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Gifts have ceased remember?

no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); have the Apostolic era miraculous powers and gifts ceased; and what are the gifts we receive when we are Justified today?

also, are certain manifestations some claim to be gifts actually real?

~ regards
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Care to point out where in scripture the gift of discernment is listed?
 
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One is still needed but the others have ceased?
Which bible you using?

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

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I don't recall a gift of discernment listed in scripture either.

hi Arby!
perhaps its the misuse of the word gifts that causes Christendom today so much trouble.

in 2 Timothy you will notice Paul says God has GIVEN us something (a sound mind)....which is reflected in the passage in Hebrews, where we USE THAT GIFT OF A SOUND MIND TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
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Did anyone see a gift listed in scripture by her or is she just inferring things?
 
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:o

Methinks this conversation is futile.
 
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Discerning of spirits.
People often get that messed up.

yes....some people do get that REALLY messed up.

i heard a Charismatic say she was able to discern evil spirits (demons) inhabiting candy bars given to children at Hallowe'en.

silly, huh? crazy or deluded may be a better description.

if we could just drop the "isms", we'd do fine.

~ child
 
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They sure do when they don't know their scripture. You are correct

yes Arby.
it's true.
some people rely on men to teach them...and you can spot them a mile away because of the LINGO.

tsk tsk.

i have to go out for a bit, but back later for a look into the Roots of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement, aka THE THIRD WAVE.

~ child.
 
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no dear,
we are all given gifts and blessings.

our discussion is which ones were Apostolic (miraculous); ....
If you think that the discerning of spirits is NOT "miraculous " or supernatural gift..
good luck with that one.
 
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Care to point out where in scripture the gift of discernment is listed?


here it is again bud.
we'd do fine if we used the word gifts correctly (or understood what they were and are).

eternal life is a gift, isn't it?



 
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here it is again bud.
we'd do fine if we used the word gifts correctly (or understood what they were and are).

eternal life is a gift, isn't it?

When you point out the actual gift to us in scripture, maybe we'll accept your story, until then, I'm not entertaining someone adding to scripture,... bud.
 
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Did anyone see a gift listed in scripture by her or is she just inferring things?

hi Arby;
does the part in red say God gave us something?
if He gives us something, is it a gift?

i gotta go, but i'll come back and list ALL the things God has given us (gifts): even rain on the unjust.

even the air we breathe.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

~ cheers
child
 
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Shall we visit the scriptures again,..

 
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When you point out the actual gift to us in scripture, maybe we'll accept your story, until then, I'm not entertaining someone adding to scripture,... bud.

but Arby...
it's not i who add.

i'm trying to understand how charlatans (see vid in thread, i.e.) who represent pentecostalism have deceived millions into doing what they do and sending them money and defending them?

later....bud.
 
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but Arby...
it's not i who add.

i'm trying to understand how charlatans (see vid in thread, i.e.) who represent pentecostalism have deceived millions into doing what they do and sending them money and defending them?

later....bud.

I consider Pentecostal people as my brethren in Christ, but it seems you don't?

Let's look at scripture over such actions,...

 
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I'm not ashamed to admit anything. I don't do my kids homework for them, so why would I do yours?

Besides...that's not really the topic of this thread, is it? Now...I'd be happy to have this discussion with you, in a thread on this topic...feel free to start it, you can even PM me the link...and I'll respond when I have time.

God bless.
 
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