Sinful Tattoo

[faroukfarouk]

Moko kauae

Thanks. So briefly how would you define Moko kauae?

 

[Anguspure]

Thanks. So briefly how would you define Moko kauae?

 

[faroukfarouk]

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Thanks for the clear reply!

So is this quite widespread now in NZ? increasingly so, even?

 

[Anguspure]

Thanks for the clear reply!

So is this quite widespread now in NZ? increasingly so, even?

I would say it is increasing among Maori women based upon my personal observation but I'm not sure how widespread it is.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I have recently seen many more women with Moko kauae. I do think this reflects the more general cultural infuence because of the feminine tendency to be more likely to stay in step with the general culture for the sake of the family.

Yes I can see that in a way it's all about family; Whanau and Iwi are really all about family and extended family, really, I guess.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I would say it is increasing among Maori women based upon my personal observation but I'm not sure how widespread it is.

So do the same tattoo parlors in NZ do both the Western tattooing methods and the indigenous methods?

 

[Anguspure]

So do the same tattoo parlors in NZ do both the Western tattooing methods and the indigenous methods?

Not really. The designs themselves (as pretty designs) are of course able to be used (be it with reservation from the Maori community).

But if one wants a Ta Moko or Moko Kauae that truly reflects the meaning behind it one would seek an artist that truly understands what is being inscribed on the flesh.

As a side note, it is interesting for me that we are discussing this over the last couple of days. Today I went with my duaghter to a formal Marae cultural presentation for her school and what we have been discussing in the cultural context formed a part of the proceedings. Very timely and with my mind in that frame I found the whole thing to be a whole lot more enriching.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Not really. The designs themselves (as pretty designs) are of course able to be used (be it with reservation from the Maori community).
But if one wants a Ta Moko or Moko Kauae that truly reflects the meaning behind it one would seek an artist that truly understands what is being inscribed on the flesh.

As a side note, it is interesting for me that we are discussing this over the last couple of days. Today I went with my duaghter to a formal Marae cultural presentation for her school and what we have been discussing in the cultural context formed a part of the proceedings. Very timely and with my mind in that frame I found the whole thing to be a whole lot more enriching.

Thanks for the info.!

So does your daughter have any tattoo plans (whether Western or indigenous style)?

 

[Anguspure]

Thanks for the info.!

So does your daughter have any tattoo plans (whether Western or indigenous style)?

Not as such although she does like flowers and love hearts a lot and likes drawing them on her self and her friends. It is definitely becoming a cultural norm. I remember drawing tattoos on myself as a young boy but this sort of play was not as common and I don't remember the girls ever doing it.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Not as such although she does like flowers and love hearts a lot and likes drawing them on her self and her friends. It is definitely becoming a cultural norm. I remember drawing tattoos on myself as a young boy but this sort of play was not as common and I don't remember the girls ever doing it.

Well, in North America apparently statistics show that 59%-70% or more of parlor clients are female; don't know if there is such a similar proportion at NZ parlors.

 

[Anguspure]

Well, in North America apparently statistics show that 59%-70% or more of parlor clients are female; don't know if there is such a similar proportion at NZ parlors.

I would say so although I havn't seen stats on it.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I would say so although I havn't seen stats on it.

Of course, it's not statistics that drive ppl to do it; and in any case your daughter is probably not at the stage yet where doing it would be a viable option. Sounds like it was a very interesting presentation, anyway.

 

[faroukfarouk]

It is definitely becoming a cultural norm.

PS: Yes, I would agree; and doing it at 18 is what so many seem to expect to do now as a cultural norm - for them, at least.

Unfortunately some rush into it without due planning! If it's going to be done at 18, the time to start planning is at 16 or 17, so that when when official adulthood arrives with what you call this cultural norm, they are less likely to regret it later.

 

[Anguspure]

PS: Yes, I would agree; and doing it at 18 is what so many seem to expect to do now as a cultural norm - for them, at least.

Unfortunately some rush into it without due planning! If it's going to be done at 18, the time to start planning is at 16 or 17, so that when when official adulthood arrives with what you call this cultural norm, they are less likely to regret it later.

Where you are from, are there any long age cultural reasons for tattoo?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Where you are from, are there any long age cultural reasons for tattoo?

Canada would be similar to the US in that respect; and the First Nations community is relatively small compared with the Maori. In the US, there was and is a huge naval base at San Diego, and tattoos were formerly associated with male sailors (and bikers, of course); but, as I said, now apparently in North America 59%-70% or more of parlor client are female; so who the whole scene has changed a lot in recent decades. Not only do a lot of young ppl get ink at around 18, a lot of young Christians get faith based ink as a witness tool or personal reminder, FYI:

Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.

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[Faithful Scuff]

Thinking this might be the next one. The font will change but the rest will reman the same. Would almost like to do it in Greek.

 

[faroukfarouk]

BTW, ppl: the phrase 'Sinful tattoo' might to some ppl seem to refer to a particular concept of tattoo; I don't know.

It in some ways reminds me of the phrase 'Sinful Lips' TM, which is of course a brand concept of lipstick (unusual name; maybe a misnomer? IDK).

I guess, in any case that, just as using the phrase 'Sinful Lips' TM is not necessarily a statement that all lipstick is supposedly sinful, so also the phrase 'Sinful Tattoo' does not necessarily convey the connotation that all tattoos are sinful. (Some might be?))

Thoughts?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Thinking this might be the next one. The font will change but the rest will reman the same. Would almost like to do it in Greek.

Cross tattoos are very popular, yes.

As, increasingly, is the Christian fish sign <><.

So do you have the placement worked out?

 

[Faithful Scuff]

So do you have the placement worked out?

Right now upper left arm, but subject to change.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Right now upper left arm, but subject to change.

I think you already did your lower left arm, correct?