Sinning

[S.O.J.I.A.]

How can you say you love the Lord and have no desire to follow His commandments?

 

[Neogaia777]

How can you say you love the Lord and have no desire to follow His commandments?

There has to be some desire to, but none of us are perfect, especially in this world... And so, the conundrum... We might be able to be "better" (than we were before) but not perfect... Unless that is perfect in God's eyes...

God Bless!

 

[holyrokker]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

Jesus forgives only those who live by faith.

Living by faith includes growing in love toward God and His righteousness.

This brings about a disdain toward sin and an ever increasing desire to live according to His principles.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Without keeping God's commandments nobody can be saved. And if somebody is saved his life must be very pure because in the resurrection they will be called sons of God. And they must be equal to angels. And nobody who is son of God is sinner.

Some atheists/agnostics keep the commandments better than some Christians.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

Do you believe that your neighbor deserves to be loved and taken care of?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Adstar]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

We are called upon to love God and love our neighbours.. Therefore we shall acknowledge that His will is good and thus we should avoid sin out of love for God..

Grace is not a license to sin.. Just as a life insurance policy is not a license to play Russian roulette with a revolver..

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You can be a/the judge of this, how someone is with God, in their inner most private chambers, or the deepest recesses of their heart, alone with him...?



Some do, (and yet so many don't even know their sin, like you Jason...) Some do try to justify it, in fact many immature Christians start out this way though, then, as they mature, well... But, I think only God can tell a mature Christian, from and immature one...



Only God knows and can judge...

God Bless!

Well, I don't judge people without first finding out what a person believes. I can only tell when somebody is justifying sin by the type of belief that they tell me about. If they say they are striving not to sin and yet they double talk and say that no believer can walk righteously or keep His core commands then I can expose such a false belief by God's Word. 1 John 2:4 says he that says he knows Him and does not keep His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. Jesus says be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48). Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin. Paul says we can be slaves to righteousness. Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. David said he hid God's Word in his heart so that he may not sin against God. Peter says we can cease from sin if we suffer in the flesh. That we should no longer live the rest of our time to the lusts of the flesh but to the will of God.


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[Bible Highlighter]

We need to stop looking at sins as demerits or as single black marks on our permanent records.
Yes sin is "missing the mark" but that just means we fail to think, act or react according to God's character.
So here is an analogy: let's say you're a guy and meet a girl and really want to possibly marry her one day. Let's say she gives you a list of things she likes and things she does not like and then says as long as you follow this list, you're good but mess up and I'm out of here. I mean what kind of a relationship would that be? An impossible standard is set up between the two and failure is imminent. Guaranteed at some point. Would it not be better to just relate to them and learn what they love and do it because it makes them happy rather than the coldness of following a list of rules?

Its the same with knowing God through Yeshua. That is what it is all about. Not just knowing Him, but being so enthralled that you seek to act like Him.
So if we keep on sinning, that is, acting contrary to God's divine love then why would He forgive those sins? If one doesn't really care how He feels but just continue to live their own way then perhaps they really don't know God at all.

We should all look carefully at these things.

BigUp!

But you are regulating sin to being like a minor mistake and not a serious offense. Yes, it is true. There are sins unto death and sins not unto death (1 John 5:16-17). However, we are talking serious sins here like lying and lusting after women, etc. that leads unto spiritual death (See Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8). Another word for serious sin is "unfaithfulness." Now, imagine a man cheating on his wife all the time and he says he is sorry (but he makes no effort to change). That is what we are talking about here. Should she be faithful to a man harlot who does not truly love her but he loves his lust for women more? If he is truly willing to repent and change his ways, that is different.


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[Neogaia777]

Well, I don't judge people without first finding out what a person believes. I can only tell when somebody is justifying sin by the type of belief that they tell me about. If they say they are striving not to sin and yet they double talk and say that no believer can walk righteously or keep His core commands then I can expose such a false belief by God's Word. 1 John 2:4 says he that says he knows Him and does not keep His Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. Jesus says be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48). Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin. Paul says we can be slaves to righteousness. Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. David said he hid God's Word in his heart so that he may not sin against God. Peter says we can cease from sin if we suffer in the flesh. That we should no longer live the rest of our time to the lusts of the flesh but to the will of God.


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It's not about "striving" as in trying in your own strength, cause that can actually make things worse, it's about relaxing and "allowing" and being open to and yielding to God's will working in and through you...

John 7:19 Jesus himself lays out one of the major conundrums of scripture, when he says, "Moses gave you the law (covenant) did he not...? Yet, not one of you obeys the law (keeps it) (fully)...

So, what is to be done in the light of this...? One putting and end to the old covenant by completing it and that one instituting a new one in it's place, that would have the same end as the other, but a different process and approach and method, and the steps getting there, (that might be dirtier) that would make it possible... (cause it is not really possible otherwise)

No longer your own effort or work, not hardening (your hearts) but God's (will, effort) in you and through you by faith and a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and them doing it in you... One that doesn't need or want a daily reminder of all the "do not do's" and one that institutes the "do's" that will get rid of don'ts by doing the do's...

A covenant of love and faith... That's what were to do... Love... And believe... And grow in love...

Not self-righteousness, but true righteousness...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There has to be some desire to, but none of us are perfect, especially in this world... And so, the conundrum... We might be able to be "better" (than we were before) but not perfect... Unless that is perfect in God's eyes...

God Bless!

The problem Jesus had with the believer in Matthew 7 is that they did many wonderful works + they worked iniquity (sin). For Jesus says the one who does not do what he says is likened to a fool who built his house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.


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[ivanpetrov]

Some atheists/agnostics keep the commandments better than some Christians.

It is better to keep commandments than to believe. But I know that God is real and that's why I believe.
God's law is part of my heart. I feel myself empty without his law.

 

[Dustoff]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

All of us agree Jesus forgives thats 1 John 1/9. One good reason not to sin is because sin has consequences.

There are always consequences to sin. Always. No one sins with impunity. In Gen. 2 God clearly explained to Adam the result of sin. One of the big reasons Christians have trouble sickness poverty oppression & problems is because of sin in our life. Obviously God forgives but being forgiven and getting free of the consequences are two different issues.

No one sins with impunity. Gal. 6/7-8 God is not mocked. If we sow sin in our life we will reap the consequences. Solomon talked a lot about that in proverbs.

Ps 66/18 If I regard sin in my heart the Lord will not hear me. (ie. my prayers)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It's not about "striving" as in trying in your own strength, cause that can actually make things worse, it's about relaxing and "allowing" and being open to and yielding to God's will working in and through you...

John 7:19 Jesus himself lays out one of the major conundrums of scripture, when he says, "Moses gave you the law (covenant) did he not...? Yet, not one of you obeys the law (keeps it) (fully)...

So, what is to be done in the light of this...? One putting and end to the old covenant by completing it and that one instituting a new one in it's place, that would have the same end as the other, but a different process and approach and method, and the steps getting there, (that might be dirtier) that would make it possible... (cause it is not really possible otherwise)

No longer your own effort or work, but God in you and through you by faith and a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and them doing it in you... One that doesn't need or want a daily reminder of all the "do not do's" and one that institutes the "do's" that will get rid of don'ts by doing the do's...

A covenant of love and faith... That's what were to do... Love... And believe... And grow in love...

Not self-righteousness, but true righteousness...

God Bless!

But by what you said elsewhere, you are also saying that you cannot help but to sin in this life, too. I don't see how that is the will of God. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that we can cease from sin by suffering and that we should live the rest of our lives to the will of God and not lusts of the flesh. It is why 2 Corinthians tells us we are to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. It is why we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.


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[Bible Highlighter]

It's not about "striving" as in trying in your own strength, cause that can actually make things worse, it's about relaxing and "allowing" and being open to and yielding to God's will working in and through you...

John 7:19 Jesus himself lays out one of the major conundrums of scripture, when he says, "Moses gave you the law (covenant) did he not...? Yet, not one of you obeys the law (keeps it) (fully)...

So, what is to be done in the light of this...? One putting and end to the old covenant by completing it and that one instituting a new one in it's place, that would have the same end as the other, but a different process and approach and method, and the steps getting there, (that might be dirtier) that would make it possible... (cause it is not really possible otherwise)

No longer your own effort or work, not hardening (your hearts) but God's (will, effort) in you and through you by faith and a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit and them doing it in you... One that doesn't need or want a daily reminder of all the "do not do's" and one that institutes the "do's" that will get rid of don'ts by doing the do's...

A covenant of love and faith... That's what were to do... Love... And believe... And grow in love...

Not self-righteousness, but true righteousness...

God Bless!

Jesus's problem with the Pharisees was not in them having a belief in the Saviour with them living in sin or living hypocritically. Jesus's problem with them was that they sinned and lived hypocritical lives. Just go back and read their conversations again and it will be clear. Jesus was not pushing a sin and still be saved gospel with them.


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[SaintNick]

Exactly. What IS the point? Good question, Luke50.

Why do you have a celebrity throwing up the triple sixes as your avatar on a Christian forum is it to bring awareness or display allegiances?

 

[Neogaia777]

But by what you said elsewhere, you are also saying that you cannot help but to sin in this life, too. I don't see how that is the will of God. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that we can cease from sin by suffering and that we should live the rest of our lives to the will of God and not lusts of the flesh. It is why 2 Corinthians tells us we are to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. It is why we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.


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Not to brag, but I'm actually pretty good, or at least decent now, for the most part, FOR THE MOST PART, yet I still sin sometimes, here or there... So, sometimes I feel a kind of loathing over my sin(s) that are not nearly as bad as they used to be, and you may have caught me in one of those moments, cause I genuinely do want to keep his commands, but everything, every classic way and method, which I've done tried, has not been working, and I can show you I still care very much about not sinning, by the way I'm still grasping at straws trying to find a way that "I" can do it, or not sin at all, is still my goal and aim...

But, I'm still human, and I am still a work in progress and in process, not yet complete, anyways, sometimes I feel a bit defeated by my sin(s) that I still have...

I don't plan on giving up anytime soon...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus's problem with the Pharisees was not in them having a belief in the Saviour with them living in sin or living hypocritically. Jesus's problem with them was that they sinned and lived hypocritical lives. Just go back and read their conversations again and it will be clear. Jesus was not pushing a sin and still be saved gospel with them.


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And how is that any different from today...? How many modern day Pharisees, or false prophets are there anyway, and it was the people most versed in scripture, teachers/promoter's/pushers of the law not obeying the law

I think when he said "not one of you obey's the law" he said that to the ones whom he was expecting it from, and even they could not do it, let alone anyone else, is what I think he meant, that quite literally, "none" of us keep it right...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The problem Jesus had with the believer in Matthew 7 is that they did many wonderful works + they worked iniquity (sin). For Jesus says the one who does not do what he says is likened to a fool who built his house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.


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What did Jesus say...? Was it not all about faith and love and the golden rule that he said summed up the spirit of the Old Commands or commandments...?

If all sinners go down, were all doomed...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Why do you have a celebrity throwing up the triple sixes as your avatar on a Christian forum is it to bring awareness or display allegiances?

It's to get people to think, SaintNick. Which is why my avatars are always accompanied by a 'blurb' that provides context. That's how you have to 'read' the pictures I choose to place into my avatar. Thanks for asking.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well that would be really stupid to justify sin. That would be like justifying why it should be okay to eat cake with poison in it when it's going to kill you. I am sure most Christians don't try to justify sin. So I don't know where we get off saying that people are trying to justify sin.

Jesus says narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it.
The reason why Jesus said to the one believer in Matthew 7 to depart from him was because he had a mix of wonderful works + iniquity (sin). Remember, the Luke warm church is spewed out Christ's mouth.`

Most I talk with today believe in some of Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved type gospel on some level. Some say you can sin as much as you like and be saved. I have talked with these people both online and in person. Then there are those who are a little harder to spot. They believe that a believer must generally live a holy life but they believe that a saint dying in one or two unrepentant sins (like lying or lusting after a woman) does not mean they are not saved. Meaning, God can save His people in a rebellious state as long as they lived a holy life generally. But I see no evidence of this kind of belief in Scripture. Yes, Christians can struggle with sin, but in time they will mature and overcome their sin in this life. Grace is not a license to sin but it is a means to overcome sin (Compare Jude 1:4 with Titus 2:11-12).

I know that you were right when you said that Jesus came to set the captives free. But trying to turn away from sin when you have all these passions burning does not exactly seem like freedom. The fear of God's Wrath is what compels me to try to turn away from my sin. And I know a lot of Christians don't agree that I'm trying to turn away from my sin out of fear of God's Wrath, but that's okay.

Yes, this is it. Most Christians do not fear God to turn away from sin. Their idea of turning from sin is only optional. They might even tell you that they seek not to sin but then they will later turn around and say they cannot help but to sin because of some uncontrollable human nature. Most today believe they cannot stop sinning serious sins at some point in this life by the power of God. Therein lies the problem.

I would never try to justify sin though. I am still imperfect, in fact I am far from perfect. But I do believe we can turn away from deliberate sin. And a lot of Christians will say that all sin is deliberate.

I think we agree. Well, I hope so. I believe Sinless Perfection is the goal of a believer's Sanctification process and it is not a salvation issue. However, a believer cannot deny that they can overcome serious sin in this life at some point in this life by the power of God (because that is what Scripture teaches). This does not mean their free will is no more and they do not have the potential to sin again. It simply means they have chosen a path with God to crucify the affections and lusts.

Sinless Perfection is dealing with putting away minor faults or transgressions and not the putting away of serious sins. Serious sin can be put away today by a believer if they truly repent. But it takes time for a believer to know and learn about minor transgressions by studying God's Word by the Spirit.

But I disagree with that. Christians have different ideas of what sin is. For example, some Christians believe that watching Harry Potter is considered sin. While other Christians believe that watching Harry Potter is not sin.

Last October I had put away watching worldly movies and TV shows. I used to be a huge Marvel comics fan and Star Trek fan. It was not easy, but I did so by the power of God and by the fact that Marvel films had gotten darker spiritually (Like Deadpool, Doctor Strange and Logan). Many of these films and shows have many ungodly and sinful messages and things within them. You put garbage in and you get garbage back out. Even while I watched primarily superhero films, I would stay away from films that dealt with magic. Why? Because the Bible condemns magic or sorcery. Magic is witchcraft and it is a serious sin to God. For is it not a sin to watch porn? How about watching a show that shows people getting killed live all the time? I would say that watching such sinful things by choice woud be wrong because you have to silently approve of such sins on some level in order to watch them (by choice).

There are sins that are obvious in the Bible but then Christians go beyond the Bible. They'll say stuff like it is a sin to wear baggy pants

Baggy pants? That is a new one.
I would say that dressing in such a way that makes you look evil would be wrong.
If you dress like you are a part of a Satanic cult, then that would be different.
Paul says not have any appearance of evil.

or a sin to watch this type of show because it's occultish.

I would agree that it is sinful and wrong to watch sinful shows.
Do you not think it is wrong to watch porn?
What about other shows that promote sins that are just as equally bad and wrong to God?

And then there's me. I believe in fearing God's Wrath and his punishment and that is why we should turn away from sin. I have been criticized by Christians and told that I'm not a True Believer if I only obey God out of fear of God's Wrath and Punishment. I don't really see that in the Bible. But that is their opinion.

The Bible is obvious about Sin: fornication, homosexuality, idolatry, coveting, lying, hatred, and many more. But then you have Christian to go beyond that. Then they'll tell you that you are justifying sin because you are living the type of Christian Life that they don't agree with.

This is is biblical.
You walk the straight and narrow and other believers will attack you for it.
Jesus said this would happen.
The children of the bond servant persecuted the child who was free.

Some Christians don't go to church because they have been hurt by the church. Then you have Christians criticizing those type of Christians.

I will send you two CF thread links that you may enjoy on this topic later.
May God bless you, dear sir.
And may you please be well.
Please alway stay strong in the power of His might and goodness.


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