Saved based on God's foreknowledge or God's random choice?

[BNR32FAN]

No, the truth falls on deaf ears unless first born again.

Born again before hearing the gospel? How does one believe and repent if they are ignorant of the gospel?

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, the truth falls on deaf ears unless first born again.

How do people fall from grace?

 

[Dave L]

How do people fall from grace?

“For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.” (1 John 5:4)

 

[Loren T.]

No, the truth falls on deaf ears unless first born again.

So, why preach it, if only already saved people can accept it? Makes no sense. The gospel is not for the saved, it's for sinners.

 

[Dave L]

Born again before hearing the gospel? How does one believe and repent if they are ignorant of the gospel?

You cannot have biblical faith unless first born again. Faith = fruit of the Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

“For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.” (1 John 5:4)

Yes but your understanding is backwards. Everyone who overcomes the world and is victorious enduring to the end is a child of God.

 

[Dave L]

So, why preach it, if only already saved people can accept it? Makes no sense. The gospel is not for the saved, it's for sinners.

The gospel saves us from the perils of sin we might remain ignorant of otherwise.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You cannot have biblical faith unless first born again. Faith = fruit of the Spirit.

Being born again is repentance. A person cannot turn to Christ if they do not know who He is.

 

[Dave L]

Yes but your understanding is backwards. Everyone who overcomes the world and is victorious enduring to the end is a child of God.

If all who are born again overcome, they will not apostatize.

 

[Dave L]

Being born again is repentance. A person cannot turn to God if they do not know who Jesus is.

Being born again results in repentance and holiness. You cannot discern the true Christ unless first born again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If all who are born again overcome, they will not apostatize.

Then why did Jesus say in John 15:1-10 remain in Me and I will remain in you. Anyone who does not remain in Me will be detached from Jesus, cast away, and thrown into the fire to be burned?

 

[Dave L]

Then why did Jesus say in John 15:1-10 remain in Me and I will remain in you. Anyone who does not remain in Me will be detached from Jesus, cast away, and thrown into the fire to be burned?

“And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.” (John 6:65–66)

 

[BNR32FAN]

Being born again results in repentance and holiness. You cannot discern the true Christ unless first born again.

That doesn’t answer the question How can someone turn to Christ if they don’t know who He is? They must first hear the gospel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

“And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.” (John 6:65–66)

Who was Jesus speaking to in John 15?

 

[Dave L]

Who was Jesus speaking to in John 15?

Obviously quite a few of his followers.

 

[Dave L]

That doesn’t answer the question How can someone turn to Christ if they don’t know who He is? They must first hear the gospel.

This is why we preach the gospel far and wide. Those with ears to hear will hear and respond.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Obviously quite a few of his followers.

No actually Jesus was speaking only to His 11 faithful apostles while on the way to the olive grove at Gethsemane excluding Judas who had already gone to betray Him.

 

[Dave L]

No actually Jesus was speaking only to His 11 faithful apostles while on the way to the olive grove at Gethsemane excluding Judas who had already gone to betray Him.

Why did so many no longer walk with him in hearing what he said?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Obviously quite a few of his followers.

So why did Jesus say to His 11 faithful apostles remain in Me if they cannot turn away from Him?

 

[Call me Nic]

“And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.” (John 6:65–66)

Romans 10:17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Faith is indeed a fruit of the Spirit, but faith comes by hearing the Word of God, otherwise Paul is a liar according to you.

According to your logic, a person can have neither love, nor joy, nor gentleness, nor meekness, nor temperance if they weren't first born of God, because all of those are fruits of the Spirit alongside faith. Yet we know that unbelievers hold those traits.

However, it is indeed true that once we are saved, once sealed with Spirit (Ephesians 1:13) after hearing and trusting the gospel of Christ, we continue to grow in faith.

It is indisputable that according to Romans 10:14 that those who haven't heard the word of God cannot believe. And those who believe, who receive Christ, are the only ones that become born of God (John 1:12-13).

Your argument makes no sense, ever, and yet you continue to strive against everyone pridefully.