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Whoever wrote that article is a hack.... first they posit the law it abolished and then say ceremonies are not longer needed and then goes on and equates the 10 commandments are valid "on the heart" which is contradictory. I wouldn't give a wooden nickle for that site after reading that article at all.Be not deceived. The title of this thread is in error and the holy scriptures tell us this. For those who are interested in reading this 19 page and counting thread, they might wish to expend far less time reading this informative article that supports the fact that the ten commandments are not abolished.
Did Paul Contradict Christ About Abolishing the Law?
Ephesians 2:15 March 17, 2015
These passages demonstrate the proof that the ten commandments are not abolished.
Matthew 22:37–40
Romans 2:14-15
Romans 13:8-10
Maybe read the article when you're not so set in your ways and hostile toward the opposing opinion.Whoever wrote that article is a hack.... first they posit the law it abolished and then say ceremonies are not longer needed and then goes on and equates the 10 commandments are valid "on the heart" which is contradictory. I wouldn't give a wooden nickle for that site after reading that article at all.
The article contradicts itself trying to prove its point, I quit reading it when I struggled to figure out why it was such a convoluted mess. I will let others read it and see if I'm correct in my assessments.Maybe read the article when you're not so set in your ways and hostile toward the opposing opinion.
I would respectfully suggest others here read for themselves and do not take into account such a review. It is wholly misrepresenting the true content of the article linked.
Please show us where that day ended. Then please show us that God did the same the next 7th day. You can't and your argument fails.Maybe we can actually come together as followers of Christ on one issue. If we can quit thinking "Sabbath" for a moment or two. Just relax and think without freaking out on me.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
I can't quote God from any other source, because, to my knowledge, we don't have any other readily available. So, you can say this is from the Torah and applies only to the Hebrews, or your could say, that God rested and sanctified the day after he finished His work and that is "His day" regardless of what limitations the Mosaic law put upon the day.
Maybe everyone can agree that God sanctified THAT day of the week. It would be sanctified if he had never chosen to make the Hebrews His people, because the Creator said so. If the Creator says something, I believe it.
Does not being hostile in you opinion mean embracing your idea? Bet it does.Maybe read the article when you're not so set in your ways and hostile toward the opposing opinion.
I would respectfully suggest others here read for themselves and do not take into account such a review. It is wholly misrepresenting the true content of the article linked.
I trust your judgment about the site and article. I won't debate either and never go to other sites to be persuaded.The article contradicts itself trying to prove its point, I quit reading it when I struggled to figure out why it was such a convoluted mess. I will let others read it and see if I'm correct in my assessments.
I agree, people who haven't been on the site long that just pop in and post links to articles to me are not to be taken seriously let them post their own thoughts instead for awhile so we can truly see who they are. Too often links posted in debate to 2nd party sites are junk anyway if they can't make their point using the Bible or logic or history then it won't stand up well here under the microscope.I trust your judgment about the site and article. I won't debate either and never go to other sites to be persuaded.
bugkiller
Nothing like making new members feel welcome is there.I agree, people who haven't been on the site long that just pop in and post links to articles to me are not to be taken seriously let them post their own thoughts instead for awhile so we can truly see who they are. Too often links posted in debate to 2nd party sites are junk anyway if they can't make their point using the Bible or logic or history then it won't stand up well here under the microscope.
Then please explain it to me. I'd bet you would say I don't understand the OC either. Let's see something better than insults. I's also like very much for you to expose what I've twisted. Zactly what lawlessness am I promoting?
bugkiller
You are right in the scriptures seem to be ignored by the Sabbath promoters here and independent collections of thought mean nothing to them either as we have posted others stuff too so because of that we decided to IGNORE links to other sites as we aren't going to argue against people who aren't posting here. As for your "new member" claim that means little to us. I'm guessing you are another SDA adherent due to the name you chose.Nothing like making new members feel welcome is there.
It doesn't appear that using the scriptures alone has worked thus far in 20 pages of just that. Perhaps an independent collection of thought that is not predisposed to being judged by those who have been her for over one hundred thousand posts of their own, and others, was thought worth a try.
Either way, the scriptures are clear. Those who teach the ten commandments no longer matter wouldn't have to argue for 20 pages if they were right.
Galatians 1 imparts great insight to this discussion I think.Lawlessness is living a life of sin, which is a life of breaking(not keeping) God's commandments. So, for a person to teach others that they don't have to/need to keep the commandments is teaching, promoting and encouraging lawlessness
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law(Torah), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
According to the words of Jesus, any man who breaks and teaches others to break God's commandments(Torah, more properly translated instructions) is going to be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
Notice he also said those that keep and teach the Torah will be called great in the kingdom
By the way, I don't know if you or anybody else noticed, but heaven and earth haven't passed away yet. According to Jesus, that means the Torah hasn't gone anywhere
If you don't read all of Galations and instead read a version that someone had used for target practice with a shotgun I think a discussion with SDAs is a wasted effort.Galatians 1 imparts great insight to this discussion I think.
Perhaps the links to articles off-site aren't intended to encourage argument with that sources author, but rather afford an opportunity to read independent sources outside of the drama that appears to transpire in matters such as this.You are right in the scriptures seem to be ignored by the Sabbath promoters here and independent collections of thought mean nothing to them either as we have posted others stuff too so because of that we decided to IGNORE links to other sites as we aren't going to argue against people who aren't posting here.
I hope you understand I mean this in all Christian charity. I don't understand what you're saying there.If you don't read all of Galations and instead read a version that someone had used for target practice with a shotgun I think a discussion with SDAs is a wasted effort.
Well if you aren't really interested in debating in these threads then I seriously doubt anyone will pay attention to you at all.Perhaps the links to articles off-site aren't intended to encourage argument with that sources author, but rather afford an opportunity to read independent sources outside of the drama that appears to transpire in matters such as this.
After all, the argument ensues over, in this case, the Decalogue. Therefore, whether an outside independent source is used to further the topic, the debate is still informed among the contenders.
Christian charity isn't debate, and SDA's have pretty much earned contention here for their condemnation of other Christians and promotion of the Sabbath commandment using questionable tactics. I would say often it is the SDAs get enough charity from us IMO allowing them to continually post here calling everyone who refuses to keep the Sabbath a bunch of lawless sinners in their minds damned to hell.I hope you understand I mean this in all Christian charity. I don't understand what you're saying there.
I understood this forum to be that of General Theology. How does Seventh Day Adventists come to be a point of contention or ridicule?
Galatians 1 imparts great insight to this discussion I think.
Maybe we can actually come together as followers of Christ on one issue. If we can quit thinking "Sabbath" for a moment or two. Just relax and think without freaking out on me.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
I can't quote God from any other source, because, to my knowledge, we don't have any other readily available. So, you can say this is from the Torah and applies only to the Hebrews, or your could say, that God rested and sanctified the day after he finished His work and that is "His day" regardless of what limitations the Mosaic law put upon the day.
Maybe everyone can agree that God sanctified THAT day of the week. It would be sanctified if he had never chosen to make the Hebrews His people, because the Creator said so. If the Creator says something, I believe it.
It imparts there is no other gospel than that of Jesus Christ. And condemns those that would attempt to preach other than that which Jesus delivered to the world. Be it Paul or an Angel, the scripture says, let them be under a curse.How so?
The pro law group wouldn't have to argue at all if they were correct. The Book of the Law, the Psalms, the prophets and the Gospels all testify against you. Notice I didn't include Paul who also testifies against you. It appears to me you're a man without a country.Nothing like making new members feel welcome is there.
It doesn't appear that using the scriptures alone has worked thus far in 20 pages of just that. Perhaps an independent collection of thought that is not predisposed to being judged by those who have been here for over one hundred thousand posts of their own, and others, was thought worth a try.
Either way, the scriptures are clear. Those who teach the ten commandments no longer matter wouldn't have to argue for 20 pages if they were right.
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