Should Christians fight against fallen angels.... not each other?

[Vicomte13]

Roman Catholics tend to be the most humble Christians that I know of........
their ancestors being involved in the Spanish Inquisition will tend to produce humility.......

We took a messenger from God, whose revealed messages and charisma produced the impossible against superior forces, and we burnt her alive as a witch after a trial in Rouen. When we Catholics fail, we do so SPECTACULARLY.

 

[he-man]

The scripture posted does not specify fighting against demons or goblins so why would anyone waste their time on that? 1. Principalities are government institutions, municipalities, etc... The state. Not the people 2. Powers are authorities. Actual authorities, not people who claim authority but the basis and principle by which they claim authority when all authority belongs to God. 3. The rulers of darkness of this world are ideologies, philosophies, worldviews, doctrines, etc... 4. Spiritual wickedness in high places would be things like sexual deviance, racism, warmongering, vanity, materialism, callousness, tyranny, and other things at the highest levels in our society. Spiritual warfare is not about hiding yourself in a room, although there is a place for that, it's about confronting the darkness (ignorance and evil) of this world and confronting it head on with the Word of God. Its about being a light to the world and fighting with words to release the souls (people) in spiritual (mental) bondage.
If you believe in demons and goblins you will have dreams and visions about demons and goblins. You should fight against the powers of superstition and paganism that manifest themselves in the doctrines of false prophets. There are real demons and spirits in the world but if you don't even have an accurate definition of what a spirit or demon is in reality, then you'll just be struggling on the sidelines and be aiding and abetting said evil rather than fighting it. I study Demonology, the occult, mysticism, and the like to know my enemy and to spot it's wiles and workings in the world. If you want to move up to combatting things like sorcery and witchcraft you gotta start with the basics. Rick Joyner had a dream or vision but does he even know how to interpret such things? Dreams and visions are "the thoughts of thy heart" according to both Daniel AND modern psychoanalysts.
Zeus is the sky God like the Egyptian Ma'at or the Babylonian Anu. It is what the Bible calls "the firmament". It holds fast the heavenly bodies which are the symbols of influence in high places and most specifically government and religion. In Star Wars, The Force is Zeus while Darth Vader would be a planetary being such as the moon or Mars and the Emperor would be either the Sun or Saturn but George Lucas did not base star wars on Astrology or Astrolatry, it's based more on a mish-mash of popular myths like Hercules and the Babylonian Enuma Elish and even has some Christian and eastern religious themes. Azazel is not Zeus and is not even a close comparison. I haven't read the link but I'm going to check it out now.

The wiles are not demons or devils the wiles are the wicked Ephesians 6:16

 

[Vicomte13]

You didn't quote that becasue it doesn't say that. Forgiving others is the first part of each of those passages. And it is suggested in the verses I showed which actually state they are the foundation of all scripture.

Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Galatians 5:14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Romans 13:8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another
in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.
Matthew 7:12 In everything, then, do to others as you would
have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and
the prophets.

Are you a Jew? The Law STATES IN BLACK AND WHITE that it is FOR the Hebrews - and ONLY for the Hebrews, nobody else. The Prophets refer to the Law, which is exclusively for the Hebrews, and instruct the Hebrews. And Jesus said that not a penstroke of the Law would change until the end of the world - MEANING that the Law of the Hebrews and FOR the Hebrews, exclusively, NEVER extended PAST the Hebrews - for that would be changing the Law, which Jesus said would never happen.

So, Jesus, speaking to Jews - just Jews - he didn't WRITE those words, he SPOKE them, in public, to Jews, just Jews, told them that the essence of THEIR Law and THEIR Prophets was "Love your neighbor as yourself and love God above all."

That's great.

Problem. I'm not a Jew. Which means that the Law and the Prophets never applied to me, in any sense, and never will. All of that Law of Moses, all of those Prophets urging those Hebrews to return to the Law of Moses - for me, these are not laws. Not a jot nor a tittle of that law ever applied to me, and Jesus says they never will.

So, for the Jew struggling to coordinate the revelations TO THE HEBREWS of Moses, and the revelations to the Jews of Jesus, what Jesus says is very important. THEY have to figure out how to take a massive ritual law, Ten Commandments that talk about a Sabbath, a "Chosen People", tribal lineage, all of that two thousand years of prior history, and see it through the lens of their Messiah.

But Jesus isn't the Messiah for ME - I'm not a Jew. That Law and those Prophets did not, and DO not apply to me. He isn't sacrificed on the altar to end MY need to sacrifice lambs on an altar - I'm not a Jew, and God never gave the law of animal sacrifice to me in the first place.

And Jesus said that the Jewish law could never be extended - at all - not a letter of it - past what was written. It SAYS it was for Hebrews only, and it remains for Hebrews, only, until the end of the earth.

So, what Jesus was saying to Jews, to deal with their Law and Prophets, is interesting to them.
It teaches me: Love your neighbor as yourself, and love God above all. But it doesn't drag in the Jewish Law and place me under it. Jesus says I can't EVER BE under it, because the Law can't change, and as written, I'm not under it.

So that is that.

For ME, a Gentile, what is important is following Jesus. I don't have to contend with the Law of Moses - it is totally utterly completely irrelevant to me and my line, from the beginning of time to the end of time.

What Jesus said about charity: that is Law for me.
What Jesus said the sins are: that is Law for me.
What Moses and the Prophets said? Relevant to the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking. Utterly irrelevant to me: God never placed me under that Law, and Jesus said that I'd never BE under it - for the law can never change. Out at the beginning, out until the end of the world.

The law that applies to ME is the list of things Jesus said to do, and in particular the things he said that will fail me final judgment.

Moses revealed a way for Hebrews to be freed from sin, through animal sacrifices, but I'm not a Hebrew, so my people never had those means available to free THEM from sin, and we still don't.

What, then, are we to do? What Jesus said: for God to forgive ME, I have to forgive others. If I forgive a little, I will be forgiven a little. For me to be forgiven everything, I have to forgive everything.

That's it. That's all.

I'm not Jewish, so I don't have to struggle with coordinating Jewish Law with Jesus. It didn't apply to me and still doesn't.

If you're Jewish, then I guess you do have to worry about The Law and the Prophets. I have studied them in depth. Truth is, you end up just having to follow Jesus anyway, but to feel ok about ignoring 90% of the Law as written means that you have to go through the exercise of understanding what the Law and Prophets are ABOUT, and what Jesus has to say there, and a great deal of Paul, is all about squaring that circle.

I wasn't in that circle to begin with, so I don't have to bother with worrying about it. And I don't.

So no, what Jesus says about The Law and the Prophets is not at all the most important thing. That only matters to Jews, nobody else. The rest of us never were under the Law, and those Prophets weren't addressed to us. We DO have to worry about what Jesus said is sin, and what we have to do to be forgiven it - and that is to forgive, just as Jesus said.

THAT is The Law for US.
If you're a Jew also, well, then you've got a lot longer row to hoe, and Jesus and Paul and John gave you very detailed instructions for working that all out.

 

[GUANO]

The wiles are not demons or devils the wiles are the wicked Ephesians 6:16

Hmmm... Not sure what you mean. And I don't recall implying that 'wiles' were demons.

 

[Phantasman]

No they didn't.
They merely acknowledged it, and later (iirc) added some books because they were part of either (i forget..) the septuagint or the masoretic text (both are Old Testament)

Seek (study) more. The church fathers (Tertullian, Irenaeus, etc.) used the OT to influence Gospel thought and the eventual Nicene Creed. Constantine invited 1800 church leaders in which only 300 showed up. Mostly of the church of Rome. The church removed any books that did not agree with their ideology and destroyed all the rest through the power of Rome. The 1500 who had no part in Constantines efforts were either assimilated or exiled, and their books burned.

Arius was only an example of the might of Rome to dictate what was truth. By that time, rich men easily attained heaven and killing enemies became the norm. Not something Jesus taught, as the priests of the church once again gained celestial authority ( as the Pharisee's had) and repaired the veil to allow the priests to have the (supposed) knowledge.

To me, it was the very thing Christ feared in Gethsemane and 1 John spoke of when he said antichrist was among them. They even convinced men to call them father, after Jesus clearly says not to.

Ignorance and error are mighty without spiritual gnosis to reveal it.

Constantine commissioned 50 Bibles. Read about it.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Hieronymus]

Seek (study) more. The church fathers (Tertullian, Irenaeus, etc.) used the OT to influence Gospel thought and the eventual Nicene Creed. Constantine invited 1800 church leaders in which only 300 showed up. Mostly of the church of Rome. The church removed any books that did not agree with their ideology and destroyed all the rest through the power of Rome. The 1500 who had no part in Constantines efforts were either assimilated or exiled, and their books burned.

Arius was only an example of the might of Rome to dictate what was truth. By that time, rich men easily attained heaven and killing enemies became the norm. Not something Jesus taught, as the priests of the church once again gained celestial authority ( as the Pharisee's had) and repaired the veil to allow the priests to have the (supposed) knowledge.

To me, it was the very thing Christ feared in Gethsemane and 1 John spoke of when he said antichrist was among them. They even convinced men to call them father, after Jesus clearly says not to.

Ignorance and error are mighty without spiritual gnosis to reveal it.

Constantine commissioned 50 Bibles. Read about it.

Just my thoughts.

Just what your favourite teachers told you...
The evidence does not support their story though.

 

[Phantasman]

Are you a Jew? The Law STATES IN BLACK AND WHITE that it is FOR the Hebrews - and ONLY for the Hebrews, nobody else. The Prophets refer to the Law, which is exclusively for the Hebrews, and instruct the Hebrews. And Jesus said that not a penstroke of the Law would change until the end of the world - MEANING that the Law of the Hebrews and FOR the Hebrews, exclusively, NEVER extended PAST the Hebrews - for that would be changing the Law, which Jesus said would never happen.

So, Jesus, speaking to Jews - just Jews - he didn't WRITE those words, he SPOKE them, in public, to Jews, just Jews, told them that the essence of THEIR Law and THEIR Prophets was "Love your neighbor as yourself and love God above all."

That's great.

Problem. I'm not a Jew. Which means that the Law and the Prophets never applied to me, in any sense, and never will. All of that Law of Moses, all of those Prophets urging those Hebrews to return to the Law of Moses - for me, these are not laws. Not a jot nor a tittle of that law ever applied to me, and Jesus says they never will.

So, for the Jew struggling to coordinate the revelations TO THE HEBREWS of Moses, and the revelations to the Jews of Jesus, what Jesus says is very important. THEY have to figure out how to take a massive ritual law, Ten Commandments that talk about a Sabbath, a "Chosen People", tribal lineage, all of that two thousand years of prior history, and see it through the lens of their Messiah.

But Jesus isn't the Messiah for ME - I'm not a Jew. That Law and those Prophets did not, and DO not apply to me. He isn't sacrificed on the altar to end MY need to sacrifice lambs on an altar - I'm not a Jew, and God never gave the law of animal sacrifice to me in the first place.

And Jesus said that the Jewish law could never be extended - at all - not a letter of it - past what was written. It SAYS it was for Hebrews only, and it remains for Hebrews, only, until the end of the earth.

So, what Jesus was saying to Jews, to deal with their Law and Prophets, is interesting to them.
It teaches me: Love your neighbor as yourself, and love God above all. But it doesn't drag in the Jewish Law and place me under it. Jesus says I can't EVER BE under it, because the Law can't change, and as written, I'm not under it.

So that is that.

For ME, a Gentile, what is important is following Jesus. I don't have to contend with the Law of Moses - it is totally utterly completely irrelevant to me and my line, from the beginning of time to the end of time.

What Jesus said about charity: that is Law for me.
What Jesus said the sins are: that is Law for me.
What Moses and the Prophets said? Relevant to the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking. Utterly irrelevant to me: God never placed me under that Law, and Jesus said that I'd never BE under it - for the law can never change. Out at the beginning, out until the end of the world.

The law that applies to ME is the list of things Jesus said to do, and in particular the things he said that will fail me final judgment.

Moses revealed a way for Hebrews to be freed from sin, through animal sacrifices, but I'm not a Hebrew, so my people never had those means available to free THEM from sin, and we still don't.

What, then, are we to do? What Jesus said: for God to forgive ME, I have to forgive others. If I forgive a little, I will be forgiven a little. For me to be forgiven everything, I have to forgive everything.

That's it. That's all.

I'm not Jewish, so I don't have to struggle with coordinating Jewish Law with Jesus. It didn't apply to me and still doesn't.

If you're Jewish, then I guess you do have to worry about The Law and the Prophets. I have studied them in depth. Truth is, you end up just having to follow Jesus anyway, but to feel ok about ignoring 90% of the Law as written means that you have to go through the exercise of understanding what the Law and Prophets are ABOUT, and what Jesus has to say there, and a great deal of Paul, is all about squaring that circle.

I wasn't in that circle to begin with, so I don't have to bother with worrying about it. And I don't.

So no, what Jesus says about The Law and the Prophets is not at all the most important thing. That only matters to Jews, nobody else. The rest of us never were under the Law, and those Prophets weren't addressed to us. We DO have to worry about what Jesus said is sin, and what we have to do to be forgiven it - and that is to forgive, just as Jesus said.

THAT is The Law for US.
If you're a Jew also, well, then you've got a lot longer row to hoe, and Jesus and Paul and John gave you very detailed instructions for working that all out.

You speak Truth. I actually dropped the OT as there is nothing in it that saves man. It didn't even save the Jews. Judaism was the Jews religion. Christ turned it inside for all the world. The Jews before Christ was saved by their faith, but only after Jesus appeared to them in Hades (where they slept) and the saints recognized who he was, and were resurrected from the graves, and appeared to many after the crucifixion. Matthew 27:51-53

 

[Phantasman]

Just what your favourite teachers told you...
The evidence does not support their story though.

So be it. I could show you the historical data of it's proof, but I figure if you want to know it, you'll seek it as I did. Bet you don't believe Pope Urban said this to men going to battle either:

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested." Pope Urban II

If you see Jesus saying this, I feel so sorry for you.

Spiritual knowledge rebukes such ignorance.

 

[Vicomte13]

You speak Truth. I actually dropped the OT as there is nothing in it that saves man. It didn't even save the Jews. Judaism was the Jews religion. Christ turned it inside for all the world. The Jews before Christ was saved by their faith, but only after Jesus appeared to them in Hades (where they slept) and the saints recognized who he was, and were resurrected from the graves, and appeared to many after the crucifixion. Matthew 27:51-53

The funny thing about all of it is that if one reads the Torah very carefully, slowly, in detail, one realizes from the very beginning that, after the story of the Tower of Babel and the general genealogy of mankind, the story turns to Abraham and his family line, and then refocuses on the Hebrews coming out of Egypt (not all of whom are descended from Abraham - a great multitude of other slaves came out of Egypt along with the descendants of Jacob, but all who passed through the Red Sea and who heard God at Sinai were the Hebrews, of whom the lineal descendants of Jacob, Isaac and Abraham were some.)

When God speaks to Abraham - over and over - there is very little to the promise, other than the relentless tattoo that the promise is to Abraham and his heirs. The same relentless tattoo is beaten for Hebrews in the Sinai. Law is given, explicitly TO THEM, and it addresses THEIR needs and situation, and what God demands of THEM, in THEIR bloodline.

God is giving them Israel, with fixed boundaries, not the world. The Law he gives is for everybody in those boundaries. He didn't command that every descendant of the Hebrews in the world make the three annual pilgrimages. Why not? Because the only thing God really promised them was a secure farm IN Israel. So, God envisioned that all of the Hebrews would be living IN ISRAEL, and what he promises really only benefits them, or applies to them.

Notably absent from the Law is any reference at all to a reward of eternal life, or afterlife. The Hebrews were not promised Heaven for obedience to the Law of Moses, or Hell for disobedience. Heaven and Hell are not the rewards or punishments offered or threatened by YHWH to the Hebrews. The only thing on offer is a secure farm in Israel, or loss of the farm and being driven out into the world.

It is only with Jesus that a promise of an afterlife, for all mankind, is directly revealed. The New Covenant is not with a nation, but with individuals, and it isn't for a farm, but for the promise of life after death with God.

The covenants are very different, the laws are very different, and who they apply to matters a great deal.

Christians who focus on the Scriptures spend a lot of time lost in the weeds of Judaism, because they fail to understand a series of things:

(1) Jesus didn't write the Gospels. He spoke in public, to Jews. We have the record of his public and private speeches to Jews, and only one encounter with a Samaritan woman, and one with a Syro-Phonoecian woman (to whom he refers to obliquely as one of the "dogs"). He was talking to Jews, and using Jewish imagery and referring to Jewish laws and traditions. He was talking to his own people, out loud, in their language with their customs, not writing a book for outsiders. What he said was written down by others, and misinterpreted by them.

(2) "The Law" means the Jewish Law, which is a convenant between the people at Sinai and YHWH. It tells you on its face to whom it applies, and what the rewards are. Many Christians equate "The Law" with "law" as a general principle, and speak as thought Christians are not under law. This is nonsense. They quote Paul as saying that. Paul said that people are no longer under The Torah - those laws, for Hebrews, written in the books of Genesis through Deuteronomy. He did not say that people were no longer subject to law, generically, or to laws of God. "The Law" is a specific term referring to the Law of Moses, not to law generically.

(3) Gentiles were never under The Law in the first place, so Jesus did not free THEM from it. He freed the Hebrews from it - in ways that are quite complicated.

Complicated and irrelevant to anybody who isn't a Jew.

Trouble is, most of what Paul, James and John were arguing about in their letters was addressed to Jews and Jewish issues regarding Christianity. They were not addressing Gentiles. So, when a Gentile reads Paul talking about "The Law", he may as well skip the whole section, because Paul isn't saying anything about anything that applies to him.

Most particularly - and painfully perhaps - the business about Jesus being the Lamb of God, the perfect unblemished sacrifice - works to take away the sins of the world in a Hebrew context, but God never gave animal sacrifices to the Gentiles at all, so while Jesus benefits us too, his fulfilling the Hebrew Law is not of concern to us. We were not under it in the first place. Blood sacrifices on the altar didn't do anything for us. They weren't FOR us.

For Gentiles, the entire issue is doing what Jesus said. The notion of substitutional sacrifice is utterly irrelevant to Gentiles, because we were never given a law of sacrifice in the first place.

THIS is why Paul is really confusing to many well-meaning Christians. He's a Jewish lawyer, a Pharisee, with a head full of arcane and difficult Jewish legal issues that he works out in writing to Jews. But he's also teaching Gentiles. So he's speaking to two audiences. It's really easy to take all of the stuff that applies to Jews and the Jewish law and to think: Well, it's in the Scripture, so therefore this applies to us too. But that is a failure to read the Law itself, because it TELLS US to whom it applies, and that's not us.

We have enough to do with the Law that Jesus gave us. HE is the only one about whom God told Gentiles: "Listen to HIM." God never told US to listen to Moses.

 

[Vicomte13]

So be it. I could show you the historical data of it's proof, but I figure if you want to know it, you'll seek it as I did. Bet you don't believe Pope Urban said this to men going to battle either:

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested." Pope Urban II

If you see Jesus saying this, I feel so sorry for you.

Spiritual knowledge rebukes such ignorance.

I can certainly see why Urban and the soldiers believed that to be so, and why it was probably true under those circumstances.

 

[One Of The Elect]

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!




(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):



I go into a theory here that we may be living in the time period when the kingdom of Satan is divided..... and it falls:

Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???

Matthew 12: 24-26 .But when the Pharisees heard it they said, " It is only by Beelzebul , the prince of demons, that this man cast out demons." Knowing their thoughts, He said to them " Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? Satan's kingdom is not divided against itself. Its falling has nothing to do with division but of judgement rendered by God to destroy evil at the appointed time. The kingdoms of men can be divided, due to warring fraction of different ideologies. This leads to one fraction taking over at some point or the imploding of the kingdom.
It is simple for heaven and hell though - it is Good (Heaven) Bad(Hell) light or darkness, truth or lie.

You should probably not read into Star Wars that much either, the creator of it is not making a movie concerning the doctrine of scripture, but, mans precepts. That in itself is a divided . The movie has no clear Christian guidance.

The name use against demons is the name of our Savior Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ through whom our hope is in and comes from. God Bless.

 

[DennisTate]

Matthew 12: 24-26 .But when the Pharisees heard it they said, " It is only by Beelzebul , the prince of demons, that this man cast out demons." Knowing their thoughts, He said to them " Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? Satan's kingdom is not divided against itself. Its falling has nothing to do with division but of judgement rendered by God to destroy evil at the appointed time. The kingdoms of men can be divided, due to warring fraction of different ideologies. This leads to one fraction taking over at some point or the imploding of the kingdom.
It is simple for heaven and hell though - it is Good (Heaven) Bad(Hell) light or darkness, truth or lie.

You should probably not read into Star Wars that much either, the creator of it is not making a movie concerning the doctrine of scripture, but, mans precepts. That in itself is a divided . The move has no clear Christian guidance.

The name use against demons is the name of our Savior Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ through whom our hope is in and comes from. God Bless.

True... but perhaps even the Pharisees suspected that because the name "Azazel" was mentioned in Leviticus 16:10 in the original Hebrew that the time would come when Satan's kingdom would be divided.

Demons would have to ask themselves if perhaps Lucifer / The Emperor of Star Wars fame .... might actually be thinking something like Stanley Milgram Ph. D?


Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience; the experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of people were prepared to obey, albeit unwillingly, even if apparently causing serious injury and distress. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology[1]and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, in the basement of Linsly-Chittenden Hall at Yale University,[3] three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the popular question at that particular time: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[4] The experiments have been repeated many times in the following years with consistent results within differing societies, although not with the same percentages around the globe.[5]

 

[DennisTate]

We took a messenger from God, whose revealed messages and charisma produced the impossible against superior forces, and we burnt her alive as a witch after a trial in Rouen. When we Catholics fail, we do so SPECTACULARLY.

And when you repent.......
.... you do so with a level of humility and zeal......
that reminds me of the Apostle Paul..... or King David.

Prophet Kim Clement predicted that the Holy Spirit would be poured out on the Roman Catholic Church..... your tendency to be so humble will be a major reason for this occurring.

 

[One Of The Elect]

True... but perhaps even the Pharisees suspected that because the name "Azazel" was mentioned in Leviticus 16:10 in the original Hebrew that the time would come when Satan's kingdom would be divided.

Demons would have to ask themselves if perhaps Lucifer / The Emperor of Star Wars fame .... might actually be thinking something like Stanley Milgram Ph. D?


Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

What are you saying exactly concerning Lucifer and the ones cast out with him , and the Watchers, Or about God? Please clarify ?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."


Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven given to him back in 1995 states that arrows with the name HOPE on them would be the ones that would work against the demons!




(Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest):



I go into a theory here that we may be living in the time period when the kingdom of Satan is divided..... and it falls:

Does Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???

I read this book years ago and shared it with a lot of friends. This book showed me how ill equipped, trained and ignorant Christians can be concerning how the enemy works in our lives. I believe that Michael and Gabriel will lead an army of angels against the fallen angels now known as demons. I do not believe God wants us to fight them but rather command them...take authority over them. We will judge angels someday but my battles are all already won and Jesus is the KING! AMEN!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Ive upset many, many Christians talking about the Book of Enoch. 1 Enoch 1:9 is quoted in the book Jude, and it was in circulation in churches in the original Christian church for centuries... And Enoch is still part of the Ethiopian Bible today. Theres something about the Book of Enoch that seems to trigger doubtful, often hateful, responses from Christians.

I just watched a youtube video on the Book of Enoch and it fascinated me that this one book alone contained every topic in the bible from beginning to end. So what I concluded from this book is that it was perhaps too complicated and needed further examination? But that was just my thoughts on why it was rejected by King James.

 

[WilliamBo]

I just watched a youtube video on the Book of Enoch and it fascinated me that this one book alone contained every topic in the bible from beginning to end. So what I concluded from this book is that it was perhaps too complicated and needed further examination? But that was just my thoughts on why it was rejected by King James.

It was rejected because it clearly portrays demonic activity and the origin of sin so crystal clear that it scares demons... It talks about their final judgment and even has their names. Ive always seen the Book of Enoch as that one extra book to the Bible that is "special", that only hardcore truth-seekers will appreciate

 

[DennisTate]

What are you saying exactly concerning Lucifer and the ones cast out with him , and the Watchers, Or about God? Please clarify ?

Basically.... I am wondering if perhaps there is some sort of metaphorical Yom Kippur event of the latter days.......... that may be similar to the Passover event of the year 30 - 33 C. E. where Messiah Yeshua - Jesus took the guilt of the repentant descendants of Abraham, (literally and figuratively)...... so the latter day death, then 3.5 days laying in the street of Jerusalem for the two witnesses...... and / or the death of the final Elijah and somebody with him like Bar Abbas / Bar Abbas may, have something to do with the restoration of fallen Watchers who really want to repent....... and change............

...... this is just a theory.........

.... I could be wrong.... but I have been wondering about this on some level or another since not too many years after I began to fast on Yom Kippur with the Worldwide Church of God............

The seven weeks from Passover to Pentecost / Festival of Firstfruits.......
seems to be a type of the harvest of the church age.......
but then the fall Jewish festivals seem to be millennial..... Era of Moshiach......

.... and they seem to take the plan of G-d up to a whole new level......

John 16:25

“I have spoken of these matters in figures of speech, but soon I will stop speaking figuratively and will tell you plainly all about the Father."


Jhn 7:37

¶
On the last day, the climax of the festival, Jesus stood and shouted to the crowds, “Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!

Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’”

 

[Heart2Soul]

It was rejected because it clearly portrays demonic activity and the origin of sin so crystal clear that it scares demons... It talks about their final judgment and even has their names. Ive always seen the Book of Enoch as that one extra book to the Bible that is "special", that only hardcore truth-seekers will appreciate

Well there aren't many who will seek the hidden wisdom of God, they are stuck in a religion based on doctrines and to be a member you have to believe in their doctrines. But I have always been hungry and search constantly for that hidden wisdom of God. In the video I watched, it talked how the angels came and taught mankind some of the supernatural things giving them power to operate in the spiritual things. I have a lot of questions about angels. Why will we judge them? the bible says we will judge angels. but Enoch is a fascinating book to look into. My spirit and the Holy Spirit in me helps me to rightly divide the truth.

 

[Phantasman]

I can certainly see why Urban and the soldiers believed that to be so, and why it was probably true under those circumstances.

Then you also see why the catholic theology came up with the "death sentence" for those who didn't follow their theology.

The first known usage of the term in a legal context was in AD 380 by the Edict of Thessalonica of Theodosius I,[15] which made Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire. Prior to the issuance of this edict, the Church had no state-sponsored support for any particular legal mechanism to counter what it perceived as "heresy". By this edict the state's authority and that of the Church became somewhat overlapping. One of the outcomes of this blurring of Church and state was the sharing of state powers of legal enforcement with church authorities. This reinforcement of the Church's authority gave church leaders the power to, in effect, pronounce the death sentence upon those whom the church considered heretical.- Wiki