"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you." Matthew 12:28
...When was that?
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...When was that?
A mortal's receiving and infilling of the Lord's holy spirit is one thing
..... being made immortal is another
The true Christian is part of the Lord's a mystery kingdom .... yet to be revealed [Romans 8]
.... living in the world, but not of it
..... being made immortal is another
The true Christian is part of the Lord's a mystery kingdom .... yet to be revealed [Romans 8]
.... living in the world, but not of it
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You have zeal, but lack knowledge of the Word and do not understand how to "parse" the Word, as a true student of the Word does.
Going backwards: death comes to no born again in Christ believer, for we shall not see death, for our sins are removed and Christ tasted our death for us, which is the first death of separation from the Glory in "the great divorce" when Adam was "cast out/divorced from the Glory" when he was driven out of Paradise above, in Mount Eden, where the Tree of Life is, and which is in the third heaven, as the Word of God so states; and Adam was cast down to earth below and the gate to Paradise in Eden above was closed to him forever....
But God has taken Elijah to heaven and Elijah has not died. The Word of God states that fact.
2 Kings 2:11-And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah "went up" ascended by a whirlwind into heaven.
Not only did Elijah ascend into heaven, but the Word also calls it a "rapture"; but he did not die, and is returning to be a witness, with Moses, to Israel, in the streets of Jerusalem, in the tribulation.
2Ki 2:5 And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away/laqach/rapture thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan...
Elijah is raptured to Mount Eden/Paradise, in the third heaven above, where he was "raptured" to [laqach is transliterated to English from the Hebrew word for taken away, removed from one place to another, married, etc..]
Not one born again in Christ who is alive and remaining on earth when the LORD calls for the gathering together unto Himself of His congregation, in the heavens, to enter their "chambers" and to hide while the tribulation is passed, will depart their flesh bodies, but will be transformed in a moment, in a twinkle of an eye, and the body will never be left to rot when they receive the regeneration of it and ascend into heaven to be with the LORD where He is to celebrate the consecration of them to the heavenly priesthood, as Moses typed in the Law, for our instruction.
So the context is that in Adam all die, but in Christ all are made alive, and not one made alive in Christ person tastes death, neither the first of separation from the Glory nor the second of the blackness of darkness forever int he Lake of Fire.
Now as to the statement of Christ "than no man has ascended to heaven, but He that is come down from heaven, even the Son of Man that is in heaven", that was a direct referral to the ascension to the throne of the Son of Man, which no human being has ascended to, and which the Son of Man in heaven is sitting on, even while He is extended into the flesh creation human being body of the second Man, with the New Man name.
Go learn about that throne which is prepared for the Son of man in heaven, and which the Son of Man on earth was sitting on even while He was and is, forever, in human being flesh of New Man creation to be our Kinsman Redeemer.
Enoch said that throne is prepared for the Son of Man, and the Son of Man is also come as God in flesh, and no Adam human being could sit on that throne. It is on the highest of the seven mountains in heaven, and is glorious.
Elijah ascended into heaven.
Enoch ascended into heaven.
Moses ascended into heaven, and is alive, and is coming to die in Jerusalem, with Elijah, and be resurrected in the flesh of their bodies regenerated/transformed, to never die again.[/B]
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If a spirit filled believer observed the casting for what it was then this understanding reflects the fact that the observer recognized the truth about the matter
He was speaking to those of the unregenerate "Jews" who were accusing Him of casting by satanic means
And His answer was that the same were not of the kingdom of God as they claimed, but were in fact of the kingdom of Satan
Those mortals who are born again with the Lord's spirit are of the kingdom of God .... a mystery kingdom not yet manifested to the world until His second advent [Romans 8] .... and these can discern truth from error when observing events as to whether they are of the Lord, or of the devil
He was speaking to those of the unregenerate "Jews" who were accusing Him of casting by satanic means
And His answer was that the same were not of the kingdom of God as they claimed, but were in fact of the kingdom of Satan
Those mortals who are born again with the Lord's spirit are of the kingdom of God .... a mystery kingdom not yet manifested to the world until His second advent [Romans 8] .... and these can discern truth from error when observing events as to whether they are of the Lord, or of the devil
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While that is true, it does not negate what He said about when the kingdom came upon the world. You cannot claim part of what he said as truth, and regard the rest as untruth.
Romans 8 is clear enough...but you misunderstand. Paul was not contradicting Jesus, but you are. Nor did he say what you are saying.
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If you think I know nothing about very basic Bible truth, then don't ask me your questions
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If you think I know nothing about very basic Bible truth, then don't ask me your questions
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