Sabbath?

[Bananna]

How so? The same author John the Revelator also wrote this:

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. I John 3:23

He also wrote this:

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Both of which identify Jesus' commandments are not the ones mentioned in the OT.

So you don't believe Yeshua gave Torah at sinai? Is he not God?
bananna

 

[Bananna]

All you gotta do is read the repetition of the "let no one". Clear emphatic scriptures here, clear directives, that need no "special insight".


4 I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments.


8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.


16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath

18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, [4] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind

Yep I'm free to keep God's word according to Christ and no one can pass judgement on me for it.
Bananna

 

[Frogster]

Yep I'm free to keep God's word according to Christ and no one can pass judgement on me for it.
Bananna

Another member just said "yep" on the previous page.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So you don't believe Yeshua gave Torah at sinai? Is he not God?
bananna

How do i say this ..

 

[PROPHECYKID]

How so? The same author John the Revelator also wrote this:

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. I John 3:23

He also wrote this:

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Both of which identify Jesus' commandments are not the ones mentioned in the OT.

Again you are wrong. John also says that this is no new commandments but one we had since the beginning. The command to love your neighbor is in the OT as well. In order to love your neighbor you must love God. The 10 commandments demonstrates love for God and for your neighbor and that cannot be disproved.

 

[7steps]

So what is the your purpose for being here? Why are you complaining about the lenght of time it took you to write a post? I have spent 8 hours on a single post and never complained or stated how long it took me. I also do other sites.

I am here because I love God (JHWH) and the truth. I despise false teaching with a vengeance from the heart. I recognize that heresy is a requirement in a healthy church. Otherwise the truth will not be heard.

Look if you do not want to hear both sides of the coin you are at the wrong place. I am not here to argue with you or because I have nothing else to do. Your ideas are counter to Christianity (at least NC Christianity as if there were such a thing as OC Christianity) in my opinion and you have offered nothing to support your ideas in this forum except 10,000 pages of stuff you want me to read so I will be like you. The Bible isn't even near that long. You bring your nuggets here and folks will examine them.

Now let me ask what wouild you have done if I offered my opinion first? You would have argued against them. Or would you have said nothing?

You did offer your opinion first. I saw them and I was not interested. I am here because from time to time I read peoples post to see what the two sides of the coin are the funny thing is that I am pretty capable of thinking for myself and I don't need you to think for me or to have a discussion in something I already have had a conversation with YHWH about and have resolved it through scripture. And since I am not interested in converting you to my point of view I did not answer any of your post. But I thank you for seeing how lost I was in my thinking and answering my post. What is so false about the questions I asked?


I have already heard both sides of the coin. You argue without knowing what my ideas are. I posed questions that would help people understand what the purpose of the sabbath was. Instead of the knee jerk reaction you have because your teachings are true. When you read scripture don't you ask yourself questions like why. It's seems you don't. I still don't know what was so false about the questions I posted.
I also don't agree with everything on the 10,000 pages that you have a problem reading and that I don't want to post snippet after snippet. I doubt that you will be like me after reading it so look at the other side of the coin. Most people on this forum already think like you. And I don't think that your incredible powers of deduction converted the guy from his "false teachings of SDA" to the TRUTH that you tough him. Those darn SDAaers. It reminds me of the joke about the guy that goes to heaven and as they are giving him the tour they pass a room and the tour guide says to the guy. "SHHH. they think that they are the only ones here.

It's not so much the time that I spend but the futility of it. Why would I want to waste time repeating things that are already answered when I did not start the argument. If I wanted to start the argument I would have answered one of your post. I already understand your basic point of view from reading your other post and they are not new to me. I have already seen your side of the coin, most of what is on this forum is your side of the coin how could I miss it. It must be my lack of discernment to see the truth. Just because I refuse to engage with you on a topic I am not interested in discussing because it has been hashed and rehashed and hashed again on this forum does not mean I did not see the other side of the coin. I did not post to argue with you on your point. It seems like you are the one that does not want to see the other side of the coin actually the other side of the coin seems to irritate you because you believe your side is the only right side. But you go ahead keep on converting people to your, I mean the Truth.
My purpose was to answer the person I quoted on my initial post. If it was useful fine if not that is ok too.Your implication that I am a false teacher and that I don't love the truth or YHWH is amazing. I am glad you can make that kind of judgement from the post I made hopefully God will use you to judge mankind because you have incredible discernment. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to let me into heaven. And what does the bible not being that long have to do with anything? This is futile too. So if you post a reply I will not be posting a reply back.

My answer to one of the question that you are so afraid to answer because it might mean that you would have to view the sabbath and that would mean that you are turning away from Jesus and not trusting him. The reason he did not want us to work on the Sabbath was because the Sabbath was a representation of our rest in Him of the millennial Sabbath a representation of the fact that there is nothing we can do for our salvation. YHWH did all the work with Yahshua. He did it all and we have to trust and rely on his unmerited mercy and favor. But of course it is my opinion because it does not say that it is just metaphorical. In reality god arbitrarily piked the 7th day and told them not to work or kindle a fire because he wanted to enslave the Jewish people with rules he had no other reason but to make the Jewish people rest on that day because he told them too and he wanted to see if they would obey him or not and when Yahshua came the meaning was not important anymore.

 

[from scratch]

So you don't believe Yeshua gave Torah at sinai? Is he not God?
bananna

That would be correct. I believe it was God the Father that gave the ten commandments.

It is correct the Jesus is God - God the Son. All thing considered I highly suspect you have dificulty with the doctrine of the Trinity.

Moses was told that no man can see Him (God) and live - Ex 33:20: And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Thousands have seen Jesus and lived. So is the Scritpure correct in Ex 33:20? Did Moses lie?

You have done what the anti-trinitarians do. You say that Yeshua aka Jesus is God and when the word God is used it means Jesus. Nope that is incorrect. For starters we can see that God said Let us make .... My next favorite is Gen 3:15 where the first promise of redemption talks about the Seed. The Seed is not the Speaker in this verse. I am strong on the Trinity.

 

[from scratch]

How do i say this ..

Very nice picture and depiction of what has occured.

 

[from scratch]

Again you are wrong. John also says that this is no new commandments but one we had since the beginning. The command to love your neighbor is in the OT as well. In order to love your neighbor you must love God. The 10 commandments demonstrates love for God and for your neighbor and that cannot be disproved.

So give me a detailed explaination of the verses I quoted. So far all you have done is dismiss with denial.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

So give me a detailed explaination of the verses I quoted. So far all you have done is dismiss with denial.

What I am showing you is that in the very command to love your neighbor is the 10 commandments. The bible clearly shows that the last 6 commandments demonstrate love for fellow men.


Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

But in order to love fellow man, you men you must love God. The love of God is demonstrated by the first 4 commandments. I don't know if I am mistaken, but if you have no other gods besides the true God, respect his divinity by not making graven images, ensure you do not take his name in vain and respect his holy time, isn't that demonstrating love to him?

But here is the argument that I believe you are making. Correct me if I am wrong here. You are saying that the commandments of Jesus are different to the commandments of God. The text you quoted says if we keep his commandments we abide in his love as he kept his fathers commandments and abided in his love. You are making an argument that abiding in the love of Jesus therefore does not require us to keep the commandments of God but the commandments of Jesus. Why would the commandments of Jesus overshadow or contradict the commandments of God. Why is it an either or. The same book shows that both commandments are inclusive of one another. If you love Jesus you will keep the commandments of God the same as Jesus did.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So the text says that whoever loves Jesus also loves God, and we know we love God when we keep the commandments of God and his commandments are not grievous or not a burden. That makes the case. So to say that we keep the commandments of Jesus instead of the commandments of God is not a reality because indeed they are the same.

 

[from scratch]

You did offer your opinion first. I saw them and I was not interested. I am here because from time to time I read peoples post to see what the two sides of the coin are the funny thing is that I am pretty capable of thinking for myself and I don't need you to think for me or to have a discussion in something I already have had a conversation with YHWH about and have resolved it through scripture. And since I am not interested in converting you to my point of view I did not answer any of your post. But I thank you for seeing how lost I was in my thinking and answering my post. What is so false about the questions I asked?


I have already heard both sides of the coin. You argue without knowing what my ideas are. I posed questions that would help people understand what the purpose of the sabbath was. Instead of the knee jerk reaction you have because your teachings are true. When you read scripture don't you ask yourself questions like why. It's seems you don't. I still don't know what was so false about the questions I posted.

Your ideas are pro law. What else do I need to understand? What the law is? Or how one is justified? Which has nothing to do with the law, BTW. Which covenant are active? The covenants with Noah, Abraham and the new covenant for the believer. The law (covenant with Isreal) is for the ungodly, not the righteous - I Tim 1:9,10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Now we get into another subject concerning righteousness. Does yours exceed that of the scribes and pharisees, as Jesus said it would have to be? Nope, our righteousness is like filty rags Isa 64:6 (another OT scripture just for you).

I also don't agree with everything on the 10,000 pages that you have a problem reading and that I don't want to post snippet after snippet. I doubt that you will be like me after reading it so look at the other side of the coin. Most people on this forum already think like you. And I don't think that your incredible powers of deduction converted the guy from his "false teachings of SDA" to the TRUTH that you tough him. Those darn SDAaers. It reminds me of the joke about the guy that goes to heaven and as they are giving him the tour they pass a room and the tour guide says to the guy. "SHHH. they think that they are the only ones here.

I seek to convert no one and especially Christians. I told you that I detest heresy. You are promoting that you and your view alone are correct and that I am wrong. And your are attempting to do it without scripture and by opinion. Why sould I go fish for your truths (beliefs) in those 10,000 pages.

It's not so much the time that I spend but the futility of it. Why would I want to waste time repeating things that are already answered when I did not start the argument. If I wanted to start the argument I would have answered one of your post. I already understand your basic point of view from reading your other post and they are not new to me. I have already seen your side of the coin, most of what is on this forum is your side of the coin how could I miss it. It must be my lack of discernment to see the truth. Just because I refuse to engage with you on a topic I am not interested in discussing because it has been hashed and rehashed and hashed again on this forum does not mean I did not see the other side of the coin. I did not post to argue with you on your point. It seems like you are the one that does not want to see the other side of the coin actually the other side of the coin seems to irritate you because you believe your side is the only right side. But you go ahead keep on converting people to your, I mean the Truth.

If I was upset that my work here was futile, I would go somewhere else that I thought I could do good or be of use, if it were me. The above says you have no point or that it is pointless to discuss. Why then are you coming back?

My purpose was to answer the person I quoted on my initial post. If it was useful fine if not that is ok too.Your implication that I am a false teacher and that I don't love the truth or YHWH is amazing. I am glad you can make that kind of judgement from the post I made hopefully God will use you to judge mankind because you have incredible discernment. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to let me into heaven. And what does the bible not being that long have to do with anything? This is futile too. So if you post a reply I will not be posting a reply back.

So my guess is that you think I am in error aka a false teacher. When you say something the reverse or negative statement is also true. I am or seem to be the reverse I am speaking about here. I have nothing to do with your getting into heaven. I will try to show you the Way, the Truth and the Life. You can get into heaven if and only if your name is written in the Book of Life.

My answer to one of the question that you are so afraid to answer because it might mean that you would have to view the sabbath and that would mean that you are turning away from Jesus and not trusting him. The reason he did not want us to work on the Sabbath was because the Sabbath was a representation of our rest in Him of the millennial Sabbath a representation of the fact that there is nothing we can do for our salvation. YHWH did all the work with Yahshua. He did it all and we have to trust and rely on his unmerited mercy and favor. But of course it is my opinion because it does not say that it is just metaphorical. In reality god arbitrarily piked the 7th day and told them not to work or kindle a fire because he wanted to enslave the Jewish people with rules he had no other reason but to make the Jewish people rest on that day because he told them too and he wanted to see if they would obey him or not and when Yahshua came the meaning was not important anymore.

As you have admitted to knowing what I believe by reading my posts throught out the theology section, why would you think I would say something else here? I do not fear answering your questions. And demanding that I answer your questions with nothing to go on proves that you are here to argue as you already know my position. You are not asking that I make myself clear. You already stated that you are clear on my opinion. I thought I was being very charitable when I gave verses stating peculair people and treasure along with Romans 11:1-5, 32.

I am fully aware of the Sabbath and who it was given to. I am also aware of the new covenant that Jesus testified is the currrent covenant in Mat 26:28. There is not a single NT verse that states Christians are to observe any of the laws of Moses which include the ten commandments which were not given to the Gentile, goyim. Thus you must imply that a Christian is or becomes a Jew with obligation to the law. How is this? We are delivered from the law -Rom 7:6 - But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

What about Gal 4:30 - Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (which is the law in this allegory) and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

I like this to: For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. You can't have both the law and redemption.

 

[from scratch]

What I am showing you is that in the very command to love your neighbor is the 10 commandments. The bible clearly shows that the last 6 commandments demonstrate love for fellow men.

I think that is a misstatement. I think what you are attempting to do is justify/prove that the ten commandments are indeed in force for the Christian. This denies the new covenant Jesus said is not in existence Mat 26:28. I have asked you for what covenant you think Jesus is talking about if it is not the one spoken of in Jer 31:31-34 and still await a response to that question.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

But in order to love fellow man, you men you must love God. The love of God is demonstrated by the first 4 commandments. I don't know if I am mistaken, but if you have no other gods besides the true God, respect his divinity by not making graven images, ensure you do not take his name in vain and respect his holy time, isn't that demonstrating love to him?

But here is the argument that I believe you are making. Correct me if I am wrong here. You are saying that the commandments of Jesus are different to the commandments of God. The text you quoted says if we keep his commandments we abide in his love as he kept his fathers commandments and abided in his love. You are making an argument that abiding in the love of Jesus therefore does not require us to keep the commandments of God but the commandments of Jesus. Why would the commandments of Jesus overshadow or contradict the commandments of God. Why is it an either or. The same book shows that both commandments are inclusive of one another. If you love Jesus you will keep the commandments of God the same as Jesus did.

I am not saying that Jesus is not God. I am saying that Jesus is not His Father. IOW I believe in the Trinity. I have demonstrated several times with scriptural support that Jesus did not give (issue) the ten commandments. I don't remember a rebuttal from you on this isuue except silence or dismissal.

I already answered the overshadow statement above.

Jesus did not say keep the commandments of God (the Father) in John 15:10, now did He? Jesus said keep My commandments. And then Jesus said He kept His Father's commandments, did He not?

You are clearly saying to me that Jesus is not God and He did not keep the ten commandments if they belong to Jesus by issuance. He (Jesus) says clearly that He (Jesus) kept His Father's (God's) commandments.

Here you don't believe that Jesus issued the ten commandments either by your switching from Jesus to God. I don't know what else to make of it except you don't really believe that Jesus is and has always been God the Son.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

What are His (God's) commandments to the Christian new covenant believer? Are the commandments of Ex 20 written or given to the Christian? NO! They were given strictly to the Israelites - Deut 5:2-5. What then are the commandments given to the Christian? I John 3:23 - And this is His (God the Father's) commandment, That we should believe on the name of His (God the Father's) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He (Jesus, God the Son) gave us commandment.

So the text says that whoever loves Jesus also loves God, and we know we love God when we keep the commandments of God and his commandments are not grievous or not a burden. That makes the case. So to say that we keep the commandments of Jesus instead of the commandments of God is not a reality because indeed they are the same.[/quote]Here again you indicate that Jesus is not God. You believe that Jesus issued the ten commandments. Not so! I challenge you to prove that Jesus issued the ten commandments. I trust you are reading all the posts in this thread.

 

[visionary]

Can we find God's seal on His Law? It must contain His Title, His Authority, and His Territory...


Remember the Sabbath, .... For in six days God [TITLE] created [AUTHORITY] heaven and earth and all that is in it [TERRITORY]

Now what would the accuser who wants to dethrone God go after? what would the lawless/antichrist try to remove from God's law? In order to unseat so that he can sit on the throne of god, and declare that he is god, he must show that they bow down and worship him and have his mark of authority and show evidence of his territory.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Can we find God's seal on His Law? It must contain His Title, His Authority, and His Territory...


Remember the Sabbath, .... For in six days God [TITLE] created [AUTHORITY] heaven and earth and all that is in it [TERRITORY]

Now what would the accuser who wants to dethrone God go after? what would the lawless/antichrist try to remove from God's law? In order to unseat so that he can sit on the throne of god, and declare that he is god, he must show that they bow down and worship him and have his mark of authority and show evidence of his territory.

I am born again according to the premise of the New Creation

so the old creation has no hold on me .

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I think that is a misstatement. I think what you are attempting to do is justify/prove that the ten commandments are indeed in force for the Christian. This denies the new covenant Jesus said is not in existence Mat 26:28. I have asked you for what covenant you think Jesus is talking about if it is not the one spoken of in Jer 31:31-34 and still await a response to that question. I am not saying that Jesus is not God. I am saying that Jesus is not His Father. IOW I believe in the Trinity. I have demonstrated several times with scriptural support that Jesus did not give (issue) the ten commandments. I don't remember a rebuttal from you on this isuue except silence or dismissal.

I already answered the overshadow statement above.

Jesus did not say keep the commandments of God (the Father) in John 15:10, now did He? Jesus said keep My commandments. And then Jesus said He kept His Father's commandments, did He not?

You are clearly saying to me that Jesus is not God and He did not keep the ten commandments if they belong to Jesus by issuance. He (Jesus) says clearly that He (Jesus) kept His Father's (God's) commandments.

Here you don't believe that Jesus issued the ten commandments either by your switching from Jesus to God. I don't know what else to make of it except you don't really believe that Jesus is and has always been God the Son. What are His (God's) commandments to the Christian new covenant believer? Are the commandments of Ex 20 written or given to the Christian? NO! They were given strictly to the Israelites - Deut 5:2-5. What then are the commandments given to the Christian? I John 3:23 - And this is His (God the Father's) commandment, That we should believe on the name of His (God the Father's) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He (Jesus, God the Son) gave us commandment.

So the text says that whoever loves Jesus also loves God, and we know we love God when we keep the commandments of God and his commandments are not grievous or not a burden. That makes the case. So to say that we keep the commandments of Jesus instead of the commandments of God is not a reality because indeed they are the same.

Here again you indicate that Jesus is not God. You believe that Jesus issued the ten commandments. Not so! I challenge you to prove that Jesus issued the ten commandments. I trust you are reading all the posts in this thread.[/QUOTE]

So love does not fulfill the 10 commandments? Can you tell me what about the 10 commandments is so bad? The reality of the situation is that regardless of what you say, you strive to at least keep 9 of them. You won't want to have other gods or make images. You will try not to take his name in vain. You strive to respect your parents. You try your best not to kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, or covet. The only problem that you and everyone else has is the Sabbath. So this is the strategy used. "Prove that the law is abolished, but the spirit of the new covenant will cause us to automatically keep those 9" or "Prove that the law is no more, but Jesus recommanded 9 of the 10 to be kept" or simple "Just prove the law is abolished, but still keep 9".
None of those can be truthfully proved. Lets be real. There is absolutely nothing wrong to most people with 9 out of the 10 commandments. When I hear the disregard and mockery people give to God's holy 10 commandments it is do disappointing.

I will say this a final time as a response to you. The command to love your neighbour is a summary of 6 out of 10 commandments. Love for neighbour cannot stand unless there is love for God. Love for God is a summary of the first 4 commandments. On these 2 laws hang all the law and the prophets therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Frogster]

I am born again according to the premise of the New Creation

so the old creation has no hold on me .

Exactly, the law was for the age of flesh, that old dead creation. Paul said past tense, while we were in the flesh in 7;5, about the law.

 

[Frogster]

QUOTE]

I am still trying to figure out what Paul did not want then to keep the sab, that was in the 10.

What was written on stone, now ended?

7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

 

[Frogster]

Can we find God's seal on His Law? It must contain His Title, His Authority, and His Territory...


Remember the Sabbath, .... For in six days God [TITLE] created [AUTHORITY] heaven and earth and all that is in it [TERRITORY]

Now what would the accuser who wants to dethrone God go after? what would the lawless/antichrist try to remove from God's law? In order to unseat so that he can sit on the throne of god, and declare that he is god, he must show that they bow down and worship him and have his mark of authority and show evidence of his territory.

Actually the accuser uses law to attack..

But alas..no more, now that we are not under that jurisidction.

Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?

A legal term mind you, charge, and the law was a leagl document.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Actually the accuser uses law to attack..

But alas..no more, now that we are not under that jurisidction.

Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?

A legal term mind you, charge, and the law was a leagl document.

The accuser charges based on your violation of the law. The accuser charges you against your sin. But God's grace covers sins. Therefore because grace has covered your sins, do you continue to sin? Do you still trangress the law because of grace? God forbid!

A slave to sin is not one who keeps the law. A slave to sin is one who keeps breaking it. God's gives his spirit to have victory over sin. God's remedy is not to remove the law so we cannot sin, but instead to give us his spirit so by his strength we can have the victory over sin.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I am born again according to the premise of the New Creation

so the old creation has no hold on me .

Your response is way of. By old creation you must then have to refer to the creation of the world. The world was created in a perfect state. You then have no point. The old creature which is replaced in the new birth is your old sinful, fleshy nature which came as a result of the corruption of God's perfect creation as a result of man's disobedience. The point that was made that the Sabbath commandment identifies God as the creator of this world and contains the elements of a seal. If your response is serious, you will then be saying that the title, authority and territory of God has no meaning or importance to you.