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I am not talking about public nudity. Neither is the story of Noah in Genesis 9 talking about public nudity.
Noah was naked in his tent.
We can assume his wife was with him in his tent, too. I mean, where was she in all of this?
His wife was not mentioned, so why assume anything about her?
However what was mentioned is:
Noah had planted a vineyard.
Noah had drank from what the vineyard had produced.
Noah drank so much he became drunk.
All three of Noah's sons were in the vicinity of Noah's tent.
Noah was in his own Tent.
Noah's son Ham entered Noah's Tent, then told his brother's what he saw in the Tent.
The brother's then entered the Tent without looking and covered what Ham had seen.
Most parents find it normal to bath their children. Sometimes when parents go camping, there are shower rooms where the father and son can share the same shower room and it is not strange. After all, they grew up together and shared things together. This is what makes this scene as described by some Pastors as not making any kind of sense. It does not take into account normal every day family living. It ignores it. For where else do we see a similar or somewhat related incident like this taking place again in the Bible?
This is not about parents bathing their "children". This is about adults viewing the nakedness of other adults, who are not husband and wife.
So I guess bathing one's child as a baby is out then.
Out of context.
My point is that it is a common thing among familes; And it is not considered strange. There is nothing nefarious happening because they are seeing each other as family.
You are likely correct. It is common for societies to dictate what is acceptable according to them, without consideration if it is acceptable to God.
I am not in disagreement with Noah being a great man of God. Noah was a preacher of righteousnes indeed. But as you know, he was not perfect and he sinned by getting drunk.
Gen.6
- [9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Never is it mentioned, that Noah stood against God, which would be a sin against God.
Nowhere does the text say that Ham was not allowed in his father's tent.
Nowhere does the text say that Has was invited into his father's tent.
Where does the Bible say that Ham was ashamed?
No idea. Nor did I say Ham was ashamed. IMV Ham should have been ashamed, but that was not the point, nor mentioned by me.
Again, why punish the son for the father's sins?
Again. What sin? I do not find Noah committing a sin.
Did Noah stand against God? no
Did Noah trespass against Anyone? no
Did Noah drink excessively then prance around naked? no
Did Noah lie in his own private tent uncovered? yes
Did anything teach you in Scripture a threshold is a division between what belongs to one and not another? it should have
Did Noah lie in his own private tent uncovered? yes
And why do we even know this?
Because Noah's own son crossed the threshold of Noah's private tent, saw his fathers nakedness and then went out and announced it.
It doesn't matter why his son entered Noah's tent.
It does matter that he did.
It does matter that he then went out and announced what he saw.
It is significant there is no scripture of Ham admitting his own self being ashamed.
It is significant there is no scripture of Ham asking his father to forgive him.
It is the father that teaches lessons.
Ham was about 100 yrs old, and apparently had not learned when he should be ashamed, or to ask another for forgiveness when they trespass against another.
Apparently Noah thought it appropriate for Ham to experience him to have his own son (Caanan) shame him (Ham), for Ham to grasp the understanding.
That of course is simply speculative.
God Bless,
SBC
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