not, meaning anyone who don't eat a balanced diet, and does't exercise, is considered unhealthy, whether they are size 2 or size 20, and those who do eat well and exercise, whether they are size 2 or size 20, are considered on the right track to a healthy life.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2005/11/03/waist-hip051103.html

 

[Athene]

No, but yours is not tolerant of Chrstianity either. If I were to say that homosexual acts were not supported by the Bible, that can be construed as hate speech, and I would be locked up for it. You guys have no freedom of speech, unless it's denegrating language about Christianity.

No that's not true, if we so believe we can state that homosexual acts aren't supported by the bible, or homosexuality is not natural or things along a similar vein. We can't say however homosexuality is wrong lets kill all homosexuals.

It's not just homosexuals this applies too, it's speech which will incite violance towards a particular group of people. The act was brought in because some muslim clerics were abusing free speech by encouraging other muslims to commit violance against the rest of the UK population.

 

[Athene]

*sniffs a bit and looks all sick like, cuz well I am*

What you laughing at? *in her best Gary Coleman type voice*

The purpose of the OP was to point out how ridiculous it is to discriminate against one sin (homosexuality) when many more people are guilty of another sin condemned in the bible, it's all toungue in cheek. The 'fat gene' was a reference to the gay gene' scientists have found a putative homosexual gene loci on . . .one of the chromosomes (I used to know honest) however many anti-gay people deny this and claim it's a figment of the facist homosexual orientated media imaginations.

 

[freealaska]

Not only are you horribly wrong, but that is such an ill-informed comment. I can't believe people STILL think that way!

Hypothyroidism
As many as 10% of American women have some sort of thyroid hormone deficiency. Hypothyroidism is a condition where the thyroid (which is control of the bodies metabolism) does not create enough hormones. Which causes weight gain.

Again, the thyroid, which is control of the bodies metabolism, does not create the hormones needed for proper digestion of food and storage of calories, fast enough for you to burn them off. So, they're stored as fat.

Several symptoms of hypothyroid problems are:
Fatigue
Weakness
Weight gain or increased difficulty in losing weight
Coarse hair
Dry skin
Hair loss
Cold intolerance
Muscle cramps, or weak muscles
Constipation
Depression
Irritability
Memory loss
Abnormal menstrual cycles
Decreased libido

Cushing's Syndrome
This is a disorder of the adrenal glands (they are located on top of the kidneys) which causes an excess of cortisol secretion.

Symptoms include:
Upper Body Obesity
Rounded face
Increased fat around the neck
Children tend to be obesed with slow growth rate.

Psedohypoparathyroidism
This is a hereditary condition caused by a lack of response to parathyroid hormone. Caused by abnormal genes.

Symptoms include:
Short stature
Obesity
Short metacarpals(the bone between your knuckles on your hand and the first knuckle on your fingers themselves)
Ectopic calcification

Prader-Willi Syndrome
Genetic disorder caused by an abnormality on chromosome 15. Not an inherited (you dont get it from your parents) condition but a spontaneous genetic birth defect.

Symptoms include:
Short stature
Mental retardation
Learning disabilities
Incomplete sexual development
Low muscle tone
Involuntary urge to eat constantly, coupled with a reduced need for calories which causes OBESITY.

Laurence-Moon-Biedl Syndrome
Autosomal recessive condition. (which means there is a mutation in both copies of the gene.)

Symptoms include:
Mental Retardation
Retinitis Pigmentosa
Hypogonadism
Spastic paraplegia
OBESITY
Polydactyly
Cataract
Squint
Renal abnormalities

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)
A health problem that can effect a womans menstrual cycle, fertility, insulin production, heart, blood vessels, and appearance.

Characteristics are:
High levels of androgens (which can cause weight gain)
Irregular or no menstrual cycle
May or may not have cysts within the ovaries.

Symptoms are:
Infrequent menstrual periods, no menstrual periods, and/or irregular bleeding.
Infertility.
Increased hair growth on the face, chest, stomach, back, thumbs, or toes.
Acne, oily skin.
Pelvic pain.
Weight gain or obesity, usually carrying extra weight around the waist
Type 2 Diabetes
High Colesterol
High Blood pressure
Male-pattern baldness
Patches of thickened dark brown or black skin on the neck, arms, breasts or thighs.
Skin tags.
Sleep apnea.

And last but not least, menopause. Going through menopause can cause serious weight gain, as well as hair growth on the chin and chest and several other problems.

But, I guess these problems (only a few of MANY) which are beyond the control of those who are afflicted with them, are just part of a "sinful lifestyle choice". And I suppose that the fact that there is scientific evidence of obesity being caused in part by genes is just total crap. And that all the problems I listed are "myth(s) perpetrated by the overweight elite media".

What a horribly ill-informed, close-minded, totally damaging statement to make.

Nothing infuriates me more then someone who (apparently) has no medical or scientific background to talk of makes such a horrific assumption. If you know nothing about a subject then it would be wise to keep your mouth shut rather then open it and make yourself look like a complete idiot.

~Mari

Irrelevant. Just because God created people with a genetic predisposition to pig out and become fat slobs doesn't mean its not a sin and he won't punish them for it.