Should Secession be an option?

[szechuan]

And the blue country would have no source of food.

Many blue states is where corn is also produced. Not saying Red States don't because they do too. Unless this is year 1984

 

[TerranceL]

Many blue states is where corn is also produced. Not saying Red States don't because they do too. Unless this is year 1984

Were talking about the county maps not the state maps.

 

[abdAlSalam]

And the blue country would have no source of food.

California has the highest agricultural output in the nation. It makes up 17.3% of all agriculture in the US. Oregon and Washington are also no slouches.

Source:
Agriculture sector top 10 states by GDP - Industries | EconPost

 

[szechuan]

Were talking about the county maps not the state maps.

but they were talking about states seceding. And when it comes to corn production Blue states also produce quite a lot.

 

[TerranceL]

but they were talking about states seceding. And when it comes to corn production Blue states also produce quite a lot.

Look at the last paragraph of the post I responded to.

 

[abdAlSalam]

You said country, TerranceL.

 

[MachZer0]

Many blue states is where corn is also produced. Not saying Red States don't because they do too. Unless this is year 1984

That would work out great it seems. Red states would have plenty of food and blue states would have plenty of ethanol

 

[keith99]

To what level? If states secede... can then towns secede from these states? Neighborhoods from the towns? Streets? Individual homes?

Can the San Fernando valley secede from Los Angeles? (A real issue and one with far better grounds than msot states seceding from the U.S.)

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Basically, it seems to be a matter of Federalism vs Anti-Federalism - and within the dyanmic of States arguing if they can seceede...you have communities within the states wondering if they have to do everything that their states demand/place up (in the event that they disagree with it).

 

[SnowCal]

Terrance was responding to my suggestion that we divide the country up on county lines. At which point Red County America would be truly and utterly screwed.

True that Blue County America would have squat for food production. Some seafood. And all the garlic. But we'd be lacking for food production. But that's okay. We still have all the saltwater ports. So we'll just buy up all the grub that poor people in Africa and Asia are eating. That means they'll starve but so what? Gotta reduce the surplus population somehow.

See, Red County America has absolutely nothing that Blue County America absolutely needs. We could get everything we need elsewhere, maybe not as cheap. But Blue County America has something Red County America desperately needs: access to markets, including internal ones. And we could embargo you into the stone age if we wanted to. Would probably cause another Dust Bowl if we did.

I don't think it'd be a very stable division. Red County and Blue County America would go to war pretty quickly.

 

[SnowCal]

To put it another way, Red County America would basically be Palestine. It would probably be a pretty dramatic humanitarian crisis.

 

[MachZer0]

To put it another way, Red County America would basically be Palestine. It would probably be a pretty dramatic humanitarian crisis.

If the Red States became Palestine, the Blue states would finally support us.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Terrance was responding to my suggestion that we divide the country up on county lines. At which point Red County America would be truly and utterly screwed.

True that Blue County America would have squat for food production. Some seafood. And all the garlic. But we'd be lacking for food production. But that's okay. We still have all the saltwater ports. So we'll just buy up all the grub that poor people in Africa and Asia are eating. That means they'll starve but so what? Gotta reduce the surplus population somehow.

See, Red County America has absolutely nothing that Blue County America absolutely needs. We could get everything we need elsewhere, maybe not as cheap. But Blue County America has something Red County America desperately needs: access to markets, including internal ones. And we could embargo you into the stone age if we wanted to. Would probably cause another Dust Bowl if we did.

I don't think it'd be a very stable division. Red County and Blue County America would go to war pretty quickly.

Keep in mind that if this division ever took place, most of the rich folks would probably move to Red county so Blue country would lack something it needs, tax dollars to actually fund all of the programs they'd want to do. Not to mention that all of the freeloaders in Red county would probably move to Blue county where they'd have it easier. The few rich folks that chose to stay in Blue county on principle would probably only stick around for a few years before they finally got fed up with how much they'd actually have to pay in taxes to keep Blue Country utopia above water.

To put it another way, Red County America would basically be Palestine. It would probably be a pretty dramatic humanitarian crisis.

Not sure exactly what you mean by this???

When you say humanitarian crisis, do you mean in terms of nobody wanting to be charitable? Because I'd be happy to post the stats that show that the 10 ten states in terms of charity are Red states and that republicans, on average, donate 10% more to charity than democrats.

 

[Redac]

If the Red States became Palestine, the Blue states would finally support us.

We're already supporting you financially.

 

[SnowCal]

If the Red States became Palestine, the Blue states would finally support us.

You're already the biggest recipient of their foreign aid money by some huge number...

 

[MachZer0]

We're already supporting you financially.

You're already the biggest recipient of their foreign aid money by some huge number...

Touched a nerve I guess

 

[SnowCal]

Minichervi, the wealthy might indeed flee Blue County America but they'd run to more exotic locales.

The problem for Red County America is that it is strategically screwed. It has a ton of natural resource wealth, but without saltwater ports to get those goods to market they have a big problem. Those little pockets of blue at a lot of the transportation hubs would be a huge problem to even make things work internally with a trade embargo blocking foreign markets. Cigarette prices west of the Mississipi river would not be pretty. That would be a big blue obstacle to even internal commerce for Red County America.

That is why I compare it to Palestine. Because with that division you could be embargoed into the stone age.

 

[SnowCal]

Touched a nerve I guess

You left that one hanging right over the middle of the plate.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

To those who say loss of federal funds would make secession for states unrealistic - what happens when those funds dry up and Washington has no more money? The way the federal government is spending right now, it's inevitable.

 

[psalms 91]

They do not have the right to Secede... They can ask for the right to secede essentially asking Congress to change the law, but that has an extremely slim chance.

Actuaslly they do have that right and always have we are united by agreement and any state does have the right to leave