Support building the third temple in Jerusalem?

[JacksBratt]

Conjecture or Fact ???

1/ The temple will be built.. = Supported by the scripture that has them practicing offerings and a Holy of Holies.

2/ They already have many of the necessary artifacts and implements. = Fact.

3/ They have the ark = as stated..... it is believed... not proven.. but.. if they did, they are not going to broadcast it.

 

[YesMe]

For those fearing not to be tricked by the false Christ, this is my advice, the false Christ is going to be popular and all are going to love and adore him, he is going to be a wordly man, in fact, he is at this moment in the world acting through his puppets, the so called "stars" and all the other popular men and women. That it is his image.

If you are of this world, you are not of Christ, it's that simple.

 

[JacksBratt]

I agree, the proper place for the original temple of the time of Jesus is further down from the 'dome', in the city of David. Where the dome is, that whole plateau was fort Antonia

Hey.. Lost.... I gave you a "winner"... Who'd a thunk huh?

 

[Carl Emerson]

1/ The temple will be built.. = Supported by the scripture that has them practicing offerings and a Holy of Holies.

2/ They already have many of the necessary artifacts and implements. = Fact.

3/ They have the ark = as stated..... it is believed... not proven.. but.. if they did, they are not going to broadcast it.

I have trouble with 3...

 

[Josheb]

I don't think the Bible specifically mentions a temple

No, it does not, and yet many here and many in the body of Christ are taught and they believe something the Bible does not mention.

But it does say the Jews will seek to resume their sacrifices, which will then require a temple. The temple is implied.

Cite the verse, Ricky.

 

[Josheb]

I guess I would have to ask you what you believe about Daniel 9? I think it’s 9, or maybe 7 I haven’t read it in a while.

No, you don't get to ask questions without first providing parity and call it cogent discussion. Please answer the question asked.

You don't get to shift the onus away from your prior post and call it rational discourse. Answer the question asked, please.

You don't get to ask questions based on assumptions not in evidence with someone asking about the basis for such an inquiry or belief. It was assumed a third temple is going to happen any way and I'd like to know what makes you think that. Answer the question asked, please.



What makes you think it's going to happen anyway?

 

[klutedavid]

OK... I am pleased that the discussion is beginning to address some very important issues.

Firstly lets be careful to remember that Jesus loves the folks living in Israel today.

I note with interest that a few decades ago there was a strong belief that Russia would relax it's attitude to the Jews and allow them to emigrate to Israel. There was at the time no reason to believe that this was likely. However the real test of prophesy is not that it comes true but that it appears impossible.... and it did at the time. The man who 'saw' this would happen was David Price (if my memory serves me correct).

So believers in Scandinavia built extra rooms on their houses to accomodate the anticipated movement of Jews through their land. Clearly they were motivated by the love of Jesus in doing this. Bingo - Russia made an about face and released the Jews as predicted. Many came to Jesus through this expression of hospitality - the hosts had acted on a very unlikely scenario.

Despite this there is no doubt that the Israelis today are generally stiff necked as in Jesus time. I spent time with a mission to assist believing Jews under persecution. Having you family hold a funeral for you if you become messianic is not pleasant.

But back to topic...

Should the Jews build a third temple? - No.

Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.

Should Christians support this initiative - No.

However what complicates things further...

Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?

Could that be Islam on the temple mount?

Much to think about - I am no expert - may the Lord lead.

Israel is a modern Western Democracy.

The concept of a temple and the sacrifice of bulls; I believe is foreign to almost the entire population of Israel.

In order to build a temple and start the sacrifices for their sin. They would need to discard their current legal system and take on the law of Moses as their national legal system.

The priesthood would need to restored in order to conduct the sacrifices.

The temple would need to be built on the temple mount and I do not see Islam standing by letting their scared site, be defiled by these deceived Jews.

I can't see this theocratic revolution happening in this Western Democracy. The increase in facebook and social media, the interest in sport, fashion, and Uber, I can see clearly.

I see worldliness and the passion for wealth but I do not see a temple being built.

 

[Ricky M]

Obviously they aren't believers. I'm coming at this issue from a Christian viewpoint, not a false religion viewpoint.

True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.

 

[Ricky M]

Basically it's not understanding we walk and live in the Spirit (Christ in us) and not in the physical. All believers relationship with Jesus is spiritual until He returns. He will then (physically) take all of his people (the saved) to the heavenly sanctuary where we will be united with Him physically and spiritually forevermore ... AMEN!

Many Christians misplace the focus from spiritual Israel to the literal Jewish nation, they are also confused on the subject of the temple. Most of the speculation for a rebuilt temple springs from a vague reference in 2 Thessalonians 2 dealing with the Antichrist power: “That day shall not come … [until] that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God” (vs. 3, 4).

Many say that for the Antichrist to sit in the temple (physical), it (a physical temple) will obviously have to be rebuilt.

Those who support this belief are known as Christian Zionists, (they include such popular writers as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, and John Hagee. Their published book sales exceed 70 million copies—including the popular Left Behind series). Their beliefs are endorsed by some of the largest theological colleges and institutions.

so go search and read about Christian Zionists for a more in-depth understanding on the matter.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

If God's Spirit dwells in you .. you are His temple and His people.

It is a spiritual relationship with Christ until He returns.

I think the antichrist is the one who will finally allow the Jews to resume sacrifices. Which means he will allow them to build a place in which to do that. Hmmm... what is that called now? Yes it will not be a spiritual place that God dwells. Doesn't mean they're not going to do it.

 

[Ricky M]

No, it does not, and yet many here and many in the body of Christ are taught and they believe something the Bible does not mention.

Cite the verse, Ricky.

Kinda like so many think Adam ate an apple. It's a common imagery misconception.

I'll get back to you on the verse. Our chicken is burning while I do this!

 

[klutedavid]

True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.

I don't think any Christian who believes in the superiority of the sacrifice that Jesus offered. Would even consider the thought of supporting a sacrificial temple.

This borders on heresy and shreds the letter to the Hebrews.

 

[dqhall]

OK... I am pleased that the discussion is beginning to address some very important issues.

Firstly lets be careful to remember that Jesus loves the folks living in Israel today.

I note with interest that a few decades ago there was a strong belief that Russia would relax it's attitude to the Jews and allow them to emigrate to Israel. There was at the time no reason to believe that this was likely. However the real test of prophesy is not that it comes true but that it appears impossible.... and it did at the time. The man who 'saw' this would happen was David Price (if my memory serves me correct).

So believers in Scandinavia built extra rooms on their houses to accomodate the anticipated movement of Jews through their land. Clearly they were motivated by the love of Jesus in doing this. Bingo - Russia made an about face and released the Jews as predicted. Many came to Jesus through this expression of hospitality - the hosts had acted on a very unlikely scenario.

Despite this there is no doubt that the Israelis today are generally stiff necked as in Jesus time. I spent time with a mission to assist believing Jews under persecution. Having you family hold a funeral for you if you become messianic is not pleasant.

But back to topic...

Should the Jews build a third temple? - No.

Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.

Should Christians support this initiative - No.

However what complicates things further...

Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?

Could that be Islam on the temple mount?

Much to think about - I am no expert - may the Lord lead.

Some storefront signs in Beersheba/Beersheva were in Russian when I was there in the 2000’s. Many Russian Jews moved to Israel in the 90’s. You may have remembered the Former Soviet Union did not allow Jews to return to Israel. This changed after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the break up of the U.S.S.R.

The Temple of Herod was used for numerous types of animal sacrifices, burnt offerings and ceremonies no longer done in greater Israel. Unlike others who wrote God destroyed the temple, I think the Roman Army under Titus destroyed the Temple and burned Jerusalem as recorded by historians and confirmed by archaeology. People have free will. It is not as if we should blame God for the destruction of Jerusalem. Many Jews rejected Jesus’ teachings of non-violence and did armed rebellion against Roman rule instead. This desire for revolution was their downfall.

The Gospels do not indicate building a temple is a requirement for the second coming of Christ, but rather first the Gospel must be preached to all nations before Christ’s return.

 

[Redwingfan9]

True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.

The problem is that there are plenty of Biblically ignorant Christians who do support this sort of thing. They view Israel and the rebuilding of the temple as some sort of end times sign. I view it as a problem only insofar as Christians are ignorant of scripture and believe in superstition when it comes to end times. What a bunch of heathen jews do (and ultimately what a bunch of heathen muslims do in response) is of no concern to me.

 

[Josheb]

Kinda like so many think Adam ate an apple. It's a common imagery misconception.

I'll get back to you on the verse. Our chicken is burning while I do this!

Ricky, I'm not interested in attempts to hijack the op to push allegorical interpretations. Not everything you've posted is wrong, but it is not what this op is about. If you feel the need to validate your affinity for allegorical reading then post an op in any one of the three Christian Scriptures board in CF, but don't hijack Carl's op for your own agenda.

 

[Josheb]

Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.

Upon what is that thought based?

 

[Josheb]

Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?

According to Matthew the temple was found abominable the day he entered Jerusalem and according to Jesus their house was left to them desolate the very next day. Even were that not Jesus' reference, the human sacrifices that took place by the self-defying Zealots in 70 a.d easily qualifies. The historians of those events report there was so much blood it splashed thigh-high on the temple walls and was so think that in the heat of the sun it dried causing pedestrians' sandals to stick to the floor and come off the wearers' feet.

That is certainly an abomination of desolation.

If a study of how scripture uses the terms "abomination" and "desolation," beginning with Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 47:19 I think plenty of reason to understand Jesus was alluding to events in the NT-era will be found

 

[JackRT]

Unlike others who wrote God destroyed the temple, I think the Roman Army under Titus destroyed the Temple and burned Jerusalem as recorded by historians and confirmed by archaeology. People have free will. It is not as if we should blame God for the destruction of Jerusalem. Many Jews rejected Jesus’ teachings of non-violence and did armed rebellion against Roman rule instead. This desire for revolution was their downfall.

The most important fact of life in Judea and Galilee at the time of Jesus was the fact that they were Roman provinces under occupation by detachments of the Roman army. This was not a relatively benign occupation such as occurred in West Germany following World War II. It was much more like the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe... a brutal military repression. At the same time, the Roman authorities exacted an outrageous level of taxation through the notorious system of "tax farming". In this system the rights to collect taxes were sold to the highest bidders. These "publicans" then proceeded to enrich themselves by setting exorbitant tax rates and by brutally enforcing their collection. People were known to be driven to suicide or even to selling their children into slavery as a result of the demands of the publicans.

Combine this oppression with the two thousand year struggle of the Jewish people for independence and freedom and you have an extremely volatile political climate. It was so volatile in fact that in the time period from one hundred years before Jesus, to one hundred years after him, the Jews rose in revolt an amazing sixty-two times. Interestingly enough all but one of these revolts originated in Galilee. Is it any wonder that the Roman authorities viewed any gathering of Galileans or any Galilean leader with great suspicion? Although quite a few of these revolts were small and localized, three of them evolved into full scale wars. The end result of all of this was the complete destruction of the Jewish nation and the great "Diaspora" of the Jewish people.

 

[eleos1954]

I think the antichrist is the one who will finally allow the Jews to resume sacrifices. Which means he will allow them to build a place in which to do that. Hmmm... what is that called now? Yes it will not be a spiritual place that God dwells. Doesn't mean they're not going to do it.

The orthodox Jews do not believe Jesus is/was the Messiah .. so sure they do "aspire" to build it.

Where ... in His word does it say sacrifices will resume? Nowhere.

The real temple is and always has been in heaven.

At the moment of Christ's death as the Lamb of God, all the typical sacrifices met their antitypical fulfillment. The supernatural rending of the Temple veil (Matt. 27:50, 51) was Heaven's declaration that the typical Jewish animal sacrifices and oblations had ceased to have efficacy, and had forever ended in the plan of God.

The way of access into the presence of God was opened through Christ (Heb. 10:19, 20). Man could now approach God directly, without the intervention of a
human priest, because Christ, and Christ alone, constituted the new and living "way" (John 14:6). The fulfillment completely met the specifications of the prophecy that said, "He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (Dan 9:27).

 

[Curtis.Hilliker]

No, you don't get to ask questions without first providing parity and call it cogent discussion. Please answer the question asked.

You don't get to shift the onus away from your prior post and call it rational discourse. Answer the question asked, please.

You don't get to ask questions based on assumptions not in evidence with someone asking about the basis for such an inquiry or belief. It was assumed a third temple is going to happen any way and I'd like to know what makes you think that. Answer the question asked, please.



What makes you think it's going to happen anyway?

First thing, you’re coming off as a jerk. I’ve had a long day at work and if that’s how you’re gonna talk to me you can just kick rocks ok? I was trying to be polite and not assume what you believed about the scripture I was referencing to, which one could say implies that another temple is going to be built. Anyways, have a nice evening.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have trouble with 3...

That's OK... I cannot prove it.

I have read about it.

But, again, if Israel had it.. they are certainly not going to let anyone know it.. and.. God will probably not let them reveal it until the time is right.

Israel is not going to go around shouting "we found the ark".

If I was a betting man.. I would say that they have it..