The 10 Commandments are done away!

[2 know him]

I still don't see one explicit quote from Christ where He says God''s ten commandments, or law is null and void.

In fact, His testimony is quite the contrary. Not one jot or iota.

If Jesus was referring to the ten commandments in Matthew 5:18 why does he state :Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is not referring to the 10 Commandments, but rather he is referring to HIS COMMANDMENTS: which he goes on to speak in the remainder of the sermon on the mount.

 

[2 know him]

Once again you simply 'quote you' for that statement.

I never argue that the New Covenant started after the cross.

I repeatedly argue that
Gal 1:6-9 - there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 - the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham
And that the NEW Covenant IS in fact - the GOSPEL. the ONE Gospel.

Here you clearly state: "Now lets quote Jesus. the Pre-cross OT teaching of Jesus." The Pre-cross teachings of Jesus are the New Covenant Teachings. Why do you infer to the cross as being the point of OT/NT separation? The cross is not where the NT started: it started with the baptism of Jesus.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Right.

But where does He ever say that any of the Laws of God are null, void of done away with.

Christ is the only One with authority to change or amend law, but He doesnt. He reiterates the entire Law in two commandments, but that in no way nullifies God''s word or law.

Where does Christ, or God say any of God''s law is null and void? That is what the OP is suggesting, which is a bold statement indeed.

Your argument isn't with me. I'm the one that says the 10 commandments are not done away.

 

[tatteredsoul]

You didn't see Jesus violate the Sabbath, or tell others to not stone the woman caught in adultery which the old covenant clearly commanded?

Try rereading my post which clearly has Jesus saying he is working on the Sabbath: if Jesus promoted the law of Moses why did he violate it?

He didn't violate the Sabbath. That was the argument of the Pharisees. He was showing us how to practice the sabbath - in freedom instead of servitude. The Sabbath today is treated as a chore because its purpose is still misunderstood.

He healed the sick because it wasn't servile work: it was love, selfless work. That is why He scolded the pharisees asking them when the "best time" to heal someone is - since they so wanted to accuse Him of violating the sabbath for doing so.

Christ was calling out the Pharisees thinking, especially its hypocrisy.


Which brings me to the next point: He also did not violate the Justice Laws when He told the hypocritical Pharisees to freely cast the first stone if they are sinless. This was not a violation - again, He was teaching us how to execute this Law the human way.

You execute mercy before justice.

Now, you would think we would know that. But, we didn't - even when God showed mercy we still didn't understand it in our history. Christ was showing us how to properly execute justice and judgment.

But, make no mistake when He comes back it will be with a sword. In other words, the mercy period is almost over, and He is about to execute Judgment . You see, the Law is still in effect right now.

CHRIST NEVER VIOLATED ANY OF THEM.

He also never said His Father''s law is null and void in any way or shape. Quite the contrary, He said "it ain't going anywhere" until Heaven and Earth are gone. (And, depending on what you believe, heaven and earth are founded forever.)

If you want to be His child, then you have to follow His rules - at least acknowledge that they exist and are in effect even if you don't follow them all (grace.)

What parent is going to tell their child that their house rules no longer apply because their big brother followed them all perfectly? That is the rationale behind Christ''s fulfillment of the law, and the nullification of God's law.


So again, where does Christ specifically say that any or all of God''s laws are null and void? He is the only One who can amend, or create laws besides God; as seen above, however, He never actually amended or rejected anything.

Where does Christ say that any law of God is no longer to be followed? Where does God say this? (He actually tells Israel to stop giving Him vain oblations.)

I need it from Christ Himself, not an interpretation.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Your argument isn't with me. I'm the one that says the 10 commandments are not done away.

Oh I see. Well I am really not fighting. I actually want to know. This is a topic I have been a part of, and I have my mind made up now, but I am open to changes. But, something this serious I need more than the usual CF interpretation. I need to hear God or Christ say this, or read it.

It is a huge deal to insinuate that God's law is no longer in effect, so it needs the same type of magnanimity of proof.

But, I will even consider other sources, or apocryphal sources if they show direct quotes from Christ, or God. But, I can't take something like this at man''s word even if it is Paul, Peter, Enoch or Moses.

 

[bugkiller]

Do you believe it was Moses who gave us the 10 commandments? And the Mitzvah?

No. Moses did not give the Christian, especially the gentile Christian anything.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You speak in ignorance:


2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (WHAT WAS WHITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONE?), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation(The 10 Commandments) be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious(The 10 Commandments is the ministration of Condemantion: according to Paul.), much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.


Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai (What was given in mount Sinai? The 10 Commandments) in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (THE OLD COVENANT LAW) and her son(THOSE WHO KEEP IT): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son(Those who follow Christ) of the freewoman(CHRIST).
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


The Term Christ is use 571 times in the New Testament and its importance is such that the writers wanted to ensure that you related to Jesus as the Christ, but what does this term mean? This must be understood in order for you to understand who Jesus is. Yes it means anointed and yes it is the same word translated in Greek as the Hebrew word was translated as Messiah but what is the real meaning behind this term?

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. (WAIT The wise men sought the king of the Jews and Herod synonymously used the term Christ: what did he know that most who profess to be Christians clearly don't?)
Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Jesus is the Christ/King/GOVERNOR and his words are LAW not some advice that can be obeyed or disobeyed as you please. If you don't love your enemies you are not a follower of Christ and you will be awaiting punishment not heaven come judgement day. As I said before anyone who doesn't understand that the old Covenant is done away has no idea what it means to be a Christian.

Interesting, indeed! Never noticed that the wise men and Herod used different words for Jesus before.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Or, you do.
1st John 5.
If the Decalogue were done away with Jesus wouldn't have taught that it is to be kept when asked, what commandments should we keep?

Jesus and the Disciples kept the ten commandments.

Jesus gave a fool his required answer.

I have a question for you - why did the man leave sorrowfully? Jesus did not disagree with nor condemn him.

bugkiller

 

[2 know him]

He didn't violate the Sabbath. That was the argument of the Pharisees. He was showing us how to practice the sabbath - in freedom instead of servitude. The Sabbath today is treated as a chore because its purpose is still misunderstood.

He healed the sick because it wasn't servile work: it was love, selfless work. That is why He scolded the pharisees asking them when the "best time" to heal someone is - since they so wanted to accuse Him of violating the sabbath for doing so.

Christ was calling out the Pharisees thinking, especially its hypocrisy.


Which brings me to the next point: He also did not violate the Justice Laws when He told the hypocritical Pharisees to freely cast the first stone if they are sinless. This was not a violation - again, He was teaching us how to execute this Law the human way.

You execute mercy before justice.

Now, you would think we would know that. But, we didn't - even when God showed mercy we still didn't understand it in our history. Christ was showing us how to properly execute justice and judgment.

But, make no mistake when He comes back it will be with a sword. In other words, the mercy period is almost over, and He is about to execute Judgment . You see, the Law is still in effect right now.

CHRIST NEVER VIOLATED ANY OF THEM.

He also never said His Father''s law is null and void in any way or shape. Quite the contrary, He said "it ain't going anywhere" until Heaven and Earth are gone. (And, depending on what you believe, heaven and earth are founded forever.)

If you want to be His child, then you have to follow His rules - at least acknowledge that they exist and are in effect even if you don't follow them all (grace.)

What parent is going to tell their child that their house rules no longer apply because their big brother followed them all perfectly? That is the rationale behind Christ''s fulfillment of the law, and the nullification of God's law.


So again, where does Christ specifically say that any or all of God''s laws are null and void? He is the only One who can amend, or create laws besides God; as seen above, however, He never actually amended or rejected anything.

Where does Christ say that any law of God is no longer to be followed? Where does God say this? (He actually tells Israel to stop giving Him vain oblations.)

I need it from Christ Himself, not an interpretation.

\
Hmm really? I will repost this for you because you obviously missed it:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The Literal Hebrew text in verse 32 says NOT THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS...

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Peter referring to this text says:
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Moses clearly said if you don't harken (hear and obey) that prophet (Jesus) God will (as Peter put it) destroy you.

Do you know what it means that Jesus is referred to as the son of David? It means that Jesus is the King and what do kings do? THEY RULE. The Pharisees understood that the Christ was going to sit upon David's throne: as there where many Prophecies that clearly attested to it. Jesus is governor/ruler, do you think Moses is more important than Jesus? All power in heaven and earth was/is given to Jesus do you understand that?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...(Mat 28:20) teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is the King: his words are real Christians Law.

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isa 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

You think Jesus law is Moses' law? THEN WHY DOES IT SAY THE ISLES OF THE EARTH WAIT for his law?

The Prophecies are abundant and I can find a multitude more that confirm what is already said. But let me ask you this question: "WHY DO YOU NEED MORE?" In truth it is because you have bought into your beliefs and you don't really care about the evidence that is before you. How sad is it that you don't believe of the Christ what the Pharisees clearly understood: THE MESSIAH HAD/HAS THE RIGHT TO RULE THAT SUPERSEEDED THE RULE OF MOSES. "Moses told us in the law... WHAT DO YOU SAY." Jesus's words are not Moses' and Jesus never kept the law of Moses.

Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus acknowledged breaking the Sabbath and John didn't say the Jews sought to kill him because they said he broke the Sabbath, but rather, John said: HE BROKE THE SABBATH; AND JESUS CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDED DOING SO.

P.S. the Sabbath demanded one not do any work there in:
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

 

[tatteredsoul]

\
Hmm really? I will repost this for you because you obviously missed it:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The Literal Hebrew text in verse 32 says NOT THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS...

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Peter referring to this text says:
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Moses clearly said if you don't harken (hear and obey) that prophet (Jesus) God will (as Peter put it) destroy you.

Do you know what it means that Jesus is referred to as the son of David? It means that Jesus is the King and what do kings do? THEY RULE. The Pharisees understood that the Christ was going to sit upon David's throne: as there where many Prophecies that clearly attested to it. Jesus is governor/ruler, do you think Moses is more important than Jesus? All power in heaven and earth was/is given to Jesus do you understand that?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...(Mat 28:20) to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is the King: his words are real Christians Law.

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isa 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

You think Jesus law is Moses' law? THEN WHY DOES IT SAY THE ISLES OF THE EARTH WAIT for his law?

The Prophecies are abundant and I can find a multitude more that confirm what is already said. But let me ask you this question: "WHY DO YOU NEED MORE?" In truth it is because you have bought into your beliefs and you don't really care about the evidence that is before you. How sad is it that you don't believe of the Christ what the Pharisees clearly understood: THE MESSIAH HAD/HAS THE RIGHT TO RULE THAT SUPERSEEDED THE RULE OF MOSES. "Moses told us in the law... WHAT DO YOU SAY." Jesus's words are not Moses' and Jesus never kept the law of Moses.

Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus acknowledged breaking the Sabbath and John didn't say the Jews sought to kill him because they said he broke the Sabbath, but rather, John said: HE BROKE THE SABBATH; AND JESUS CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDED DOING SO.

P.S. the Sabbath demanded one not do any work there in:
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

You still haven't shown where Christ said that God's law is null void or inert.

And, you aren't supposed to do SERVILE work.


Do you think Christ violated the Sabbath with His actions (and therefore, He violated the Law)? Were the pharisees right about Him?

 

[bugkiller]

Where did God, or Christ ever say any of the law was done away with?

Mat 26:28; Mk 14:24; Lk 22:20 and JN 15:10 for starters remembering Jer 31:31-33.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him (Jesus), if we keep his (Jesus's) commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him (Jesus), and keepeth not his (Jesus's) commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his(Jesus's) word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him(Jesus).
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him(Jesus) ought himself also so to walk, even as he(Jesus) walked.


When you understand and relate to Jesus as your King you understand that his words are laws/COMMANDMENTS:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


The commandments of the New Covenant are the teachings of Jesus: not the 10 Commandments of the Old Covenant.

Excellent!!!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Your "quote of you" to make that case -- noted.

Now lets quote Jesus. the Pre-cross OT teaching of Jesus --

John 12:
49 "" For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "" If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
John 14:10 ""Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11 ""Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves

Hebrews 8:6-10 says that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were given to mankind by JESUS!

No Heb 8 does not say such a thing.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Read the Bible more.

Accept it.

Start HERE - if you want to see that your statement above does not pass the test of scripture. Sola scriptura.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

==================================== then we read this ---


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Ten Commandments quoted in NT when giving examples of the LAW.

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”



James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said" -

Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

Then Jesus lied when He said access to the Father was only through Him in Jn 10 and Jn 14:6. NO one can get to heaven by the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 3:19-21 says the entire world is still -- after the cross -- under the Ten Commandments and condemned as lost sinners in need of the Gospel.

We all knew that already -

What is your point?

No it doesn't.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

He didn't violate the Sabbath. That was the argument of the Pharisees. He was showing us how to practice the sabbath - in freedom instead of servitude. The Sabbath today is treated as a chore because its purpose is still misunderstood.

He healed the sick because it wasn't servile work: it was love, selfless work. That is why He scolded the pharisees asking them when the "best time" to heal someone is - since they so wanted to accuse Him of violating the sabbath for doing so.

Is it servile work to generate electricity? If so why is it that you demand one to sin?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Oh I see. Well I am really not fighting. I actually want to know. This is a topic I have been a part of, and I have my mind made up now, but I am open to changes. But, something this serious I need more than the usual CF interpretation. I need to hear God or Christ say this, or read it.

It is a huge deal to insinuate that God's law is no longer in effect, so it needs the same type of magnanimity of proof.

But, I will even consider other sources, or apocryphal sources if they show direct quotes from Christ, or God. But, I can't take something like this at man''s word even if it is Paul, Peter, Enoch or Moses.

I don't believe you would, because it has already been done and rebuffed opposed to refuted.

bugkiller

 

[myarogancewasblottedout]

that Romans 3 19-20 perfectly makes sense if you know that einstien was wrong and time as a dimension is real.
allow me to preamble.
then you know fourth day of creation represents creations pertenant to time. ( Genesis 1:14 ),
fifth day is pertenant to fifth dimension, which is practically alternate futures from a single moment (fish turns left or right at any moment) Deuteronomy 28:14
sixth day is all 'multiple' 5D moments, plans in all possibility, all possible future actions which have unknown 'non-inevitable' futures.
and 7th day 's 7D is a set of 'all possible futures' which is defined by a law-obeying world's laws. (holy bible is alive from start of our civilisation).
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so the deeds of sin are excluded from the future (by reason of second-death's fire)
but the righteousness of God (Jesus) is revealed.
Jesus said "neither do i condemn you, Go and sin no more".
So Christ's life in us as righteousness is 'witnessed by the law', meaning the law said this is what doesn't happen. And i suppose the prophets were fullfilled by Christ.

 

[bugkiller]

You still haven't shown where Christ said that God's law is null void or inert.

And, you aren't supposed to do SERVILE work.


Do you think Christ violated the Sabbath with His actions (and therefore, He violated the Law)? Were the pharisees right about Him?

Did you miss my post asking if generating electricity was servile work?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Once again you simply 'quote you' for that statement.

I never argue that the New Covenant started after the cross.

I repeatedly argue that
Gal 1:6-9 - there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 - the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham
And that the NEW Covenant IS in fact - the GOSPEL. the ONE Gospel.

We know that. Your argument is the OC is merely continued.

bugkiller