Taking Questions on Creationism

[Aman777]

Who created evil?

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Jesus is Lord. Amen?

 

[inquiring mind]

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Jesus is Lord. Amen?

I have always leaned on the KJV as the ‘go to’ translation for scripture, and I still do, but verses such as this have led me to explore other interpretations in certain instances over the last few years. It’s my understanding that the Hebrew word ‘calamity’ can mean either ‘evil’ or ‘disaster.’ Some translations stick with ‘calamity’ and others go with ‘disaster’ instead of ‘evil’ here. The God I know is not responsible for evil; mankind’s connection with Satan allowed it to be a part of our world.

 

[Aman777]

I have always leaned on the KJV as the ‘go to’ translation for scripture, and I still do, but verses such as this have led me to explore other interpretations in certain instances over the last few years. It’s my understanding that the Hebrew word ‘calamity’ can mean either ‘evil’ or ‘disaster.’ Some translations stick with ‘calamity’ and others go with ‘disaster’ instead of ‘evil’ here. The God I know is not responsible for evil; mankind’s connection with Satan allowed it to be a part of our world.

Before the first morning, there was God the invisible Spirit of Love. He wanted to create a perfect Heaven and fill it with His perfect children. God knew that by creating physical matter apart from Himself means that all living creatures were subject to the darkness or death of being Eternally apart from God.

In the beginning God created air/atmosphere/Heaven and ground without form, but there was darkness or death upon everything God the Son would shape or form from the contaminated air, dust and water which were created apart from God, the ONLY perfect. Luk 18:19 That's WHY God the invisible Spirit spoke His first recorded words. "Let there be Light". This is when Jesus the Son of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit came into the physical world from within the invisible Father. Jesus is the Light of the First Day Genesis 1:3 AND the Light of Heaven. Rev 21:23

In just 6 of God's Days, Jesus will make everything physical, including Adam's world which was destroyed in the flood, the present 2nd Heaven and the perfect 3rd Heaven of tomorrow and He will fill it with His perfect children, made perfect by Jesus, Himself. The entire HISTORY is told in Genesis chapter one. When the present 6th Day/Age is over, we will live forever on the 7th Day, which is Eternity.

Producing a perfect Human from corruptible flesh, is the Miracle of the Creation.

 

[Kylie]

@AV1611VET Can you please explain to me how you determined that the passage in the Bible that refers to the moon as female was speaking in a literary sense and not a literal sense?

 

[Colter]

According to the Israelites story of their origins, God became disappointed in his creative work. It seems man had become so wicked that God decided to drown everyone and kill every living thing with the exception of Noah, his mixed race family and two of every living thing.
So God killed grandpas and grandma's, babies, pregnant mothers, women, children, men, handicapped etc.

My question is that, if the devil "fooled the whole world" and lead people into wickedness, why didn't God kill the devil?

 

[Aman777]

My question is that, if the devil "fooled the whole world" and lead people into wickedness, why didn't God kill the devil?

It's because the Devil is an invisible Spirit. He exists where ever evil exists. The Devil is everywhere, in everything apart from God. Only those who have been born again Spiritually will escape his lies. He was a liar from the beginning.

Jesus: Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[Colter]

It's because the Devil is an invisible Spirit. He exists where ever evil exists. The Devil is everywhere, in everything apart from God. Only those who have been born again Spiritually will escape his lies. He was a liar from the beginning.

Jesus: Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The devil isn't a real person? Either way, why didn't God destroy the devil?

 

[Kylie]

According to the Israelites story of their origins, God became disappointed in his creative work. It seems man had become so wicked that God decided to drown everyone and kill every living thing with the exception of Noah, his mixed race family and two of every living thing.
So God killed grandpas and grandma's, babies, pregnant mothers, women, children, men, handicapped etc.

My question is that, if the devil "fooled the whole world" and lead people into wickedness, why didn't God kill the devil?

Because if God killed the devil, there would be no explanation as to why there is still evil in the world.

 

[inquiring mind]

The devil isn't a real person? Either way, why didn't God destroy the devil?

Apparently, things had gotten so unimaginably bad that the Lord saw nothing but corruption from mankind, except that Noah found grace from Him. Choosing between the Lord and Satan had already been established, but ‘everyone’ (except Noah) chose poorly. How could God have destroyed Satan without instilling fear and influencing man’s free will in the matter?

 

[Colter]

Apparently, things had gotten so unimaginably bad that the Lord saw nothing but corruption from mankind, except that Noah found grace from Him. Choosing between the Lord and Satan had already been established, but ‘everyone’ (except Noah) chose poorly. How could God have destroyed Satan without instilling fear and influencing man’s free will in the matter?

God could have destroyed Satan like he reportedly destroyed the entire earth. If the Israelites flood story was really true I'm just wondering why God dint destroy Satan because the earth is as wicked as ever.

 

[Colter]

Because if God killed the devil, there would be no explanation as to why there is still evil in the world.

The human heart is wicked quite apart from Satan's evil.

 

[Kylie]

The human heart is wicked quite apart from Satan's evil.

But Christianity needs Satan as an antagonist. It's just part of the way we tell stories.

 

[inquiring mind]

I'm just wondering why God dint destroy Satan because the earth is as wicked as ever.

Like I said, maybe He didn't want to do anything to influence our freedom to choose... it evidently worked, as you say we're still choosing poorly.

 

[Kylie]

Like I said, maybe He didn't want to do anything to influence our freedom to choose... it evidently worked, as you say we're still choosing poorly.

This answer has never seemed like a good one to me. If I let someone do horrible things because I didn't want to take away their freedom to choose, no one would accept that.

 

[inquiring mind]

This answer has never seemed like a good one to me. If I let someone do horrible things because I didn't want to take away their freedom to choose, no one would accept that.

Free will and choice seem to be a major aspect of God's plan. Does naturalism allow for either?

 

[Colter]

Like I said, maybe He didn't want to do anything to influence our freedom to choose... it evidently worked, as you say we're still choosing poorly.

We had the freedom to choose just like Satan did as we are all sons and daughters of God. Destroying Satan would have had nothing to do with our freedom of choice.

 

[Colter]

But Christianity needs Satan as an antagonist. It's just part of the way we tell stories.

True, but its an unsatisfactory explanation within common Christian theology. Jesus terminated the Lucifer rebellion while on earth anyway, yet mans imperfections continue on.

 

[Colter]

The truth is that the flood story was an invention of the Hebrew priesthood when they were finalizing the OT books in Babylon. Unable to trace their self important blood lines all the way back to the Adam of Mesopotamian lore, they decided to fill the gap in the genealogy by drowning the entire world. They didn't know that the earth is billions of years old and life evolved over a period of 550,000,000 years from the initial creation event.

 

[inquiring mind]

We had the freedom to choose just like Satan did as we are all sons and daughters of God. Destroying Satan would have had nothing to do with our freedom of choice.

Except that it would have done away with the choice altogether. I guess God had higher hopes for our decision-making after Noah, but as you say we didn't do so well there either. Enter Jesus... still about choice.

 

[inquiring mind]

The truth is that the flood story was an invention of the Hebrew priesthood when they were finalizing the OT books in Babylon.

'The truth' is a little strong to be used here, don't you think?

Unable to trace their self important blood lines all the way back to the Adam of Mesopotamian lore, they decided to fill the gap in the genealogy by drowning the entire world.

Here's another way to consider it... 'Why' in a time when bloodline was so important, which you would think included record-keeping and ensuring its survival (especially for the priesthood), did it just disappear for them (destroyed by something maybe)? Later, Luke was able to get Jesus’ genealogy back through Noah to Adam.