Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[Subduction Zone]

See my first example again.

I saw your first example. Why it failed was explained to you. Your inability to respond politely amounted to an admission of defeat on your part.

 

[AV1611VET]

I saw your first example. Why it failed was explained to you. Your inability to respond politely amounted to an admission of defeat on your part.

Oh, I see.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, I see.

In other words don't be rude if you want a discussion. If you get so mad that you can't be polite you have already lost.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Did God rest after creating everything, but then had to wake back up again, and become active again, for yet another period of time again, or what, etc...?

No He created everything and set it into motion. The universe is perpetuating itself now. That’s why He made all living things capable of reproduction so that He didn’t have to keep on creating them. That’s why our ecosystem is a circular cycle that replenishes itself, so that He didn’t have to keep recreating everything.

And what about the scriptures I gave you that talk about a future coming, or still yet to come, day of God's rest...?

That’s a future coming for our rest not His. All of those refer to us entering His rest not Him resting in the future and even if He was to rest in the future it still doesn’t negate the fact that the scriptures specifically state several times that He rested on the seventh day. That seventh day has already happened. So your quoting verses that speak about us resting and ignoring the verses that specifically pertain to God resting.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No He created everything and set it into motion. The universe is perpetuating itself now.

This also applies to the diversity of life. He could have created all life from a single cell and let it perpetuate itself from that point on...

 

[Astrid]

This also applies to the diversity of life. He could have created all life from a single cell and let it perpetuate itself from that point on...

Thats for a lesser Creator, who has to get under the hood
and tinker with his creation, to get it to run.

A skilled one could have it all set up in the BB to do
what he wanted.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thats for a lesser Creator, who has to get under the hood
and tinker with his creation, to get it to run.

A skilled one could have it all set up in the BB to do
what he wanted.

A still lesser creator would hand-craft each individual genus or species...

I can buy the idea of a creator first making the stars, planets, moons, etc... and then saying, "hmmm... you know what it could use now? Life."

 

[Astrid]

A still lesser creator would hand-craft each individual genus or species...

I can buy the idea of a creator first making the stars, planets, moons, etc... and then saying, "hmmm... you know what it could use now? Life."

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[Hans Blaster]

See if this doesn't meet all your requirements.

1 Kings 13:1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.
2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

340 years later.

2 Kings 23:19 And all the houses also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke the LORD to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.
20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.

This is literally in the same book. In fiction this would be called "foreshadowing".

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words don't be rude if you want a discussion. If you get so mad that you can't be polite you have already lost.

Oh, oh!

1 + 1 = 2

Correct or incorrect?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, oh!

1 + 1 = 2

Correct or incorrect?

Red herring. This is a "So what?" question. As far as the debate goes your attempt to use it can be negated with a So what?

 

[Astrid]

This is literally in the same book. In fiction this would be called "foreshadowing".

If there really were a clear unmistakable accurate
prophecy it would serve to prove God ( and show
cause and effect are subject to reversal, a development
potentially as deranging as losing the Law of Averages
or of Diminishing Returns).

With God proved, the need for Faith is lost.

Withal, the situation would soon seemingly spin
rapidly out of control.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh, oh!

1 + 1 = 2

Correct or incorrect?

Incorrect as you units do not match.

On the left side you have 1 and just the number 1 and on the right side you have 2 . You are mixing numbers and things with units. Now if you had said:

1 + 1 = 2

then you would be correct. I would take off 1 point in grading for a unit error.

 

[AV1611VET]

As far as the debate goes your attempt to use it can be negated with a So what?

You think so?

 

[AV1611VET]

If there really were a clear unmistakable accurate
prophecy it would serve to prove God ...

Just fyi, Israel is a nation today in fulfillment of prophecy.

In spite of ... not with respect to ... what academia thinks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Incorrect as you units do not match.

On the left side you have 1 and just the number 1 and on the right side you have 2 . You are mixing numbers and things with units. Now if you had said:

1 + 1 = 2

then you would be correct. I would take off 1 point in grading for a unit error.

Looks good on paper!

 

[Subduction Zone]

You think so?

I know so. Others recognize it as well. Let's try to use proper debating techniques. I know, your losses are even more obvious when that is done, but you might learn something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just fyi, Israel is a nation today in fulfillment of prophecy.

In spite of ... not with respect to ... what academia thinks.

That is because it is a goal of a common people. One thing about prophecies is that a clear time needs to be given, especially one of that sort. That given enough time a group accomplishes its goal is not only evidence that they did not quit working towards their goal. You are trying to use it as evidence of God, and that increases your burden of proof by quite a bit. An event that was likely to happen does not count. For example, if I say "Next time you drive on the freeway you will see a red car". Lo and behold it comes to pass. Does that make me a prophet and that my writing should be seen a inspired? I hope that you said no. An event that is likely to happen does not count.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That is because it is a goal of a common people. One thing about prophecies is that a clear time needs to be given, especially one of that sort. That given enough time a group accomplishes its goal is not only evidence that they did not quit working towards their goal. You are trying to use it as evidence of God, and that increases your burden of proof by quite a bit. An event that was likely to happen does not count. For example, if I say "Next time you drive on the freeway you will see a red car". Lo and behold it comes to pass. Does that make me a prophet and that my writing should be seen a inspired? I hope that you said no. An event that is likely to happen does not count.

And from which sources in Biblical Prophecy have you taken your interpretive, theological cues, SZ? (And please don't just say "from the Bible").

 

[AV1611VET]

That is because it is a goal of a common people. One thing about prophecies is that a clear time needs to be given, especially one of that sort. That given enough time a group accomplishes its goal is not only evidence that they did not quit working towards their goal. You are trying to use it as evidence of God, and that increases your burden of proof by quite a bit. An event that was likely to happen does not count. For example, if I say "Next time you drive on the freeway you will see a red car". Lo and behold it comes to pass. Does that make me a prophet and that my writing should be seen a inspired? I hope that you said no. An event that is likely to happen does not count.

You're assuming they worked overtime to fulfill the prophecy about Josiah.

1 Kings 13:2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

I wonder how many priests volunteered to have a guy named Josiah burn them to death on an altar?

But remember the point Adam Clarke made?

When Josiah took the throne, they would have tried everything they could ... and then some ... to keep that prophecy from happening.

All in vain.

Anyone can make a prophecy -- the trick is keeping it from happening.