Sabbath?

[Gregory Thompson]

Yeppers and I dearly love my liberty which came at a very great cost.

Yes .. give me liberty or give me death .

either way i am free from sin .

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Nope, he is referring to the old man and the new born again man.

And the old man is as a result of man's disobedience. The old man is carnal. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and therefore cannot please God. Why don't you explain this. If your liberty is not being subject to the law then you want the liberty to do the works of the flesh which is against the law of God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And the old man is as a result of man's disobedience. The old man is carnal.

okay ..

The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God

provide scripture .

and therefore cannot please God.

Hebrews 11:6 says without faith it is impossible to please God . therefore doing the works of the law can never please God . the law's purpose is to show how sinful sin is . that's it .

Why don't you explain this. If your liberty is not being subject to the law then you want the liberty to do the works of the flesh which is against the law of God.

not so . and i don't appreciate the accusation . you sound like the accuser . watch that .

 

[Frogster]

The accuser charges based on your violation of the law. The accuser charges you against your sin. But God's grace covers sins. Therefore because grace has covered your sins, do you continue to sin? Do you still trangress the law because of grace? God forbid!

A slave to sin is not one who keeps the law. A slave to sin is one who keeps breaking it. God's gives his spirit to have victory over sin. God's remedy is not to remove the law so we cannot sin, but instead to give us his spirit so by his strength we can have the victory over sin.

Really? Paul broke on of the 10 in Rom 7, alot, why wasn't sin imputed to him, like it was in the old cov?

Why is the power of sin the law?

1 cor 15:56.

 

[Frogster]

Ecc 3:14I know that whatever God does endures for ever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; God has made it so, in order that men should fear before him.

Ecc 3:15That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.

Seriously Michael,
you think Yeshua came to do away with God's scriptures?

he didn't think so

Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

What does abolished mean to you?

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

 

[Johnnz]

And the old man is as a result of man's disobedience. The old man is carnal. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and therefore cannot please God. Why don't you explain this. If your liberty is not being subject to the law then you want the liberty to do the works of the flesh which is against the law of God.

The old man died with Christ.
Rom 6:3-7 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. NIV

Col 2:11-15 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. NIV

Now we are to live from the new heart within us by God's Spirit bringing to us the resurrection life of Christ, the wells of living water that is the life of Jesus. That really is a wonderful salvation!


John
NZ

 

[Frogster]

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/5

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/6

Isa 56:6¶Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=56&t=KJV#dict/7

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

I'm going to point out that it is Sabbaths, as in Appointed Times we are to meet with God, to congregate. Certain promises are for those that choose to obey.

Sorry, old cov, paul did not want his churches under sabbath..

 

[Frogster]

Tell me how does it not grieve the Holy Spirit when we don't meet with him at his appointed hour or day in His appointed manner and ways?

Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

My oh my, Paul did not want judiasm, which had the sabbath rebuilt..gosh!


NLT Gal 2:18 Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.


J.B Phillips Gal 2:18 But if I attempt to build again the whole structure of justification by the Law then I do, in earnest,


Amplified Gal 2:18 18For if I [or any others who have taught that the observance of the Law of Moses is not essential to being justified by God should now by word or practice teach or intimate that it is essential to] build up again what I tore down, I prove myself a transgressor.


NEB Gal 2:18 No, if I start building up again a system which I have pulled down, then it is that I show myself up as a transgressor of the

 

[Gregory Thompson]

i mean .. when can Theology be plainly about what the text says?

one covenant superseded the other .

vanities of vanities saith the preacher .. all is vanity .

 

[Frogster]

And the old man is as a result of man's disobedience. The old man is carnal. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and therefore cannot please God. Why don't you explain this. If your liberty is not being subject to the law then you want the liberty to do the works of the flesh which is against the law of God.

Then why was abe justifed way before the law came?

All your proving is the struggle, but paul said we are not under law in rom 6;14 and gal 5;18.

You never answered my question of how Paul separated sabbath, from the spirit, he said do not bother with it, to the saved galatian churches. Why?

 

[from scratch]

And the old man is as a result of man's disobedience. The old man is carnal. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and therefore cannot please God. Why don't you explain this. If your liberty is not being subject to the law then you want the liberty to do the works of the flesh which is against the law of God.

I have explained this very thing in this very thread today. I offered Gal 5:18-21 as works of the flesh which those led of the Spirit do have a problem with and vs 22 and 23 showing what we do. It would do you good to read the whole book of Galatians.

 

[Bananna]

Jesus said on the cross .

It is finished .

the law is fulfilled . every jot and tittle .

it's done .

He said it is finished... he did not say all is fulfilled. You can't just exchange terms and ideas where one pleases.

Not everything Yeshua professied has been fulfilled.
Not every prophesy of the original scriptures has been fulfilled.
So until all are fulfilled - fulfilled does not equal finished. Not one single jot or tiddle has lost its power to bless or curse.

Bananna

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He said it is finished... he did not say all is fulfilled. You can't just exchange terms and ideas where one pleases.

Not everything Yeshua professied has been fulfilled.
Not every prophesy of the original scriptures has been fulfilled.
So until all are fulfilled - fulfilled does not equal finished. Not one single jot or tiddle has lost its power to bless or curse.

Bananna

Feel free to tear Paul's letter to the Colossians and Galatians out of your bible then .

 

[Frogster]

He said it is finished... he did not say all is fulfilled. You can't just exchange terms and ideas where one pleases.

Not everything Yeshua professied has been fulfilled.
Not every prophesy of the original scriptures has been fulfilled.
So until all are fulfilled - fulfilled does not equal finished. Not one single jot or tiddle has lost its power to bless or curse.

Bananna

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

 

[Bananna]

I counter with Luke 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

My point would be... that Yeshua is not yet returned and not yet reigned 1000 years and not yet judged the saints and the nations.

So not one jot or tittle not one precept, command or law has been done away with. I really don't have a problem keeping the ten commandments... it is not a burden it is a privilege and it frees me from fear.
bananna

 

[Frogster]

My point would be... that Yeshua is not yet returned and not yet reigned 1000 years and not yet judged the saints and the nations.

So not one jot or tittle not one precept, command or law has been done away with. I really don't have a problem keeping the ten commandments... it is not a burden it is a privilege and it frees me from fear.
bananna

Peter called the law an unbearable yoke.

Paul called the law as a child, elemental, bondage, for children, a strict pedagogue..gosh!

 

[Bananna]

Feel free to tear Paul's letter to the Colossians and Galatians out of your bible then .

I don't need to tear them out, I need to keep the context. The context has to do with understanding Faith according to Judaism. Faith is an action. One lives what one believes. The Free woman Sarah was the woman of Law/orderliness and promise. She was free from lawlessness and death.
The Slave woman was the the woman of bondage and lawlessness.

Until one recognizes they are bound by a contrary nature and living against God's will... they cannot be freed from sin and death. The Law is therefore a tutor guiding one to right behavior.

I love my teacher/Yeshua and none of his ways are repugnant to me. I delight to know more of his ways and to keep all his ways.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't need to tear them out, I need to keep the context. The context has to do with understanding Faith according to Judaism. Faith is an action. One lives what one believes. The Free woman Sarah was the woman of Law/orderliness and promise. She was free from lawlessness and death.
The Slave woman was the the woman of bondage and lawlessness.

Until one recognizes they are bound by a contrary nature and living against God's will... they cannot be freed from sin and death. The Law is therefore a tutor guiding one to right behavior.

I love my teacher/Yeshua and none of his ways are repugnant to me. I delight to know more of his ways and to keep all his ways.

Why then do you stay in bondage? i don't get it .

faith is an action . but the way James speaks of this says nothing of following the law . but living according to the greatest commandment .

 

[Frogster]

I don't need to tear them out, I need to keep the context. The context has to do with understanding Faith according to Judaism. Faith is an action. One lives what one believes. The Free woman Sarah was the woman of Law/orderliness and promise. She was free from lawlessness and death.
The Slave woman was the the woman of bondage and lawlessness.

Until one recognizes they are bound by a contrary nature and living against God's will... they cannot be freed from sin and death. The Law is therefore a tutor guiding one to right behavior.

I love my teacher/Yeshua and none of his ways are repugnant to me. I delight to know more of his ways and to keep all his ways.

The slavewoman in gal 4, was clearly the mosaic cov.

 

[Frogster]

I don't need to tear them out, I need to keep the context. The context has to do with understanding Faith according to Judaism. Faith is an action. One lives what one believes. The Free woman Sarah was the woman of Law/orderliness and promise. She was free from lawlessness and death.
The Slave woman was the the woman of bondage and lawlessness.

Until one recognizes they are bound by a contrary nature and living against God's will... they cannot be freed from sin and death. The Law is therefore a tutor guiding one to right behavior.

I love my teacher/Yeshua and none of his ways are repugnant to me. I delight to know more of his ways and to keep all his ways.

Tutor in gal 3, meant a strict pedagogue, (greek) known for their severe discipline, they would pinch the children in their care, not a very flattering word the Holy Spirit used. Besides, it says until....