The 10 Commandments are done away!

Dkh587 · Sep 19, 2016

klutedavid said:
Hello Dkh.

Trying to understand what you wrote.

I would assume that not being under the law means, that one is not required to obey
the law.

That's not a correct assumption, because Paul explained what being under the law means: that you're living in sin, and sin is your master. This means

Romans 6:12-14 KJV

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto Elohim, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto Elohim. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Notice Paul equates being under the law to sin having dominion over a person.

sin = breaking the law/commands. If sin is controlling you, then you are living a life against God's commandments. You are under the law if you are living against God's law(Torah), which includes the 10 commandments

Paul also wrote, shall we sin(break the commandments/not keep them because we aren't under the Torah?

Romans 6:15-16 KJV

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? Elohim forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Paul said we should not sin(disobey and not keep the commandments). Paul is upholding obedience to God's law and commands in Romans

klutedavid · Sep 19, 2016

Dkh587 said:
You said "Paul mentioned to love your mother and farther".

Paul wrote it and mentioned it because he was teaching it. It really goes without saying. We don't need to jump through hoops and hurdles to understand that Paul was teaching part of the 10 commandments in Ephesians 6. The scripture speaks for itself.

Btw, Paul taught morality because he taught God's commandments. God and his laws, statutes and commandments are moral.

Hello Dkh.

One tough subject this one, if we assume that Paul taught the whole law. Then how
do you explain the following verses in Paul's letter to the Galatians.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:

1) Immorality
2) Impurity
3) Sensuality
4) Idolatry
5) Sorcery
6) Enmities
7) Strife
8) Jealousy
9) Outbursts of anger
10) Disputes
11) Dissensions
12) Factions
13) Envying
14) Drunkenness
15) Carousing
16) And things like these above

Paul does not call these offences sin, Paul calls these offences 'deeds of the flesh'.

How many of these offences (1-16+) are actually identified in the law?

For example, 'disputes', is not a sin by legal definition. The definition of a sin is a
breach of the law. Paul says, 'deeds of the flesh', it appears that there are many
more deeds of the flesh, than there are breaches of the law.

klutedavid · Sep 19, 2016

Dkh587 said:
That's not a correct assumption, because Paul explained what being under the law means: that you're living in sin, and sin is your master.

Still not making sense DK, you said, 'being under the law means: that your living in sin'.
Then you quoted from Paul's letter to the Romans.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

This verse clearly states that the Romans are not under the law.

Notice Paul equates being under the law to sin having dominion over a person.

I do not understand your statement.

sin = breaking the law/commands.

Yes DK, but the deeds of the flesh include offences not listed in the law.

If sin is controlling you, then you are living a life against God's commandments.

Not all sin is addressed by the law.

You are under the law if you are living against God's law(Torah), which includes the
10 commandments

The law does not include thought crimes which Jesus introduced in Matthew's Gospel.

Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed
adultery with her in his heart.

This is definitely sin but is not listed within the letter of the law.

Paul also wrote, shall we sin(break the commandments/not keep them because
we aren't under the Torah?

Romans 6
15 Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Paul is saying, we are not under the law.

Paul is saying, we are under Grace.

Now Paul utters the question, shall we sin since we are not under the law?

The answer is only a few lines further on.

Romans 6
18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

We have been freed from sin, we are not under the law.

BobRyan · Sep 19, 2016

klutedavid said:
Hello VS.

Here are some more verses that spell out that Jesus was sent only to the Jews.
.

"God so loved the WORLD -- yes really" John 3:16
" 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
"16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16

Luke 4:27 "And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”

Isaiah 45:22 "“Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."

BobRyan · Sep 19, 2016

John 3:16 "God so loved the WORLD that He gave" --- not "God so loved just-the-Jews that He gave"

Romans 2
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 4
For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

Isaiah 56
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

klutedavid · Sep 19, 2016

Hello Bob.

Your contradicting Jesus.

Jesus said.

Matthew 15
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Bob said.

Jesus was sent the house of Israel and the house of the Gentiles.

BobRyan · Sep 19, 2016

klutedavid said:
Bob said.

Jesus was sent the house of Israel and the house of the Gentiles.

You say "Bob said' -- then you "quote you"???

Instead of carefully avoiding the Bible texts posted - why not address them?

klutedavid · Sep 19, 2016

BobRyan said:
You say "Bob said' -- then you "quote you"???

Instead of carefully avoiding the Bible texts posted - why not address them?

Hello Bob.

Jesus said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'.

There is a difference between those Jesus was sent to and those that Jesus died for.
Jesus was sent to the Jews, but the death of Jesus was for Jews first and the Gentiles.

You cannot possibly say that Jesus was sent to the Gentiles, because He was not.

Your church does not recognize this important point that Jesus made.

If you acknowledge what Jesus said, then you can understand who Jesus was
speaking to. If you ignore what Jesus said, you will think He is speaking to you.

Jesus said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'.

Jesus meant exactly what He said.

Dkh587 · Sep 19, 2016

klutedavid said:
Hello Dkh.

One tough subject this one, if we assume that Paul taught the whole law. Then how
do you explain the following verses in Paul's letter to the Galatians.

Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:

1) Immorality
2) Impurity
3) Sensuality
4) Idolatry
5) Sorcery
6) Enmities
7) Strife
8) Jealousy
9) Outbursts of anger
10) Disputes
11) Dissensions
12) Factions
13) Envying
14) Drunkenness
15) Carousing
16) And things like these above

Paul does not call these offences sin, Paul calls these offences 'deeds of the flesh'.

How many of these offences (1-16+) are actually identified in the law?

For example, 'disputes', is not a sin by legal definition. The definition of a sin is a
breach of the law. Paul says, 'deeds of the flesh', it appears that there are many
more deeds of the flesh, than there are breaches of the law.

Shalom

All of the deeds of the flesh are sins against the Torah/10 commandments. Remember, the law and prophets are based on #1 loving God and #2 loving your neighbor as yourself

All the examples listed are against the Torah. If you're exhibiting these behaviors, you are breaking the law. You're either sinning against God, your neighbor, or both.

Remember, Paul didn't teach from the "New Testament". He was teaching from the "Old Testament".

If you're living in sin, sin has dominion over you. Living in sin means you're living against God's commandments, you're under the law, and living according to the flesh.

Romans 6:14 KJV

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Before we were called to faith in the Messiah Yahushua, we all lived in disobedience to God's commands. Sin had dominion over us. At that point in our lives, we were under the law.

Now, we have been called out of sin(living against the Torah/10 commandments), to obey the law and fulfill it in our lives through the Messiah

Romans 6:19

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? Elohim forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

When we serve sin, we break God's law and are under the law. Paul told the romans in 6:19 that they should not sin(not keeping the commandments), but should obey God's commandments

Obedience unto righteous = obeying God's law/10 commandments

Romans 6:19, we are now called to be servants of righteousness. That means to be servants of God and obey His righteous commands and live according to His laws, statutes and commandments

Ephesians 6:1 KJV

Children, obey your parents in YAH: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

Perfect example of Paul teaching from the 10 commandments

Another example of Paul teaching from the law(Torah)

Galatians 5:14 KJV

For all the Torah is fulfilled in one command, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul teaching the Corinthians to keep Passover

1 Corinthians 5:7-8 KJV

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Messiah our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul also observed festivals after the Messiah's death, resurrection and ascension

He made absolutely sure he kept a feast day in Acts

Acts 18:20-21 KJV

When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Elohim will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

We have so many examples of Paul keeping and teaching God's laws and commandments, including the 10 commandments

bugkiller · Sep 19, 2016

Dkh587 said:
You believe and teach that Paul was double minded and a false prophet, not me. The only one suggesting he is a false prophet are you and others like Bob S

I think you posted that Paul was teaching and requiring the law (10 Cs) to be kept with Eph 6:2. I said Paul teaches we are delivered from the law. Romans is full of no law for the Christian with pretty full discussion. Galatians is very anti law and pro grace as well. Hebrews says very plainly the first covenant is passed away and replaced with a new covenant. So how can you say Paul is teaching and requiring the keeping of the law?

I never said we are under law. Obviously being "under law" does not mean you aren't supposed to obey the law(including but not limited to the 10 commandments, sabbath, feasts & the food laws), because Paul & the apostles kept the law after the Messiah ascended. In fact, Paul took a vow from Torah to prove he kept the law in Acts 21

[Staff edit]
Paul was living like a gentile as was Peter in Antioch. If you read Acts you will find that the gentile Christian is not required to adhere to Judaism.

We are delivered from the penalty of the law. We are not delivered from obeying God's 10 commandments, and the rest of the Torah.

Where do you get this from. It can't be the Scripture. Jesus did not issue the law (10 Cs). Please read Jn 1L17 and 15:10.

Remember, in the new covenant, the Torah is written on the heart, and the Holy Spirit leads us and causes us to obey His Torah(commandments)

Sorry but the passage you reference below does not say that.

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV

Please explain this passage in detail.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 KJV

The reference has nothing to do with the NC.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Sep 19, 2016

Dkh587 said:
Shalom

All of the deeds of the flesh are sins against the Torah/10 commandments. Remember, the law and prophets are based on #1 loving God and #2 loving your neighbor as yourself

All the examples listed are against the Torah. If you're exhibiting these behaviors, you are breaking the law. You're either sinning against God, your neighbor, or both.

Remember, Paul didn't teach from the "New Testament". He was teaching from the "Old Testament".

If you're living in sin, sin has dominion over you. Living in sin means you're living against God's commandments, you're under the law, and living according to the flesh.

Romans 6:14 KJV

If you're living by the law, sin has dominion over you. Read through chapter 8.

bugkiller

klutedavid · Sep 19, 2016

Dkh587 said:
Shalom

Hello Dkh.

We have a very different interpretation of the scripture.

All of the deeds of the flesh are sins against the Torah/10 commandments.
Remember, the law and prophets are based on #1 loving God and #2 loving your
neighbor as yourself

For a Jew in the time of Christ this is true.

All the examples listed are against the Torah. If you're exhibiting these behaviors,
you are breaking the law. You're either sinning against God, your neighbor, or both.

For anyone under the law this is also true.

Remember, Paul didn't teach from the "New Testament". He was teaching from the
"Old Testament".

Paul proclaimed the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, this was prophecy in the O.T.
The reality of the resurrection of the Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, are the
N.T teaching.

If you're living in sin, sin has dominion over you. Living in sin means you're living
against God's commandments, you're under the law, and living according to the flesh.

A gentile cannot be under the law, only Israel was ever under the law.

Before we were called to faith in the Messiah Yahushua, we all lived in disobedience
to God's commands. Sin had dominion over us. At that point in our lives, we were under the law.

We have never been under the law.

Now, we have been called out of sin(living against the Torah/10 commandments), to
obey the law and fulfill it in our lives through the Messiah

Incorrect Dkh, we are called to believe in Jesus Christ, receive the Holy Spirit, and walk in
the Spirit. We are not saved because we can be good enough, we are saved because we
believe in Jesus Christ.

When we serve sin, we break God's law and are under the law. Paul told the romans
in 6:19 that they should not sin(not keeping the commandments), but should obey God's
commandments

You are not under the law, you are under the law of Christ.

Obedience unto righteous = obeying God's law/10 commandments

Incorrect again, the law kills, we have been set free in Christ from the law of sin and
death.

Romans 6:19, we are now called to be servants of righteousness. That means
to be servants of God and obey His righteous commands and live according to His laws,
statutes and commandments

We are baptized into Christ's death, our flesh is dead, we cannot sin.

Ephesians 6:1 KJV
Perfect example of Paul teaching from the 10 commandments

There are two lines in that quotation. Paul's instruction which is the first line.
Then there is the shadow commandment that Paul uses to reflect his instruction.

Galatians 5
14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.

Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit, the Gentile receives the Holy Spirit, the Gentile
believer is a new creation. In Christ you are dead to sin, you cannot sin.

Paul teaching the Corinthians to keep Passover

Paul is referring to the O.T shadow, the Passover.

1 Corinthians 5:7
For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.

Christ is our Passover, we celebrate Christ, the Jews may celebrate the
Passover. For Gentiles the Passover is insignificant.

Paul also observed festivals after the Messiah's death, resurrection and ascension
He made absolutely sure he kept a feast day in Acts
Acts 18:20-21 KJV
We have so many examples of Paul keeping and teaching God's laws and commandments,
including the 10 commandments

Paul was born a Jew and under the law, Paul in Christ died to the law.

BobRyan · Sep 20, 2016

klutedavid said:
Hello VS.

Here are some more verses that spell out that Jesus was sent only to the Jews.
.

"God so loved the WORLD -- yes really" John 3:16
" 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
"16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16

Luke 4:27 "And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”

Isaiah 45:22 "“Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."

John 3:16 "God so loved the WORLD that He gave" --- not "God so loved just-the-Jews that He gave"

Romans 2
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 4
For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also,

Isaiah 56
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

klutedavid said:
Hello Bob.

Jesus said, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'.

Hint - to whom did He say that?

To a gentile after walking personally over all of Israel to reach her and minister to her daughter?

There is a difference between those Jesus was sent to and those that Jesus died for.

Just not in real life.

For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Here is what Jesus said -

"God so loved the WORLD -- yes really" John 3:16
" 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
"16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16

Luke 4:27 "And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”

2 know him · Sep 21, 2016

CGL1023 said:
We have these scriptures to keep in mind and they have always concerned me as I don't know how to understand them given that we are "redeemed from the curse of the law(Gal 3:13)." I generally agree that the law is done away with. Evidently some portion remains "til all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You are quoting from the English but if you go into the Greek you will see that what Jesus said the translators did a very bad job of interpreting... Jesus was saying he came to raise the standards of men's obligations not lower them in Matthew 5:17 and with that in mind the rest of the chapter actually makes sense.

Jesus is the king and his words are the law/commandments of the New covenant/testament.

2 know him · Sep 21, 2016

VanillaSunflowers said:
If God's moral guidance were done away Jesus himself would have said so. Instead when asked he reiterated God's moral guidelines.

God's moral guidance is found in the teachings of Jesus not Moses: this is my beloved son "HEAR YE HIM".

VanillaSunflowers · Sep 21, 2016

2 know him said:
God's moral guidance is found in the teachings of Jesus not Moses: this is my beloved son "HEAR YE HIM".

Do you believe it was Moses who gave us the 10 commandments? And the Mitzvah?

2 know him · Sep 21, 2016

BobRyan said:
The "ten commandments are done away" is a great phrase -- for those who believe that doctrine -- but it is not found anywhere in the Bible.

So when those who believe in such a doctrine promote it... they "quote themselves" as their source text for that phrase.

You speak in ignorance:

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (WHAT WAS WHITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONE?), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation(The 10 Commandments) be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious(The 10 Commandments is the ministration of Condemantion: according to Paul.), much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai (What was given in mount Sinai? The 10 Commandments) in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (THE OLD COVENANT LAW) and her son(THOSE WHO KEEP IT): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son(Those who follow Christ) of the freewoman(CHRIST).
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The Term Christ is use 571 times in the New Testament and its importance is such that the writers wanted to ensure that you related to Jesus as the Christ, but what does this term mean? This must be understood in order for you to understand who Jesus is. Yes it means anointed and yes it is the same word translated in Greek as the Hebrew word was translated as Messiah but what is the real meaning behind this term?

Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
Mat 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. (WAIT The wise men sought the king of the Jews and Herod synonymously used the term Christ: what did he know that most who profess to be Christians clearly don't?)
Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mat 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Jesus is the Christ/King/GOVERNOR and his words are LAW not some advice that can be obeyed or disobeyed as you please. If you don't love your enemies you are not a follower of Christ and you will be awaiting punishment not heaven come judgement day. As I said before anyone who doesn't understand that the old Covenant is done away has no idea what it means to be a Christian.

VanillaSunflowers · Sep 21, 2016

2 know him said:
You speak in ignorance:

Or, you do.
1st John 5.
If the Decalogue were done away with Jesus wouldn't have taught that it is to be kept when asked, what commandments should we keep?

Jesus and the Disciples kept the ten commandments.

BobRyan · Sep 21, 2016

BobRyan said: ↑
The "ten commandments are done away" is a great phrase -- for those who believe that doctrine -- but it is not found anywhere in the Bible.

So when those who believe in such a doctrine promote it... they "quote themselves" as their source text for that phrase.

2 know him said:
You speak in ignorance:

Not in real life.

2 Corinthians 3 contrasts the TEN Commandments external on stone - as the LAW of God -- with that same Law "written on the heart" as Romans 2:11-16 points out.

Try again.

Galatians 4 contrasts the promise made in the OT - including the Jer 31:31-33 NEW COVENANT -- vs those who try to go it alone - without the Gospel at all.

Try again.

The term Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew "Messiah" and it is JESUS that said - John 14:10

10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

What matters is "KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

try again.

Romans 3:19-21 says that the very Law of God that you claim "does not exist" anymore -- is what still condemns all mankind as sinners - such that all mankind needs the Gospel...still.

Bob S · Sep 21, 2016

VanillaSunflowers said:
Or, you do.
1st John 5.
If the Decalogue were done away with Jesus wouldn't have taught that it is to be kept when asked, what commandments should we keep?

He did, remember ever reading where Jesus told us to keep His commandments just as He kept His Father's commandments. Remember Jesus giving the new commandment to love others as I have loved you

Jesus and the Disciples kept the ten commandments.

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Jesus and his followers observed the whole law of Moses. There were 613 laws that Israel was obligated to follow. Jesus fulfilled the 613 laws by keeping them all and He fulfilled the sacrificial laws by becoming the sacrifice for all mankind. The old covenant with its 613 laws are history. The 10 were part of the now defunct covenant. God will never allow the Jews to ever rebuild the Temple. it would be useless, Jesus is our final sacrifice. All the observing all you old covenant do is for naught and you are denying the the new covenant of Jesus.

The 10 Commandments are done away!

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