Sin is...

[Hammster]

Hammster said: ↑
That we hasn't been redeemed. We will still sin as believers. Paul lays it out pretty good in Romans 7.

I am asking the question in order to find out what you meant, in the way YOU used the word.

To say we haven't been redeemed, what did you mean when you used it?

Our flesh hasn't been redeemed. We will still battle with our flesh until we die. Paul spells it out pretty good in Romans 7 and 8.

Sorry my answers haven't been clear. I'm training a new driver and I got distracted.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

“But since I could not see because of the brightness of that light, I was led by the hand by those who were with me and came into Damascus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

???

I said around verse 11 common sense would indicate I was just going off memory and you could look around a bit.
Mark 16:16 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
comment: you believe... and then as the Greek word for believe pisteou means you then act on that belief by then repenting and get baptized and seeking the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the LORD

 

[JIMINZ]

Our flesh hasn't been redeemed. We will still battle with our flesh until we die. Paul spells it out pretty good in Romans 7 and 8.

Sorry my answers haven't been clear. I'm training a new driver and I got distracted.

Do you know the Definition of Redeemed?
Do you know we are dead to the Flesh?
Do you know we are dead to the Law?
Do you know we are dead to Sin?
Do you know how Paul overcame the problem of the flesh in Rom. 7

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[Devin P]

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Lets stick to what your belief is.

A question for clarity.

From what you said above, I am not sure as to what you believe.

Is it your Belief, after a person becomes a Believer, and gains Salvation, they remain sinners?

Well yeah, because that's what the word says. Although, it's not that they desire to sin. Everything in their will, heart, and mind desires NOT to sin, but their flesh has sin in it that remains. The spirit, is lawful and maintains the law out of pure desire. The flesh is sinful and breaks the law out of pure desire. What one desires, contradicts what the other one desires.

 

[Devin P]

That's a false dichotomy.

It's not. Once saved always saved simply isn't true. You can give into the desires of the flesh, or you can fight the good fight, and walk in the spirit. The flesh is lawlessness, the spirit is lawfulness. One is unrighteous, the other is righteousness. Even walking in the spirit, we will not fulfill the whole of the law, but our faith will pick us up where we fall. The faith in Yeshuwah, is what justifies us.

But, just as Abraham, even though he was justified by faith, he still kept the laws of God, and was told to be perfect.

 

[Hammster]

Do you know the Definition of Redeemed?
Do you know we are dead to the Flesh?
Do you know we are dead to the Law?
Do you know we are dead to Sin?
Do you know how Paul overcame the problem of the flesh in Rom. 7

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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Do you know we will still sin, and why?

 

[Hammster]

It's not. Once saved always saved simply isn't true. You can give into the desires of the flesh, or you can fight the good fight, and walk in the spirit. The flesh is lawlessness, the spirit is lawfulness. One is unrighteous, the other is righteousness. Even walking in the spirit, we will not fulfill the whole of the law, but our faith will pick us up where we fall. The faith in Yeshuwah, is what justifies us.

But, just as Abraham, even though he was justified by faith, he still kept the laws of God, and was told to be perfect.

Which laws did he keep?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Do you know we will still sin, and why?

Sure even people who are saved can sin at times but they don't have to.... it's avoidable

 

[Hammster]

I said around verse 11 common sense would indicate I was just going off memory and you could look around a bit.
Mark 16:16 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
comment: you believe... and then as the Greek word for believe pisteou means you then act on that belief by then repenting and get baptized and seeking the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the LORD

First, Mark 16:16 isn't really scripture. Second, grammatically, calling on the name of the Lord comes first.

Scripture that supports it

“that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

for "W HOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-10, 13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

First, Mark 16:16 isn't really scripture. Second, grammatically, calling on the name of the Lord comes first.

Scripture that supports it

“that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

for "W HOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-10, 13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

It's in the Bible but it's not scripture? Chill man lol stop making excuses. Also you realize romans was post acts right? Those people were already saved and filled with the Holy Ghost they were just slacking to a degree and paul was letting them know if they confess their faults (because as I stated it's possible for a saved person to sin) to the lord they could be free of those actions commited

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

First, Mark 16:16 isn't really scripture. Second, grammatically, calling on the name of the Lord comes first.

Scripture that supports it

“that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

for "W HOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-10, 13‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Also you get saved by crying out to God that's what they did at pentocost to receive the Holy Ghost in not disputing that.

 

[Hammster]

It's in the Bible but it's not scripture? Chill man lol stop making excuses. Also you realize romans was post acts right? Those people were already saved and filled with the Holy Ghost they were just slacking to a degree and paul was letting them know if they confess their faults (because as I stated it's possible for a saved person to sin) to the lord they could be free of those actions commited

Can you support that Romans was post-Acts, and give a reason why it matters?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Can you support that Romans was post-Acts, and give a reason why it matters?

It matters because there's a difference between not being saved at all and being saved but simply sinning somewhat or slacking off and needing a refilling. Those in acts 4 for example were saved yet they still were able to receive a refilling of the Holy Ghost they needed it to be bold for example the people in romans to overcome certain things they were doing . Also I'm about to be busy now I'll prove to you those in romans were already saved maybe in an hour or two

 

[Hammster]

It matters because there's a difference between not being saved at all and being saved but simply sinning somewhat or slacking off and needing a refilling. Those in acts 4 for example were saved yet they still were able to receive a refilling of the Holy Ghost. Also I'm about to be busy now I'll prove to you those in romans were already saved maybe in an hour or two

Of course they were saved. It was written to a church. But that doesn't change anything. (And Romans was written before Acts, though that irrelevant, too).

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Of course they were saved. It was written to a church. But that doesn't change anything. (And Romans was written before Acts, though that irrelevant, too).

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Of course they were saved. It was written to a church. But that doesn't change anything. (And Romans was written before Acts, though that irrelevant, too).

It couldn't have been written before.. again I'll be able to write a long post later when I'm on laptop and explain. But yeah acts was the first book in which a group of people received the Holy Ghost on the inside and spoke with tounques. Also if they are saved already that does change everything... the epistles were letters for churches led by saved folk if they are saved they wouldn't be told to be perform acts 2:38 and be saved again again and they weren't. They were simply told to cry out to God to be saved from things some of them held on to or stuck with. I'll elbeaorte more later but Paul wouldn't tell a saved church to be saved in the initial repent, he baptized and get the Holy Ghost, sense again and he didn here. Paul isn't saying here just accept God is salvation.

 

[Devin P]

Which laws did he keep?

Genesis 26:4-5

God's holy laws. The same one's Adam and Eve, Noah, Cain and Abel were supposed to keep. God's law IS the tree of life. Us deciding to disobey and judge things for ourselves IS the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

To sin, is to disobey God's law. Think about it, without the law, how could we not sin? What is sin? Without the law, how could we be obedient to God? What are we being obedient to? By doing away with the law, just as occurs today, it leaves thousands of interpretations for what's right up in the air. When, there's no need for it. God told us how to live, He told us how we're to be. People - the flesh - just don't like to accept it.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Of course they were saved. It was written to a church. But that doesn't change anything. (And Romans was written before Acts, though that irrelevant, too).

Of course they were saved. It was written to a church. But that doesn't change anything. (And Romans was written before Acts, though that irrelevant, too).

now maybe romans was written first I have to double check besides Corinthians was written before acts even though acts happened first... so even if romans was written first ye doesn't mean events took place pre acts

 

[JIMINZ]

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Do you know we will still sin, and why?

No, could you please explain.

 

[Hammster]

It couldn't have been written before.. again I'll be able to write a long post later when I'm on laptop and explain. But yeah acts was the first book in which a group of people received the Holy Ghost on the inside and spoke with tounques. Also if they are saved already that does change everything... the epistles were letters for churches led by saved folk if they are saved they wouldn't be told to be perform acts 2:38 and be saved again again and they weren't. They were simply told to cry out to God to be saved from things some of them held on to or stuck with. I'll elbeaorte more later but Paul wouldn't tell a saved church to be saved in the initial repent, he baptized and get the Holy Ghost, sense again and he didn here. Paul isn't saying here just accept God is salvation.

Romans 10 isn't Paul telling a saved church to be saved.