The 10 Commandments are done away!

[bugkiller]

You have no scriptural evidence to back up any of these erroneous and lawless claims. The New Testament fully supports keeping the Sabbath

The New Testament, which includes all of Paul's epistles, teaches keeping the Sabbath 100%

It's only when one takes Paul's epistles out of context that one could think the 4th COMMANDMENT to keep the Sabbath is not for followers of Christ

Absolute nope to all the above.

Peter warned that people would like you would twist and distort Paul's epistles to their destruction

Yup and of course we know that doesn't apply to you.

Btw, all of the commandments were given to Israel. So, if we use your horrible logic, none of the commandments matter, therefore making it permissible to have sex with animals and perform child sacrifices, as these commandments were only given to Israel.

Where do you get this stuff (being as nice as I can)? Sin was in the world before sin and that's the reason the law was given until the Redeemer set us free. Rom 5:13 and Gal 3:19.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just like I said, you have absolutely no scriptural evidence from the entire New Testament that believers aren't supposed to keep the Sabbath

The only thing you'll post is scriptures from Paul, OUT OF CONTEXT like most believers do

The Old and New Testament; which includes ALL of Paul's letters support keeping the Torah, which part of is the sabbath

God wrote the 4th command to keep the Sabbath in stone. If Paul or any teacher of Torah ever said that the Sabbath is not supposed to Be kept, then that makes them a false teacher

You, by your own distortion of scripture, are accusing Paul of being a false teacher

Paul was actually falsely accused of teaching against the Torah in the book of Acts. Funny how people like you are making the same false claims 2000
Years later!

Its obvious you don't like the NC. I really don't think you've even read it.

bugkiller

 

[Dkh587]

Its obvious you don't like the NC. I really don't think you've even read it.

bugkiller

It's obvious you don't understand the new covenant, as proven by you twisting Paul's letters and promoting lawlessness.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Its called incremental deception.

bugkiller

yup.... and that is also used in brainwashing over time you keep adding more and more to the lie till it gets rather huge

 

[2 know him]

For some time (a couple of years) I fellowshipped in SDA churches and bought into the idea that the 10 Commandments were still valid. Eventually I stopped going to church all together and then after many years began to read the bible and this time started referencing the Greek and saw the truth in this following statement I made in my original post on this thread: "Matthew 5:17 is very poorly written in English. Jesus was saying that he came to raise the standards of the law, not to lower them, but he didn't preach the Torah. If you think salvation is in the 10 commandments you have totally missed Jesus message: Jesus raised the standards of the law and replaced its teachings with a higher set of rules."

Christ raised the standards of Holiness, as the thou shalt nots, fail to show one how to live. Try telling a child don't do this and don't do that and eventually the child will become disconnected to you, as you are not helping them at all in understanding how to live: this is exactly what happened with the children of Israel under the Old Covenant.

You who think the Old Covenant provides any form of salvation need to go back and reread it, because if you have knowingly violated any of it you have absolutely no hope of redemption through it and to preach obedience to the Old Covenant invalidates Christ and the/a New Covenant.

Now if on the other hand you say Christ created a new covenant, then show us where Christ taught obedience to the Sabbath as a prerequisite to salvation?

 

[2 know him]

This is a bunch of feel good hogwash. Do you have any scriptures you can post to back up your claims? You're promoting and teaching lawlessness.

If the 10 Commandments aren't valid, as you eronneously claim, then you admit that a Christian is allowed to steal, kill, and committ adultery.

However, we know this is not the case. you're picking and choosing and promoting doctrine of demons.

Maybe you need to start off actually reading the teachings of Christ before you make such comments:

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.


Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Again I state: "show us where Christ taught obedience to the Sabbath as a prerequisite to salvation?"

The truth is that you are ignorant of what you are promoting.

 

[2 know him]

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

You preach sacrifice as the means to salvation, but it is the practice of mercy that leads to the laws of God being written upon ones heart, not sacrificial acts of servitude; mercy is the works necessary for salvation: not Sabbath keeping.

Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[Dkh587]

Maybe you need to start off actually reading the teachings of Christ before you make such comments:

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.


Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Again I state: "show us where Christ taught obedience to the Sabbath as a prerequisite to salvation?"

The truth is that you are ignorant of what you are promoting.

I never said keeping the sabbath is a prerequisite to salvation. That's some hogwash you keep spouting off to justify breaking and not keeping the Sabbath

 

[2 know him]

I never said keeping the sabbath is a prerequisite to salvation. That's some hogwash you keep spouting off to justify breaking and not keeping the Sabbath

If the Sabbath is on the same level as killing: then surely one must obey it or face God's wrath. may I suggest you go back and read post 367: you may find it of some help.

 

[Leroy D]

Maybe we can actually come together as followers of Christ on one issue. If we can quit thinking "Sabbath" for a moment or two. Just relax and think without freaking out on me.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I can't quote God from any other source, because, to my knowledge, we don't have any other readily available. So, you can say this is from the Torah and applies only to the Hebrews, or your could say, that God rested and sanctified the day after he finished His work and that is "His day" regardless of what limitations the Mosaic law put upon the day.

Maybe everyone can agree that God sanctified THAT day of the week. It would be sanctified if he had never chosen to make the Hebrews His people, because the Creator said so. If the Creator says something, I believe it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Maybe we can actually come together as followers of Christ on one issue. If we can quit thinking "Sabbath" for a moment or two. Just relax and think without freaking out on me.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

I can't quote God from any other source, because, to my knowledge, we don't have any other readily available. So, you can say this is from the Torah and applies only to the Hebrews, or your could say, that God rested and sanctified the day after he finished His work and that is "His day" regardless of what limitations the Mosaic law put upon the day.

Maybe everyone can agree that God sanctified THAT day of the week. It would be sanctified if he had never chosen to make the Hebrews His people, because the Creator said so. If the Creator says something, I believe it.

I don't get this.... you say stop thinking "Sabbath" then the rest of your post afterwards is about the seventh day which every Sabbath promoter identifies as the Sabbath Day here. Question: are you a Hebrew?

 

[Leroy D]

I don't get this.... you say stop thinking "Sabbath" then the rest of your post afterwards is about the seventh day which every Sabbath promoter identifies as the Sabbath Day here. Question: are you a Hebrew?

How would I know if I'm a Hebrew? My last name is very similar (1 letter different) to a known political figure that said he was Jewish, but I don't know if that was his religion or his ethnicity. That is why I say a Jew (Judite) is from the tribe of Judah...that's a Hebrew. Someone who practices the religion is not necessarily a Hebrew.

The Sabbath day was "coined" the Sabbath in the Mosaic Law. In the scripture I showed, the WORD just said that he "sanctified" the seventh day.

I guess we can't even agree that God thought that that day was important to HIM. Not to us, important to him.

 

[Leroy D]

It isn't even important what we "think". It IS important what God thinks. He is the judge.

When God says something, you can either take that into your heart and love it, or you can throw it away and say "the old man's loose in the head, he doesn't know what he's talking about".

It has always been about choice, choose life, choose death. Choose God, choose mammon. Obey, disobey. Believe in Christ (life) or not (death). "Come out of Babylon my people" or don't, all about choice.

I know, I'm just to simple for you. I'm too stupid to grasp what the Word says. You'd think a child should understand what it says, but there are many people here who believe different things.

BTW, you called it the Sabbath, I didn't. It just shows to go ya, that if that was the Sabbath, it was WAY WAY WAY before any mention of Hebrews, Mosaic law or any other law. Come to think of it, I believe it was the FIRST law ever (not counting gravity and physics, etc). It was on the 7th day of the earth's existence.

 

[Sophrosyne]

How would I know if I'm a Hebrew? My last name is very similar (1 letter different) to a known political figure that said he was Jewish, but I don't know if that was his religion or his ethnicity. That is why I say a Jew (Judite) is from the tribe of Judah...that's a Hebrew. Someone who practices the religion is not necessarily a Hebrew.

The Sabbath day was "coined" the Sabbath in the Mosaic Law. Before that, the WORD just said that he "sanctied" the seventh day.

I guess we can't even agree that God thought that that day was important to HIM. Not to us, important to him.

Although I agree with what you have said I think for the purpose of these threads it isn't useful at all because Sabbath keeping promoters misuse the Genesis account to try and bind everyone to keeping the Sabbath by equating that it says seventh day and Sabbath there even though there was never an implied command to keep that day according to Mosaic Law.

 

[Leroy D]

Although I agree with what you have said I think for the purpose of these threads it isn't useful at all because Sabbath keeping promoters misuse the Genesis account to try and bind everyone to keeping the Sabbath by equating that it says seventh day and Sabbath there even though there was never an implied command to keep that day according to Mosaic Law.

Question: You are against keeping the "letter" of the law, because it can not be done? If God thought the day important, then should not we likewise? I'll agree that keeping it the way the Hebrews did (or did not) would be very difficult, but if we have it in our heart and mind, we know what that He created us and everything in this world and know that we are not justified by the "law" but by the blood of Christ, shouldn't we "try" to to please him by recognizing his work, by remembering his Word, by making it more important than any other day.

(I just laughed out loud...you said you agree what I wrote and I said I was too stupid to understand what the word says, funny.)

 

[Sophrosyne]

Question: You are against keeping the "letter" of the law, because it can not be done? If God thought the day important, then should not we likewise? I'll agree that keeping it the way the Hebrews did (or did not) would be very difficult, but if we have it in our heart and mind, we know what that He created us and everything in this world and know that we are not justified by the "law" but by the blood of Christ, shouldn't we "try" to to please him by recognizing his work, by remembering his Word, by making it more important than any other day.

(I just laughed out loud...you said you agree what I wrote and I said I was too stupid to understand what the word says, funny.)

I keep wondering why people purposely IGNORE the Bible and Jesus own words that equate loving your neighbor is superior to the Law itself and replaces it IF one puts their faith in Christ. The "law of love" so to speak is repeated by other authors of the new testament as being more than enough to replace the Mosaic Law (10 commandments included). This idea of "the letter of the Law" and making the 10 commandments "spiritual" and "writing the 10 on the heart" is only a deceptive way of rejecting the "law of love" and backpeddling to Moses instead of moving along to Jesus.
There is a scripture that says without faith it is impossible to please God, and God said that loving your neighbor with faith in Jesus as savior is more than enough to suffice so one who adds in the Law (including 10 commandments) is rejecting God's word and in a sense not having faith in Christ but in their own "keepage" of something surpassed already by the cross.

 

[Leroy D]

I keep wondering why people purposely IGNORE the Bible and Jesus own words that equate loving your neighbor is superior to the Law itself and replaces it IF one puts their faith in Christ. The "law of love" so to speak is repeated by other authors of the new testament as being more than enough to replace the Mosaic Law (10 commandments included). This idea of "the letter of the Law" and making the 10 commandments "spiritual" and "writing the 10 on the heart" is only a deceptive way of rejecting the "law of love" and backpeddling to Moses instead of moving along to Jesus.
There is a scripture that says without faith it is impossible to please God, and God said that loving your neighbor with faith in Jesus as savior is more than enough to suffice so one who adds in the Law (including 10 commandments) is rejecting God's word and in a sense not having faith in Christ but in their own "keepage" of something surpassed already by the cross.

We are too stupid to understand things the way you do.

 

[Sophrosyne]

We are too stupid to understand things the way you do.

Well, it is pretty easy if you think about it... by focusing on love you put others best interests in God's eyes first (including God's interests) and in that effort you aren't focused on "not doing things wrong" but rather doing things right and get more done right than wrong in the end.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Be not deceived. The title of this thread is in error and the holy scriptures tell us this. For those who are interested in reading this 19 page and counting thread, they might wish to expend far less time reading this informative article that supports the fact that the ten commandments are not abolished.
Did Paul Contradict Christ About Abolishing the Law?
Ephesians 2:15 March 17, 2015


These passages demonstrate the proof that the ten commandments are not abolished.
Matthew 22:37–40
Romans 2:14-15
Romans 13:8-10

 

[bugkiller]

It's obvious you don't understand the new covenant, as proven by you twisting Paul's letters and promoting lawlessness.

Then please explain it to me. I'd bet you would say I don't understand the OC either. Let's see something better than insults. I's also like very much for you to expose what I've twisted. Zactly what lawlessness am I promoting?

bugkiller