Sabbath?

[PROPHECYKID]

I am born again according to the premise of the New Creation

so the old creation has no hold on me .

Additionally, the first angels message in Revelation 14 tells us to worship God who created, the heaven and earth, sea and fountains of waters. This phrase is borrowed directly from the Sabbath commandment. But your statement implies that none of this is important to you.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Your response is way of. By old creation you must then have to refer to the creation of the world. The world was created in a perfect state. You then have no point. The old creature which is replaced in the new birth is your old sinful, fleshy nature which came as a result of the corruption of God's perfect creation as a result of man's disobedience. The point that was made that the Sabbath commandment identifies God as the creator of this world and contains the elements of a seal. If your response is serious, you will then be saying that the title, authority and territory of God has no meaning or importance to you.

Additionally, the first angels message in Revelation 14 tells us to worship God who created, the heaven and earth, sea and fountains of waters. This phrase is borrowed directly from the Sabbath commandment. But your statement implies that none of this is important to you.

I will worship God who created . but i will forget what is behind . and strive forward for the prize that God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus .

this world is not my home .

 

[Bananna]

How do i say this ..

The penalty paid was nailed to the cross yes. So that you are now free to obey out of love rather than fear of consequences.

But isn't it like nailing Christ repeately to the cross when the dog returns to his vomit?

We are saved from lawlessness to be ...
lawful abiding children of God who walk not according to the flesh but according to the spirit. The spirit is always law abiding, for God cannot break law. Nor can anything he does change. Nor can anything be added to it. It was all done from the foundation of the world.
bananna

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The penalty paid was nailed to the cross yes. So that you are now free to obey out of love rather than fear of consequences.

But isn't it like nailing Christ repeately to the cross when the dog returns to his vomit?

We are saved from lawlessness to be ...
lawful abiding children of God who walk not according to the flesh but according to the spirit. The spirit is always law abiding, for God cannot break law. Nor can anything he does change. Nor can anything be added to it. It was all done from the foundation of the world.
bananna

The written code was cancelled . Nailed to the cross . we need to look at the "perfect law of liberty" not the Mosaic .

 

[Bananna]

Ecc 3:14I know that whatever God does endures for ever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has made it so, in order that men should fear before him.

Ecc 3:15That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.

Seriously Michael,
you think Yeshua came to do away with God's scriptures?

he didn't think so

Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[from scratch]

Additionally, the first angels message in Revelation 14 tells us to worship God who created, the heaven and earth, sea and fountains of waters. This phrase is borrowed directly from the Sabbath commandment. But your statement implies that none of this is important to you.

I don't think so. It appears to me that you have just accused him of worshipping something other than God the Father of Jesus. He worships the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Rev 14 doesn't tell us to worship on Saturday.

 

[from scratch]

Can we find God's seal on His Law? It must contain His Title, His Authority, and His Territory...


Remember the Sabbath, .... For in six days God [TITLE] created [AUTHORITY] heaven and earth and all that is in it [TERRITORY]

Now what would the accuser who wants to dethrone God go after? what would the lawless/antichrist try to remove from God's law? In order to unseat so that he can sit on the throne of god, and declare that he is god, he must show that they bow down and worship him and have his mark of authority and show evidence of his territory.

The Christian is sealed with the Spirit - Eph 1;13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, and 4:30: And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The sabbath does not play any part of the requirements of the Christian.

 

[Bananna]

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/5

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/6

Isa 56:6¶Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/7

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

I'm going to point out that it is Sabbaths, as in Appointed Times we are to meet with God, to congregate. Certain promises are for those that choose to obey.

 

[Bananna]

The Christian is sealed with the Spirit - Eph 1;13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, and 4:30: And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The sabbath does not play any part of the requirements of the Christian.

Tell me how does it not grieve the Holy Spirit when we don't meet with him at his appointed hour or day in His appointed manner and ways?

Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[from scratch]

Here again you indicate that Jesus is not God. You believe that Jesus issued the ten commandments. Not so! I challenge you to prove that Jesus issued the ten commandments. I trust you are reading all the posts in this thread.

The above words belong to me.

So love does not fulfill the 10 commandments? Can you tell me what about the 10 commandments is so bad? The reality of the situation is that regardless of what you say, you strive to at least keep 9 of them. You won't want to have other gods or make images. You will try not to take his name in vain. You strive to respect your parents. You try your best not to kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, or covet. The only problem that you and everyone else has is the Sabbath. So this is the strategy used. "Prove that the law is abolished, but the spirit of the new covenant will cause us to automatically keep those 9" or "Prove that the law is no more, but Jesus recommanded 9 of the 10 to be kept" or simple "Just prove the law is abolished, but still keep 9".

To answer your first draw, Yes. On your second draw you ask me what is so bad about the 10 commandments. And I ask where have I so stated? I do not strive to keepany of the commandments of the OC. I have or exhibit the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, 23 against which there is no law. The behavior listed in the 3 verses is that of the flesh which the 10 commandments address. The law is made for the ungodly, not the righteous I Tim 1:9, 10. Following the leading of the Spirit is very easy and kinda like auto pilot. It is just like Jesus said in Mat 11:28-30. His yoke is easy, His burdens are light and I have rest for my soul. I don't have to wonder or worry about whether or not if I am sinning.

None of those can be truthfully proved. Lets be real. There is absolutely nothing wrong to most people with 9 out of the 10 commandments. When I hear the disregard and mockery people give to God's holy 10 commandments it is do disappointing.

I will say this a final time as a response to you. The command to love your neighbour is a summary of 6 out of 10 commandments. Love for neighbour cannot stand unless there is love for God. Love for God is a summary of the first 4 commandments. On these 2 laws hang all the law and the prophets therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I don't get you at all. Are you reading anything I say? If so you are simply dismissing it. Have you not read the NT? I wonder how you can pass over such things as not under the law (2 verses in a row), we are delivered from the law, Christ is the end of the law and throw out the law. How in tar nation are we subject to the law? You really love trying to sneak in the back door. I ask again where is the scripture that states Christians are obligated to the law? You have no clue what the NC is.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Ecc 3:14I know that whatever God does endures for ever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has made it so, in order that men should fear before him.

Ecc 3:15That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.

Seriously Michael,
you think Yeshua came to do away with God's scriptures?

he didn't think so

Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus said on the cross .

It is finished .

the law is fulfilled . every jot and tittle .

it's done .

 

[from scratch]

The accuser charges based on your violation of the law. The accuser charges you against your sin. But God's grace covers sins. Therefore because grace has covered your sins, do you continue to sin? Do you still trangress the law because of grace? God forbid!

A slave to sin is not one who keeps the law. A slave to sin is one who keeps breaking it. God's gives his spirit to have victory over sin. God's remedy is not to remove the law so we cannot sin, but instead to give us his spirit so by his strength we can have the victory over sin.

You don't understand the NC. John 8:1-11 is a great example of the NC.

 

[from scratch]

Your response is way of. By old creation you must then have to refer to the creation of the world. The world was created in a perfect state. You then have no point. The old creature which is replaced in the new birth is your old sinful, fleshy nature which came as a result of the corruption of God's perfect creation as a result of man's disobedience. The point that was made that the Sabbath commandment identifies God as the creator of this world and contains the elements of a seal. If your response is serious, you will then be saying that the title, authority and territory of God has no meaning or importance to you.

Nope, he is referring to the old man and the new born again man.

 

[from scratch]

The penalty paid was nailed to the cross yes. So that you are now free to obey out of love rather than fear of consequences.

Yep. I wonder tho how you can now obey from love and you could not obey from fear. Makes no sense to me.

But isn't it like nailing Christ repeately to the cross when the dog returns to his vomit?

You mean the law. Above you just said you were delivered form the law and now return to it. Uncle!

We are saved from lawlessness to be ...
lawful abiding children of God who walk not according to the flesh but according to the spirit. The spirit is always law abiding, for God cannot break law. Nor can anything he does change. Nor can anything be added to it. It was all done from the foundation of the world.
bananna

I almost agreed with your above statement. If you read straight through the Bible you will see a progression. Precept upon precept Isa 28:10 with a reason given in v 13. I suppose that you have a problem with Jer 31:31-34, testified by Jesus (God) to be in effect and demonstrated by Him in John 8:1-11.

 

[from scratch]

The written code was cancelled . Nailed to the cross . we need to look at the "perfect law of liberty" not the Mosaic .

You mean we can have liberty? Surely you jest. Naw really they just flat turn it down in favor of bondage. Makes one wonder.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You mean we can have liberty? Surely you jest. Naw really they just flat turn it down in favor of bondage. Makes one wonder.

Bondage you say?

i guess everyone has their fetishes ..

 

[from scratch]

Ecc 3:14I know that whatever God does endures for ever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has made it so, in order that men should fear before him.

Ecc 3:15That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.

Seriously Michael,
you think Yeshua came to do away with God's scriptures?

he didn't think so

Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I counter with Luke 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

 

[from scratch]

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isa 56:6¶Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

I'm going to point out that it is Sabbaths, as in Appointed Times we are to meet with God, to congregate. Certain promises are for those that choose to obey.

And I am going to counter with the NC promised in Jer 31:31-34 and testified to be in existence by Jesus (Yeshua) in Mat 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[from scratch]

Tell me how does it not grieve the Holy Spirit when we don't meet with him at his appointed hour or day in His appointed manner and ways?

Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I guess that you have not read Hosea 2:11 - I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

The Tanach, Stone ed uses the word terminate in place of cease. And the Tanak uses the word end.

All three translations agree together and with Jer 31:31-34.

 

[from scratch]

Bondage you say?

i guess everyone has their fetishes ..

Yeppers and I dearly love my liberty which came at a very great cost.