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Should Christians fight against fallen angels.... not each other?

Can demons be given HOPE?

  • No... the demons have zero hope!

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  • Yes..... Elijah must "restore all things"

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  • I am not sure but I will research this further.

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The work Jesus began- Luke 10-- Acts 20:20--It doesn't stop until the end--Jesus will battle satan and his angels and Abyss them for 1000 years. And all authority on earth-Daniel 2:44-- Rev 16
No mortal can defeat a spirit being. In the ot-- 1 night--185,000 killed by one spirit being.
 
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Then you also see why the catholic theology came up with the "death sentence" for those who didn't follow their theology.

The first known usage of the term in a legal context was in AD 380 by the Edict of Thessalonica of Theodosius I,[15] which made Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire. Prior to the issuance of this edict, the Church had no state-sponsored support for any particular legal mechanism to counter what it perceived as "heresy". By this edict the state's authority and that of the Church became somewhat overlapping. One of the outcomes of this blurring of Church and state was the sharing of state powers of legal enforcement with church authorities. This reinforcement of the Church's authority gave church leaders the power to, in effect, pronounce the death sentence upon those whom the church considered heretical.- Wiki

Human beings in their rages and power struggles are not very difficult to figure out. There isn't much mystery in any of it, really. It is very predictable.

Did Urban not pronounce those words in the context of a Crusade against the Moslems?
 
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Does a major fallen angel return to G-d and divide the kingdom of Satan and...

cause it to fall?

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel."(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)

In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"
(Matthew 12)
How does this fit in.
Luke chapter 12 verse 51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
 
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How does this fit in.
Luke chapter 12 verse 51
Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

On one level the division that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus predicted could be until the foundation is laid for the utopia of 2185 as shown to near death experiencer Howard Storm.

Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience


Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.
 
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Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!




(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):



I go into a theory here that we may be living in the time period when the kingdom of Satan is divided..... and it falls:

Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???
What on Earth have you been reading? Immense amount of nonsense in all that.
Satan's kingdom has ALWAYS been divided, makes no difference to us. They are all completely corrupt and cannot be redeemed. God the Father gave us Christ, He has not given a redeemer for the fallen angels.
 
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What on Earth have you been reading? Immense amount of nonsense in all that.
Satan's kingdom has ALWAYS been divided, makes no difference to us. They are all completely corrupt and cannot be redeemed. God the Father gave us Christ, He has not given a redeemer for the fallen angels.

I've been reading the Jewish Bible along with the Christian Bible for over forty years.......

Not at the time of the completion of the New Testament that is true.............
but we are living in the fulfillment of Yom Kippur and even more than that............

Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!
 
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Some of his vehement critics will use anything to try to discredit him. So what if he has a ministry to Masons?????

Just look at the fruit. So to have a ministry to Masons you must be one? And a knight of Malta? Come on, that is saying you became a satanist to minister satanist. I thought about putting a video here for you but I think you may have been offended. If so, that is not my intention. The bible says we are to inspect fruit. I get a little bit concerned when people defend these guys and are unwilling to look into things for themselves.
 
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Just look at the fruit. So to have a ministry to Masons you must be one? And a knight of Malta? Come on, that is saying you became a satanist to minister satanist. I thought about putting a video here for you but I think you may have been offended. If so, that is not my intention. The bible says we are to inspect fruit. I get a little bit concerned when people defend these guys and are unwilling to look into things for themselves.

I have read and re-read three of his books and lots of his articles........
he is one of the most insightful writers alive today...... and he assists me to
comprehend the gifts that my Pentecostal wife has.....
 
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Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!
Dreams are dreams not messages from God in the 21st century. In the scriptures some people received messages from God in their dreams but that is not a license to claim that any unusual dream a person has is a message from God.
 
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Should Christians fight against fallen angels.... not each other?

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!




(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):



I go into a theory here that we may be living in the time period when the kingdom of Satan is divided..... and it falls:

Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???
While the answer to the question is an unequivocal yes, the abode of evil and wickedness and the powers and the principalities that we wrestle against do not exist in the abstract, but dwell in the minds of flesh and blood people.
To draw blood and to rip flesh therefore is of little benefit. The lies behind the power of wickedness will still be believed in.
To battle against spiritual wickedness involves subjecting the darkness of the lie to the light of truth.

That is the nature of the battlefield upon which we are to engage.
 
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Dreams are dreams not messages from God in the 21st century. In the scriptures some people received messages from God in their dreams but that is not a license to claim that any unusual dream a person has is a message from God.
I was listening to this fellow Andrew Klavan on-line podcast the other day. He has the goofy, slapstick humor of comedians like Ted Skelton used to engage in, but through all humor the wisdom that he possesses is often striking.
He is a recent convert to Christianity from the life of a secular Jew, and in the process of getting to here from there, he really struggled with the question if it was really God's voice that was calling him to Baptism, and not just his own voice telling him what he wanted to hear. In the end, he came to the realization that it was really God's voice, but he really had to think it through to the end, and "reality test" that inner voice against the logic of Scripture itself.

Dreams can likewise be amazing tools. We as a rule do not generate our own dreams. They happen to us, streaming along in our inner lives and drawing us into their narrative.
And where do they originate from? Frpom an angel, or a demon, random firings of neurons, or a piece of undigested meat sitting uncomfortably in our belly?
Dreams, like the still, small voice of God, are of the category of phenomena known as signs and wonders. They expand our sense of reality and may serve to prepare us form the world that we are faced with tomorrow. They are therefore important to us. They are our connection to a world that is outside of our own will, and yet as close to us as our own minds.

We cannot however, take them at face value. Their source must be tested, and the means to do that is to do the work and test that dream against Scripture, and against the teachings of Traditional Christianity too, to ensure that there is no contradictions. The voice of God cannot contradict itself, for any house divided will not stand.
 
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But remember... the question being polled was..... "Can demons be given HOPE?"


Mat 17:10


And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things."

Nope. They are not the spirits of men but hybrids.
 
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Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!




(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):



I go into a theory here that we may be living in the time period when the kingdom of Satan is divided..... and it falls:

Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???
The war is with thoughts/concepts/ideas/philosophies and is expressed in and with words, verbally, and is a war of words... Shooting down false imaginations and ideas, while not denying or shooting down the truth, Shooting down negativity... And negative thoughts and Ideas in ourselves or in the world...

Combating lies and falsehoods and anything against the truth in this world... For the sake of the world to come...
 
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But remember... the question being polled was..... "Can demons be given HOPE?"


Mat 17:10


And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things."

That's not to include fallen angels or lucifer. That's man. We were created in God own image and likeness, not Angels. ;)
 
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I even have a physical copy of the book of enoch. My mentor, whos a very godly man, thinks im really "weird" for reading it, the way worldly people think Christians are ''weird''

That's not surprising. I think I know perhaps 6 people who don't consider Enoch heresy.
 
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The war is with thoughts/concepts/ideas/philosophies and is expressed in and with words, verbally, and is a war of words... Shooting down false imaginations and ideas, while not denying or shooting down the truth, Shooting down negativity... And negative thoughts and Ideas in ourselves or in the world...

Combating lies and falsehoods and anything against the truth in this world... For the sake of the world to come...
The tongue or spoken word(s) are/is the sword of the Spirit, they usually divide people groups in this world if they are the true Spirit, but, were told about all of that now, aren't we...?

Satan and his demons would like nothing more than to get you to focus on all the evil and wickedness the spiritual war going on around you is like bombs falling and explosions going off everywhere around you and you just supposed to calmly and cooly walk as if it were a bright and sunshiny nice day, la ti da!

But, there is a war going on and even though the world seems to be falling apart, try to see the good, and good also, balance is very important...

You have to speak the truth but in love, to win in this realm of principalities and powers through your doings with others...

This is not a war overcome by war, but by peace...

God Bless!
 
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The work Jesus began- Luke 10-- Acts 20:20--It doesn't stop until the end--Jesus will battle satan and his angels and Abyss them for 1000 years. And all authority on earth-Daniel 2:44-- Rev 16
No mortal can defeat a spirit being. In the ot-- 1 night--185,000 killed by one spirit being.

True........ and this verse in Isaiah indicates that eventually.......
the government of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus must begin to be restored even in
the realms of the fallen angels.


Isaiah 9:7

"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
 
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That's not to include fallen angels or lucifer. That's man. We were created in God own image and likeness, not Angels. ;)

You could be correct...... I don't really know how to nail down a verse like this to merely humans............
if G-d plan to restore wild animals like wolves, lions and serpents........ one would think that G-d also is speaking about other life forms that have became predatory....... such as the children of the Watchers and the daughters of men who became giants.


Isaiah 11:6

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lionand the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."

Isaiah 65:25

"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."
 
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