First, free will is a part of Law. And law cannot save. Free will only leaves people without excuse for breaking laws that cannot save. But this is not true of grace.
Dave, no brother, find your statements cool though!
That doesn't make sense brother. Free will is just part of our human nature, when you look at all Adam and were given they had complete freedom to do and choose what they did. Until one day a voice crept up that was very pervasive and they made a choice to disobey God's command.
(It would be very true say that sometimes a voice in my head wants me to get meth, or to go watch pornography the things do we react and go do, or do we try and live by the spirit and throw down the idea of doing them.)
Grace is unconditional kindness. So when we preach free will salvation, we turn grace into law and the gospel into works. Since Paul stresses the law cannot save, it leaves people with false hope of salvation.
It also focuses a person’s faith in their faith to save them. Instead of on Christ who is the author and finisher of true faith.
Is grace unconditional kindness or love. People have choices in their life to make, and most people already know that they are sinners. How does free will and works come into this notion with free will being part of the law?
Work is just love isn't it expressed through faith? Not that one can boast about themselves but able to boast about the Lord Yeshua Christ, and the great things that have changed by God through the spirit that is given.
I am not sure what free will salvation is.
It also corrupts God’s image. It turns him into a bully who threatens to torture people forever if they don’t “say uncle”, or do whatever their church tells them to do. And it also turns those who sell their souls for heavenly pleasures into people less than honorable.
Now this is a good statement cause sometimes it is like this in churches, even on forum pages, for myself I like to express my opinions from what has been taught and let people decide for themselves what they will believe like you believe free will is part of the law, and has the case for you cool, just very different view but okay.
There is still respect for you as a person regardless. Last thing as a Christian in my book is to ever fight another Christian though I have done it many times in life.
If Grace, also known as unmerited favor, is the means of salvation, then God receives full glory for saving us. Otherwise, we rob him of his glory and apply it to ourselves thinking our obedience (goodness) saves us.
Thankfully by the spirit when we are in it the only thing that expressed is the Light of Christ Yeshua through us by his glory, and we never sin when we are in the spirit. We still however mess up in our flesh all the time.
Free will only makes salvation impossible. Salvation is by faith but free will says you can lose your salvation. Thinking you can lose your salvation makes having faith that God saved you impossible.
I disagree with free will making it impossible. Also believing you can lose your salvation based on something you did in the flesh is most certainly a far fetched idea, and no one should ever try and put anyone down just cause they messed up saying things like 'GOD GONNA GETCHA', of course somethings might be more direly serious than something very small, and gets involved with the law in most cases people will be found out.
Romans 8:
35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love?
Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.
38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Thank you for the good word, dave!
