Sinning

[dqhall]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

Matthew 18:21 (WEB) Then Peter came and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?" 22Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.

God may be patient with you and show mercy. The greater gifts of the Holy Spirit go to those who obey God instead of sin against righteousness. God may elect to withdraw support from a person.

 

[Soyeong]

This is completely true. But a lot more difficult. If you have compulsive thoughts that are just hard to fight, it is almost impossible to stop sinning. And the more and more you try to fight your compulsive thoughts, the more and more stronger they are.

You are describing the law of sin that came about to increase transgressions, but if we are under grace, then we are no longer under the law of sin. By God's grace through faith we are given the power to overcome sin.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Im just curious.

What are the ten commandments for, when everybody who believes in jesus, is saved anyway ?

Truly believing in Jesus Christ means we turn from sin and walk a different way. Anything less than that is unbelief.

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

He forgives, but we are required to turn away from that sin and not do it anymore...Jesus says "Go and sin no more..."

We have to believe in our heart that HE will come live within us and give us the power/grace to overcome sin. When we are tempted (to sin) HE offers help if we ask HIM.

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

1 John 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

So, sin CANNOT be the way we live in habit or we are not IN Christ. It is disobedience. We must choose to turn away from sin. If we just continue to keep sinning with no thought of stopping, then we have not come to know Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Jame 1:5 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

Luke50, The Bible is full of HIS Truths. Reading it is so important to find out what HE says we must do to be saved. Willfully sinning is not The Way of Christ. I encourage you to read what is contained in that book and if you truly believe in Jesus, HE will show you The Way to be without sin...to overcome it by the power of His Spirit. The flesh is weak, but HE is strong.

 

[Anguspure]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

Grace is something that Christ Jesus extends to those of us in relationship to Him. The one who does not follow His commands does not know Him or Love Him. We are not lawless, rather we follow the Law of the Spirit.

You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Galatians 5)

There is grace for those who stumble or fall, but there is a difference between falling and jumping. His forgiveness is free but very very costly. Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10)

 

[Neogaia777]

Whats the point in not sinning if Jesus forgives everything ?

Sin causes and is the root cause of all misery, you may have to suffer in this life for it... Also, I believe one has to be repentant, and talk to God with and about their sin, and apologize and be repentant in nature...

The danger with keeping on sinning is that you might get to a point where you think it's not sin, (and come out of agreement with God) or you cease from feeling bad about it and talking to and with God about it, and cease from being repentant...

You might no longer be or feel miserable in your sins, at which point, I would watch out, if I were you...

A correct attitude about them can keep consequences from stacking up to all be dumped on you at once, if you do not have a repentant attitude, they do come with consequences that can only be averted by the right repentant attitude, in your personal relationship with Christ, and humbling yourself before God, and with Love... Showing proper respect and honor to God, about him (God)...

If you lose this, watch out, and that is the danger of remaining in sin, is because of what it can do with your relationship with God...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

How does god handle murders ? Do Murders go to hell or can they be saved too ?

God's Word says, says,
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).


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[Bible Highlighter]

If what you are getting at here is the false "have our cake and eat it too" "once saved always saved, no matter what we do" doctrine that's going around, then yes, it is absolutely false. I'd be terrified to even teach it. Love teaching against it. It's an end times lie designed to sooth the selfish into just what they want to hear, and for Satan to get as many as he can in the bag before the timer hits Zero.

It is far from biblical and falls flat on it's face in debate.

Eternal Security is hard to spot sometimes. Some justify that you can sin as much as you want and you are still saved. Others say you have to generally live a holy life but dying in one or two unrepentant sins (like lying or lusting after a woman) does not mean one is not saved. But this is still evil and wrong. The justification of one or two evils is just as bad as justifying lots of evil or sin. Sure, God understands that many Christians can struggle with sin, but God's grace is a means to overcome sin and it is not a license to sin.

Also, in addition to Eternal Security, there are those who say they do not believe in Eternal Security, but yet they say they can sin and still be saved. They believe that they can walk away from God or Christ but they do not believe sin separates a believer from God. There are also different levels of this belief, as well.

In short, it boils down to those who are seeking to justify sin versus striving to overcome sin and to live a holy life (never with the thinking that we can do horrible evil or sin even once while thinking we are saved). For how can God agree with us doing a really bad evil with Him rewarding us with His Kingdom? It doesn't make any sense. Was not Adam and Eve separated by just one sin? Did not Peter tell Simon to repent of his wickedness so as to get his heart right with God?


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[Bible Highlighter]

"I think every sin committed is different"

In the Bible, sin is sin.

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

The context is the royal law and having respect of persons.
Not all sin is the same.
1 John 5:16-17 says there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death.
Jesus says there is an unforgivable sin (Matthew 12:31-32).
Jesus said there is a greater sin (John 19:11).
Jesus said that the Pharisees ignored the weightier matters of the Law like justice, love and mercy and they should have done these things instead of tithing their resources intead (Matthew 23:23) (Luke 11:42).

Why?
Because God is good and He is not a respecter of persons and He will reward everyone according to their deeds. For it is written,

5 "...God;
6 ....will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:5-11).


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[Neogaia777]

Eternal Security is hard to spot sometimes. Some justify that you can sin as much as you want and you are still saved. Others say you have to generally live a holy life but dying in one or two unrepentant sins (like lying or lusting after a woman) does not mean one is not saved. But this is still evil and wrong.

The point is Jason is that we "cannot know" (that persons individual, uniquely created heart), (that is unlike anyone else's), (and their's is not exactly like his or yours either), all circumstances/situations unique to that individuals forming, and getting to where they are, only God, the Creator of such, can know and judge... we cannot, and that is the point...

It could be, in one case, that one could die in even unrepentant sins, and another also, yet God saving one and not another and only him fully knowing "why", not us Jason...

This is a big problem I have with people trying to follow the law, to judgmental...

We should not pass judgement on what only God knows for sure...

The justification of one or two evils is just as bad as justifying lots of evil or sin. Sure, God understands that many Christians can struggle with sin, but God's grace is a means to overcome sin and it is not a license to sin.

Also, in addition to Eternal Security, there are those who say they do not believe in Eternal Security, but yet they say they can sin and still be saved. They believe that they can walk away from God or Christ but they do not believe sin separates a believer from God. There are also different levels of this belief, as well.

Only God does and can know (yet again I say to you), Jason, and our sin is thinking we can...

In short, it boils down to those who are seeking to justify sin versus striving to overcome sin and to live a holy life (never with the thinking that they can do horrible evil or sin even once with the thinking they are saved). For how can God agree with us doing a really bad evil with Him rewarding us with His Kingdom? Was not Adam and Eve separated by just one sin? Did not Peter tell Simon to repent of his wickedness so as to get his heart right with God?


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Define really bad evil...? Where do you draw the line...?, and does God draw the same line fully knowing that individual's case (we do not and can't)...

Only God knows each individual to individual case, we do not... And we become our own God, when we think we can in a matter that only God can, we become our own God, or we make a God in our image and likeness, instead of the other way around...

You may be able to help me determine what only God can know, and where we are stepping on his toes sometimes...

Only God knows...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The point is that God HATES sin and does not want you to sin.

If you think along the lines of "I am born again and saved. i can carry on sinning" then i would say you are born again in name only.

a Christian would not WANT to carry on sinning.

It's more than that. Serious sin is separation from God.
See Genesis 2:17, Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, 1 John 3:15, Acts 8:22.


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[Bible Highlighter]

The point is Jason is that we "cannot know" (that persons individual, uniquely created heart), (that is unlike anyone else's), (and their's is not exactly like his or yours either), all circumstances/situations unique to that individuals forming, and getting to where they are, only God, the Creator of such, can know and judge... we cannot, and that is the point...

It could be, in one case, that one could die in even unrepentant sins, and another also, yet God saving one and not another and only him fully knowing "why", not us Jason...

This is a big problem I have with people trying to follow the law, to judgmental...

We should not pass judgement on what only God knows for sure...




Only God does and can know (yet again I say to you), Jason, and our sin is thinking we can...



Define really bad evil...? Where do you draw the line...?, and does God draw the same line fully knowing that individual's case (we do not and can't)...

Only God knows each individual to individual case, we do not... And we become our own God, when we think we can in a matter that only God can, we become our own God, or we make a God in our image and likeness, instead of the other way around...

You may be able to help me determine what only God can know, and where we are stepping on his toes sometimes...

Only God knows...

God Bless!

No. God's Word exposes those who justify sin with thinking they are saved. Jude 1:4 talks about those who turn God's grace into a license for immorality. A person is either seeking to justify sin on some level or they are seeking to overcome their sin by the power of God. There is no middle ground. We are either seeking to follow Jesus or we are seeking to follow ourselves. The true grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live soberly and righteously and Godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).


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[IAMABELIEVER1979]

Grace is something that Christ Jesus extends to those of us in relationship to Him. The one who does not follow His commands does not know Him or Love Him. We are not lawless, rather we follow the Law of the Spirit.

You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh ; rather, serve one another humbly in love. For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Galatians 5)

There is grace for those who stumble or fall, but there is a difference between falling and jumping. His forgiveness is free but very very costly. Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10)

That is why I say there is no such thing as freedom. We either turn from sin or go to hell. How is that freedom?

I guess I will never understand. But I will work hard at turning away from Sin but I will not say that I am free.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That is why I say there is no such thing as freedom. We either turn from sin or go to hell. How is that freedom?

Jesus came to set the captives free. Jesus can set a believer free from being a slave to their sin. That is the true freedom. A person who is a slave to their sin and thinks they are saved is not experiencing freedom. Jesus said he that sins is a slave to sin. They are a slave. Jesus said so.


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[Neogaia777]

No. God's Word exposes those who justify sin with thinking they are saved. Jude 1:4 talks about those who turn God's grace into a license for immorality.

You can be a/the judge of this, how someone is with God, in their inner most private chambers, or the deepest recesses of their heart, alone with him...?

A person is either seeking to justify sin on some level

Some do, (and yet so many don't even know their sin, like you Jason...) Some do try to justify it, in fact many immature Christians start out this way though, then, as they mature, well... But, I think only God can tell a mature Christian, from and immature one...

or they are seeking to overcome their sin by the power of God. There is no middle ground. We are either seeking to follow Jesus or we are seeking to follow ourselves. The true grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live soberly and righteously and Godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).


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Only God knows and can judge...

God Bless!

 

[Kenny'sID]

That is why I say there is no such thing as freedom. We either turn from sin or go to hell. How is that freedom?

I guess I will never understand. But I will work hard at turning away from Sin but I will not say that I am free.

You're right, no freedom in the respect you're thinking.

I think of it this way, without him we would have no awareness to even think about freedom in any respect. So, personally, I'll take what he has to offer since he gave me my life. And on top of all that, 100% freedom to choose or not, it's not a bad deal.

 

[IAMABELIEVER1979]

Well that would be really stupid to justify sin. That would be like justifying why it should be okay to eat cake with poison in it when it's going to kill you. I am sure most Christians don't try to justify sin. So I don't know where we get off saying that people are trying to justify sin.

I know that you were right when you said that Jesus came to set the captives free. But trying to turn away from sin when you have all these passions burning does not exactly seem like freedom. The fear of God's Wrath is what compels me to try to turn away from my sin. And I know a lot of Christians don't agree that I'm trying to turn away from my sin out of fear of God's Wrath, but that's okay.

I would never try to justify sin though. I am still imperfect, in fact I am far from perfect. But I do believe we can turn away from deliberate sin. And a lot of Christians will say that all sin is deliberate. But I disagree with that. Christians have different ideas of what sin is. For example, some Christians believe that watching Harry Potter is considered sin. While other Christians believe that watching Harry Potter is not sin. There are sins that are obvious in the Bible but then Christians go beyond the Bible. They'll say stuff like it is a sin to wear baggy pants or a sin to watch this type of show because it's occultish.

And then there's me. I believe in fearing God's Wrath and his punishment and that is why we should turn away from sin. I have been criticized by Christians and told that I'm not a True Believer if I only obey God out of fear of God's Wrath and Punishment. I don't really see that in the Bible. But that is their opinion.

The Bible is obvious about Sin: fornication, homosexuality, idolatry, coveting, lying, hatred, and many more. But then you have Christian to go beyond that. Then they'll tell you that you are justifying sin because you are living the type of Christian Life that they don't agree with.

Some Christians don't go to church because they have been hurt by the church. Then you have Christians criticizing those type of Christians.[/QUOTE]

 

[Galatea]

Because God is love, and when you sin, you sin against love.

It is painful to wound Love.

 

[Mr H A Bull]

So here is an analogy: let's say you're a guy and meet a girl and really want to possibly marry her one day. Let's say she gives you a list of things she likes and things she does not like and then says as long as you follow this list, you're good but mess up and I'm out of here. I mean what kind of a relationship would that be?

That's a very good analogy. I like it and will use it.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

That is why I say there is no such thing as freedom. We either turn from sin or go to hell. How is that freedom?

I guess I will never understand. But I will work hard at turning away from Sin but I will not say that I am free.

John 8:32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Heaven is not some far off place, but WITHIN each and every one of us IF we (seek and )find HIM. We need to look in the right place and by HIS spirit HE will reveal it. It is not something we can do ourselves. With man it is impossible, but with God ALL things are possible. The battle is flesh against spirit but HE has already won the victory...we just have to BELIEVE it to be true or it will never happen.

Jesus came to set us free from sin and HE also promised LIFE abundant! HE promises to give us peace that passes all human understanding and joy that bubbles up from deep inside...if we truly drink from HIS living waters.

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Maybe you are not drinking from the right spring??

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The battle is real, putting that sin man to death (flesh) for it is contrary to the spirit. But if we continue on if genuine faith, the Spirit will prevail and the battle cease...and all the promises contained in his word be real in our lives...IF we believe it will be so. Anything less is unbelief...

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

We just have to BELIEVE it is true...We must wakeup to what was before Adam was place in a deep slumber and blinded to, when he walked only in the Day...Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

 

[Neogaia777]

John 8:32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Heaven is not some far off place, but WITHIN each and every one of us IF we (seek and )find HIM. We need to look in the right place and by HIS spirit HE will reveal it. It is not something we can do ourselves. With man it is impossible, but with God ALL things are possible. The battle is flesh against spirit but HE has already won the victory...we just have to BELIEVE it to be true or it will never happen.

Jesus came to set us free from sin and HE also promised LIFE abundant! HE promises to give us peace that passes all human understanding and joy that bubbles up from deep inside...if we truly drink from HIS living waters.

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

John 4:14 But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Maybe you are not drinking from the right spring??

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The battle is real, putting that sin man to death (flesh) for it is contrary to the spirit. But if we continue on if genuine faith, the Spirit will prevail and the battle cease...and all the promises contained in his word be real in our lives...IF we believe it will be so. Anything less is unbelief...

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

We just have to BELIEVE it is true...We must wakeup to what was before Adam was place in a deep slumber and blinded to, when he walked only in the Day...Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Let's get down to it, most people in this life do not get set free from all sin, especially if they are acutely aware of what sin is, all sin, and if they are right about sin...

Set free from sin, or the guilt, shame, and regret of sin, if we pray about it or up until we pray about it, and apologize and are repentant, each time, and after we pray about it set free from the guilt, regret, and shame...?

Recall when Jesus asked Peter how many times he should forgive his brother if he only says he repents or is repentant every time, in other words... 7 times...? No, up to seventy times 7 times... 490 times, but he did not mean a literal amount, he meant "every time"...

Can you still sin and be in God or God be in you...? I think you'd/he'd/we'd have to (be able to) and basically get away with it under certain conditions... (One condition probably being that we don't see it as "getting away with it" but I don't know what else fits to describe it)...

God Bless!