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[Edial]

Hi guys.

We hear there are some significant concerns here even to a point of having people leaving CF.
And the reasons for that I read is the CF defending or allowing promotion of Islam and things like that.

This is news to me.

One poster appealed her warning in MSC, I took the call, and as we started discussing it she mentioned she already made up her mind leaving prior to even getting the warning.

I was like, what is going on?

So, what is going on?

Please let's talk freely, this is a report-free thread and you are speaking with one of the Advisors.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

 

[ArmyMatt]

it seems you cannot call something demonic like Islam, demonic. St John would disagree.

 

[Edial]

it seems you cannot call something demonic like Islam, demonic. St John would disagree.

OK, can you give me a more specific example?

Do you mean going into, let's say America Politics forum, and calling every Muslim and non-Christian demon-possessed?
No, you cannot do so.

Specifics please.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[xenia]

Is it ok to say: Mohammed thought he was hearing from Gabriel but it was actually a demon that was giving him the Koran, therefore, Islam is a demonic religion and produces evil fruit that demonstrates its demonic roots. (Not saying this is necessarily an edifying statement, but can it be said here on CF.)

In other words, can we tell a Muslim poster that their religion is demonic but not say that the Muslim himself is demon-possessed.

If this is the deal, I can go along with it.

 

[Edial]

Is it ok to say: Mohammed thought he was hearing from Gabriel but it was actually a demon that was giving him the Koran, therefore, Islam is a demonic religion and produces evil fruit that demonstrates its demonic roots. (Not saying this is necessarily an edifying statement, but can it be said here on CF.)

In other words, can we tell a Muslim poster that their religion is demonic but not say that the Muslim himself is demon-possessed.

If this is the deal, I can go along with it.

I would like to say something first.
The purpose of this chat is not to make deals, but for me to clarify the rules and see if we can work on this together.

If you can support your statement concerning Mohammed with evidence ... like, when even he himself thought he was speaking with a jinn, yet his wife convinced him it is Gabriel.

... or he was rolling on the ground foaming at the mouth while "prophesying".

... you may say that "in your opinion" Islam is a demonic religion based on your view that it was not Gabriel but an unclean spirit.

This is a matter of discussion.

But if we are driving by and branding each Muslim as demon-possessed and coming out of the blue with statements like it is a demonic religion - no, we should not behave like that here.

No drive-by shooting.

You and I know that every religion outside of Christ (including atheism) is a demonic religion.
If you can prove it - make your point.
If you can't - no drive-by shooting.

Does it make sense?

Thanks,
Ed

 

[ArmyMatt]

John's Gospel says that anyone who says that Christ did not come in the flesh is Antichrist. Muslims say He did not come in the flesh. I would think on CHRISTIAN forums, that should be enough

 

[Edial]

John's Gospel says that anyone who says that Christ did not come in the flesh is Antichrist. Muslims say He did not come in the flesh. I would think on CHRISTIAN forums, that should be enough

So does everyone who is not a Christian.
If you suggest we start calling everyone at CF anti-Christ at a drop of a hat it is not a place for it.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Subscribing.

 

[Tallguy88]

Also subscribing.

 

[ArmyMatt]

So does everyone who is not a Christian.
If you suggest we start calling everyone at CF anti-Christ at a drop of a hat it is not a place for it.

I am not, but Christians should not be reprimanded for saying what Christianity says. those are the words of the Apostle, not mine. if Muslims are on here, they should know what our Scripture says about that theology.

I am quoting St John the Disciple who says they are Antichrist, and Muslims fall into that category.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Would it be out of place to discuss why the actual statement made was given a warning? I believe I remember the words that were posted. I may not remember the exact context.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

If you can support your statement concerning Mohammed with evidence ... like, when even he himself thought he was speaking with a jinn, yet his wife convinced him it is Gabriel.

... or he was rolling on the ground foaming at the mouth while "prophesying".

... you may say that "in your opinion" Islam is a demonic religion based on your view that it was not Gabriel but an unclean spirit.

This is a matter of discussion.

But if we are driving by and branding each Muslim as demon-possessed and coming out of the blue with statements like it is a demonic religion - no, we should not behave like that here.

No drive-by shooting.

You and I know that every religion outside of Christ (including atheism) is a demonic religion.
If you can prove it - make your point.
If you can't - no drive-by shooting.

If I may say,

I honestly think this is rather reasonable.

I've seen a lot of awesome discussions between those who are Muslim and others who are Christians - and others who are Christians who grew up with a Muslim background. What has often come up is I Peter 3:15 (as well) which call for believers to approach ALL with gentleness and respect when it comes to what we believe and being prepared with answers - and it doesn't really help if coming out with hostility. Jesus did not seem to have the mindset that someone who was a Gentile was to be treated in an ill-manner even if what they believed was not accurate - and that seems to be the heart of the matter. You can disagree with Islam without actually demonizing Muslims - as the heart of the matter is being a witness for Christ and seeking to win others to Jesus. St. Francis always stands out when it comes to what he did and how he went about things ...

I remember once where there was a post I had made with a picture from Dr. Michael Brown that illustrated the ways that people in ISIS were being consistent in their actions with certain interpretations of the Quran - and I had my post in a thread deleted due to how it offended someone (and it turned out the person was another Christian). I had placed the picture up without any clarification and I was going to go back later on after posting it to clarify what was placed on there - seeing that the point I was making was showing the ways that others tend to perceive Muslims as all being reflective of Radical Islam - even if it's not true. However, due to how graphic the post picture was, it made sense as to why the staff chose to delete the picture. Having a passion for outreach among Muslims and not seeing them misrepresented (as I've shared before - be it in Why do Muslims fear Christians and Christians fear Muslims? or If a Muslim Dies Saving Christians, Are they a "Christian Martyr"? or Trinitarian Monotheism?, etc.).

There are a number of threads where others have debated with Muslims on the merits of their religion and proving via apologetics whether Islam is accurate and showing why Christianity is true - as well as addressing stereotypes of both Muslims and Christians.

 

[Edial]

I am not, but Christians should not be reprimanded for saying what Christianity says. those are the words of the Apostle, not mine. if Muslims are on here, they should know what our Scripture says about that theology.

I am quoting St John the Disciple who says they are Antichrist, and Muslims fall into that category.

But the fact that you choose calling anyone you wish an anti-Christ are your words and not St John's.

I can tap a total stranger on the shoulder and call him a dirty, filthy sinner and say, since the Scriptures call us all dirty, filthy sinners I am quoting Scriptures.

Then I should not be surprised if I get a punch on a nose.

These are total strangers we are dealing with. We should have some respect towards individuals.

You are free however to show (if you can) that Islam is not a Godly religion.
If you can support it, you are free to say it.

Does this make sense?

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Edial]

Would it be out of place to discuss why the actual statement made was given a warning? I believe I remember the words that were posted. I may not remember the exact context.

Go for it, without naming names.

 

[ArmyMatt]

But the fact that you choose calling anyone you wish an anti-Christ are your words and not St John's.

it's not anyone I would wish. it's anyone who denies that Christ has come in the flesh. they are Antichrist.

I can tap a total stranger on the shoulder and call him a dirty, filthy sinner and say, since the Scriptures call us all dirty, filthy sinners I am quoting Scriptures.

Then I should not be surprised if I get a punch on a nose.

true, and if you said that in a Church, you should not be. because that person is in a Christian place. last I looked, this site is CHRISTIAN forums, and no one should be getting reprimanded for holding the Christians faith. if there was a Muslim forum, I would not take offense to them calling me a tri Theist, because that is what they say we are, and I am in their house.

These are total strangers we are dealing with. We should have some respect towards individuals.

yeah, and if their belief is Antichrist, we should be able to say it is Antichrist.

You are free however to show (if you can) that Islam is not a Godly religion.
If you can support it, you are free to say it.

I just did, Islam is Antichrist because St John says so

 

[topcare]

Please forgive the intrusion. I ask is this truly a Christian forum or in name only?

 

[Edial]

it's not anyone I would wish. it's anyone who denies that Christ has come in the flesh. they are Antichrist.

That is correct - anyone outside of Christian faith.
You are asking to walk around CF and start calling every non-Christian an anti-Christ.

You may have discussion on this if you wish, but no drive-by shooting.

true, and if you said that in a Church, you should not be. because that person is in a Christian place. last I looked, this site is CHRISTIAN forums, and no one should be getting reprimanded for holding the Christians faith. if there was a Muslim forum, I would not take offense to them calling me a tri Theist, because that is what they say we are, and I am in their house.

CF is NOT a church.
It is a Forum, that is Christian in nature.
We have people from other religions here as well and out objective is to WITNESS to them.

No drive-by shooting.

 

[George95]

Subscribing.

 

[Edial]

Please forgive the intrusion. I ask is this truly a Christian forum or in name only?

It is a truly Christian forum.

Every staff member is a Christian.

Statement of Faith is Nicene Creed.

Under some of the past ownerships it was not like that.

 

[topcare]

It is a truly Christian forum.

Every staff member is a Christian.

Statement of Faith is Nicene Creed.

Under some of the past ownerships it was not like that.

Thank you. I find it curious that than ones can not call a spade as such but must use other words to make nice so as not to offend non believers. Again thank you