Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[FullMoon]

Again. Stop trying to pin me with claims I didn't make in this thread.

Right now I am objecting to your attempt to paint my rejection of the minor miracles of Jesus as a rejection of *all* of the alleged miracles of Jesus. I was specifically rejecting the notion that I *needed* to "explain" the loaves and fishes or the water-to-wine, just because it was written in one of the Gospels.

Okay, pick any miracle you want then.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Okay, pick any miracle you want then.

And do what? I already gave alternatives for the multiplying of loaves and fishes (if you read backward) for what the story might have been if it wasn't a miracle.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think the "eternal torture" is an error of mainstream Christianity. The dead do not feel pain, they do not think, they are unconscious. To go through "eternal torture" requires one to be living for eternity. Eternal life is for the faithful; the ones who say "no" go to the lake of fire, and so die a second time (after they have been raised from the dead and judged); their initial life on earth was enough for them. I think the second death is said to be permanent because the Most High has not promised a resurrection from it.

Jesus himself spoke of hellfire; I would think a Christian would assume He knew something about it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I already gave alternatives for the multiplying of loaves and fishes ...

May I see that again please?

 

[Hans Blaster]

May I see that again please?

Can you click the little "49" box and scroll to the bottom?

 

[FullMoon]

Jesus himself spoke of hellfire; I would think a Christian would assume He knew something about it.

Of course; I'm simply expressing my thoughts on the topic. We need to make sure we take the entire scripture into consideration, otherwise we might take what he said the wrong way. Scripture talks about the fire being eternal, but doesn't mention the state of the individual. To me, saying the individual is conscious after dying is basically saying that death is not death. I do see the possibility of the second death being "different" than the first death, but I don't think a redefinition of death is valid.