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Signs of the Last Days

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by dysert, Aug 4, 2015.

  1. Straightshot

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    I like your post above because of your understanding that the Lord's next intervention will come without warning to call His true ecclesia to immortality .... and then to bring His judgment upon the unbelieving unsuspecting world at the time [Matthew 24:36-39; Revelation 3:10]


    This unprecedented judgment will come upon both Israel for pressuring the nation to turn to Him, and upon the nations of the Gentiles to punish them for refusing to believe the truth about Him and who He is

    But, He has not given the dating of His first action and there will be no signs or warning given .... these things will manifest only just after He has executed [begun] His coming judgment "the Day of the Lord" .... so nothing will be apparent until

    We simply will have no way of predicting His initial intervention by any signs before .... things may look like He is about to pull the trigger .... but no one can know .... many have speculated over the centuries and all have obviously been wrong

    So it is better not to speculate the event .... He said one must be ready [saved] for a time that no one can predict

    Also, understand that Matthew 24 and Luke 21:20-36 are about national Israel and not the "church", but about the coming time of Jacob's trouble still pending as we speak .... and there is nothing in the passage about an end time resurrection of anyone recorded .... the Lord's true ecclesia will have already been made immortal just before

    What we do have today is a returned remnant of Israel in the land as an independent political entity after centuries of uprooting and displacement, and this must be so because the nation has to be there in order to experience what is coming

    The current remnant is in blindness today, but this is going to change during the coming 70th week decreed for the nation, and a portion will turn to their Messiah and King [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Zechariah 13:8-9; Matthew 24:29-31; Romans 11:25-36]

    So the Lord has delayed [2 Peter 3:8-9] His next intervention because of Israel's rejection of Him at His first advent in the first century with the foreknowledge that many will seek and find His salvation .... and when the fullness of His true ecclesia is complete and all are made immortal, He will then bring the 70th week decreed [Daniel 9:24-27] still pending [Romans 11:25-36]
     
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  2. charlesj

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    read my post below. I sent this by mistake.
     
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  3. parousia70

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    Luke 21:20-24 is unquestionably about 70AD. You can argue that a shift occurs in verse 25 that then takes a "long view" and anything from 25 onward is still future, As noted Futurist Thomas Ice does, but 20-24 were without question fulfilled in 70AD, as scripture teaches and as teh vast majority of Church scholars and Bible commentators, including super dispensational futurist Thomas Ice, agree.

    In fact, I don't think there is a single published scholar with a dispensational Futurist view that believes and teaches that Luke 21:20-24 is still future
     
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  4. charlesj

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    I jumped into this thread without reading all the replies. John did say "must take place “SHORTLY" (Revelation 1:1 & 22:6; Greek word for shortly is "tachos" means 'at your elbow, speedily'.) and also "the time is near" (Rev 1:3 & 22:10) This book (Revelation) is an expansion of Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is a prophecy given by our Lord Jesus on the destruction of Jerusalem. (70 A.D.) We with our "western minds" read it and misunderstand the language used by the Hebrew prophets (Jesus was also a prophet)
    In Jeremiah 4:27 God tells Jeremiah that He was fixing to destroy Israel and destroy the temple. He said this would not be a "complete destruction." This was fulfilled in 586 B.C. Israel was taken into captivity for 70 years. Later, by contrast, Daniel in 9:27 Daniel is told that 'the abomination of desolation" (Titus) would come and destroy them. God said it would be a 'COMPLETE DESTRUCTION." This is spoken of in Matthew 24 and Mark, Luke.

    Hebrews in apocalyptic speech used elements such as "sun, moon and stars" to represent a nations leaders. We with our western minds take them literally. Take a look at Genesis 37:9 were Joseph had a dream of the sun, moon and stars bowing down to him. He was rebuked by his father Jacob. Jacob said “shall I, your mother and brothers bow down to you?” This prophecy was fulfilled later when Joseph was ruling Egypt. Sun, moon and stars represent the headship of the house.

    I am going to quote from Jim McGuiggan a friend and a professor I had in bible college in 1976.

    Those that want to write me on this can at [email protected].

    Your servant in Christ,

    charlesj


    “Apocalyptic speech is lurid in its colors and very often violent in its tone. It strikes the imagination and grabs hold of the mind. Who, having read of it, can forget the seven headed sea beast or the scarlet prostitute on its back? Whose mind does not boggle over the falling of stars and the rolling up of the heavens? Apocalyptic speech is vivid and easily remembered. It appeals to our imagination. It is the language of conflict and victory. It is the language used when God smites the oppressor and vindicates his people. It is the language of crisis if not of persecution.”

    ---Jim McGuiggan, Revelation, page 14.

    "knowledge gained and not shared is knowledge stolen" -Mark Davis, minister
     
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  5. parousia70

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    Careful friend... them's Fightin' words 'round these here parts... ;)
     
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  6. charlesj

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    I don't mean to start anything. I feel like what I've said in my post is truth. What I said can be heard in most Christian Churches and churches of Christ. We have fought errors over the years in the "restoration movement." Kenneth Gentry wrote several books on this subject and did a very outstanding job.
    When Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 A.D. God destroyed their genealogies. No Jew today can tell you from what tribe they are from. Your will never see an Aaronic priesthood again. Jesus replaced that priesthood.... it is eternal.

    Again, I am not looking for an argument (I'm to old at 75).

    email me and we can correspond more on it as I can't develop a full picture here. (I gave my email in the earlier post)
    thanks,
    Your servant in Messiah, Jesus the Christ,
    charlesj
     
  7. Jipsah

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    Nice bit of rhetorical chest beating, but it doesn't really signify much. The Lord will return when it is His good pleasure to do so, some time between right now and a zillion years hence.

    Sorry, but to anyone who actually has a knowledge of history, the world is markedly better off than it has ever been before. Seriously, when was the last plague that wiped out half a continent? Been awhile, hasn't it? Fewer epidemics, less hunger, better medical care, people better clothed, housed, fed, and generally secure than in any time previous. Do people still do bad stuff? Yep, always have and always will, but the general welfare is higher than it has ever been, much as that may disappoint you.

    And the state of the Church? "Oh, no the Church in the US does thus and so, we're doomed!" Hate to break this to ya, mate, but whatever happens in the US, there are 1.3 thousand million Chinamen who couldn't possibly care less. And by some projections, there are more Christians in China than there are people in the US. And that's just one country (albeit a scary big one). The Church is alive and well world wide, They may not look like you or talk like you, but they name the Name of Christ just as we do.

    So no, the "it's never been this bad before" schtick simply isn't true, and wouldn't have all that much eschatological significance if it was.

    Wake up to this: You, me, any one of us may be deader than Julius Caesar by this time tomorrow. Forget blathering about the End of the World, the end of our world may be right now, and certainly isn't very far in the future for any of us. Common sense requires that we be ready to stand before the Lord now. If you're ready to leave now, then you're ready if our Lord returns now. Denial of that is not only useless, but stupid and self deceptive.
     
  8. Jipsah

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    Yet he said the things he foretold were going to happen "soon", and that the time was at hand. How'd he miss that?
     
  9. Jipsah

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    "Ain't no Real Christians but me and thee, and I ain't all that red-hot sure about thee." -- Brother Buford.

    If the Revelator had been writing to the Lord instead of people then calling 2000 years odd "soon" might have made sense.
     
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  10. yeshuasavedme

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    Why do you not know this for yourself since it is all over the news concerning Believers that the US unarmed forces may not practice" Christianity" in many ways. Crosses, Bibles, and the name of Jesus invoked in prayers are being forbidden and some court marshals have taken place because of the "laws" inacted upon the unarmed forces of the United States of America.
     
  11. Jipsah

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    I do so love a well-reasoned Biblical argument. <ROFL>

    Ah, but the one thing you apparently haven't tried yet is making a cogent argument for your New Religion futurism. Or if you have, I haven't seen it.

    Which of course you would never, ever do. Ever. <Guffaw>

    I'll bet he doesn't even believe in the reinstitution of animal sacrifice in The Millennium. Heretic!
     
  12. yeshuasavedme

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    You miss God's revelation and meaning and words applied in context to God's timing.
    Please read Psalm 37 to learn about God's "soon" declared to be coming which was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit several thousand years ago.
    And it is always at hand, in every generation until it is fulfilled totally.
    For those who watch and pray to be counted worthy to escape all these things coming as Jesus said, and to stand before the Son of Man -in heaven, as priests in His temple, they live lives pure before the LORD, so that if they are not alive and remaining when Jesus returns in the heavens to receive His congregation to Himself, then they will be the first who receive the heavenly regenerated bodies of transformation made for the Glory.

    Who would want to live a life that would not be always ready to go at the sound of the two trumpet blasts of the two heavenly trumpets which Moses typed that shall blast twice, together, to call the gathering together of the entire congregation of the LORD, to come stand before His temple doors in heaven, so as to Hear His words to them, when He tells them to come in and hide until the indignation be past... as numbers 10:1-7 and Isaiah 26:19--21, and Leviticus 8, and Psalm 50 teach us?
     
  13. Jipsah

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    Then why'd they include it in their canon of Scripture? (Which, if I'm not too badly mistaken, your lot still uses, except for some stuff that you've removed from it as unnecessary.) <Laugh>
     
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  15. yeshuasavedme

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    Well, if you haven't reached the age to realize that your life is just a vapor, which is vanishing fast, then you will "soon".
    What on earth is 70 years [almost my age] or 100, or even a thousand, in light of the eternity God is preparing a building to house His glory in, and to "plant the heavens" thereby?
    The prophet Hosea wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that the LORD will revive His namesake people of the New Man name "after two days, in the third day He will raise them up".
    The third day is almost here and the end of those two millennial days comes in just a few years, for Jesus rose 33 AD, after the namesake people rejected Him as a nation, and we are now just shy of that finished, "second day".
     
  16. pureinheart

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    Amen, I like what you said about the Lord having mercy on this wicked age- I needed to hear that big time. I get so frustrated concerning certain matters and the fact is, God is in control and always has been!
     
  17. Douggg

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    Well the re-establishment of Israel, and Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews have both already taken place. But the formation of the ten king (leader) kingdom, the final form of the EU, imo, then "yes" it is possible that could take place after the rapture. Not that it must, but it could.
     
  18. bibletruth469

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    To the OP:

    Yes, I believe there are many signs point that we are indeed living in the last days before the second coming of Christ. One must keep in mind that all of the signs listed in scripture are occurring in more intensity now like birth pains. Look at Matt 24 and Luke 21 for a list of major signs. They have been going on since Christ's ascension but have been gearing up in exponential speed now in our generation.

    What is the major sign in the age that we currently live in compared to the past generations? It is the rebirth of Israel in 1948 and the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967. The sign of Israel returning to her land IMO is the most significant sign and prove that we are indeed living in the last days before Christ's soon return. Israel had to be in the land before major bible prophecies could occur.

    I also believe that all these signs point to Christ's second coming and not the rapture. The rapture is a signless event . The second coming of Christ IMO will occur after the 7 year tribulation which will effect the entire world. Rev 3:10. The church will not be here for this time frame.

    All the signs are gearing up like never before in our history. We are indeed living in the very last days!
     
  19. Straightshot

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    Yes the major "sign" is the return of a remnant of Israel to the land in the midst of the tiny nations surrounding enemies involved in the controversy between Issac [the root of Israel] and Ishmael [the root of the Muslims]

    How long will it be before the Lord brings this stand off to the fulfillment of the visions of His prophets? .... no one can know this dating .... but can know by the events on the day when the curtain is raised these things begin to come to pass [Revelation 6:12-17] .... there will be no doubt about it
     
  20. JESUSKiDtommy

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    One of the best end time videos i have seen. It simply gives facts about where technology is, and where it is going. The whole video is youtube clips from science documentaries, and news programs, factual stuff that we need to be aware of because it represents the green leaves that let us know summer is nigh at hand.

     
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