Sabbath?

[RibI]

Then why was abe justifed way before the law came?

The Law of God is eternal and has always existed.
No man lived before God's Law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

YouTube - David Wilkerson - Freedom from sin

 

[Frogster]

The Law of God is eternal and has always existed.
No man lived before God's Law.

it was added to increase sin.

 

[Bananna]

Why then do you stay in bondage? i don't get it .

faith is an action . but the way James speaks of this says nothing of following the law . but living according to the greatest commandment .

How can I explain this to you. Faith is an action not just a knowlege of the mind. In Judaism they believed:

Jam 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

There was no other book of good works than the Scriptures Yeshua and James and Paul taught from. All Scripture from the original testament was profitable for teaching, reproving and training in righteousness. The letters of Paul and James and Jude etc... did not exist at that time.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Law of God is eternal and has always existed.
No man lived before God's Law.

the Voice of God is eternal and has always existed .

but the words of the law were not uttered until the time of Moses .

Romans 5:12-15

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. 15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How can I explain this to you. Faith is an action not just a knowlege of the mind. In Judaism they believed:

Jam 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

There was no other book of good works than the Scriptures Yeshua and James and Paul taught from. All Scripture from the original testament was profitable for teaching, reproving and training in righteousness. The letters of Paul and James and Jude etc... did not exist at that time.

Yeah and James when he talks about that says, help the poor, show no favoritism . read the context . OI .

 

[Bananna]

What does abolished mean to you?

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

Um did you forget something here? Context? Reference?

God does not abolish anything he does, All God does lasts forever (Ecc 3:14). The only thing he does is Pay the penalty we cannot pay for our errors remitting our debt. If we continue then to break God's commands we open Christ to ridicule and crucify him again.

I mean if my dad got me out of jail and paid my penalty for speeding and driving drunk... even if he paid every time I broke the law... it would open my Father up to continual ridicule to continue to do what I know is wrong...

It saddens me enough that my Lord's hands were pierced the first time.

So give me the same respect for following God's laws as you would want for following man's Speed limit.

it is ultamately about love. We follow speed limits because we love our fellow man more than ourselves. God's laws are about how to love him and our fellow human beings.

1Jo 5:3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

bananna

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I don't understand . if this were really of God you would feel no compulsion to convert me .

 

[Bananna]

Yeah and James when he talks about that says, help the poor, show no favoritism . read the context . OI .

I did read the context, including the original commands of God to do these possitive list of commands. It is a reference to a set of possitive commands in the scriptures he taught from in that day...

 

[from scratch]

44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

I just wanted to highlight what must be fulfilled for a jot or a tittle to pass from the law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I did read the context, including the original commands of God to do these possitive list of commands. It is a reference to a set of possitive commands in the scriptures he taught from in that day...

hahaha

you're hilarious .

can't wait to see what excuses you come up with next for the opinion .. "no really, falling from grace is a good thing .. being under the law is joyous bondage!"

thanks for the laugh tee hee .

 

[Bananna]

Sorry, old cov, paul did not want his churches under sabbath..

Really strange that he taught in the synagogues on Sabbath.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And I belong to Christ's church... not Paul's. Paul followed Christ...not the other way around.

So where did Paul or Yeshua ever say, not to keep Sabbath? No where.

The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday following Sabbath, and Paul continued teaching through the night... once.

bananna

 

[Bananna]

hahaha

you're hilarious .

can't wait to see what excuses you come up with next for the opinion .. "no really, falling from grace is a good thing .. being under the law is joyous bondage!"

thanks for the laugh tee hee .

As I said give me the same respect and grace to follow God's commands as I give you to follow the speed limit, pay your taxes, gather on a Sunday... etc.

 

[from scratch]

Um did you forget something here? Context? Reference?

God does not abolish anything he does, All God does lasts forever (Ecc 3:14). The only thing he does is Pay the penalty we cannot pay for our errors remitting our debt. If we continue then to break God's commands we open Christ to ridicule and crucify him again.

What about this: I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. Hosea 2:11.And incase you want it from a Jewish translation here is what the Tanach, Stone ed says: I will terminate her ever rejoicing, her festival, her New Moon, her Sabbath and her every appointed season. Which agrees with this: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

A great example of this NC is found in John 8:11-11.

This covenant made with their fathers is identified here: And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deut 4:13.

I mean if my dad got me out of jail and paid my penalty for speeding and driving drunk... even if he paid every time I broke the law... it would open my Father up to continual ridicule to continue to do what I know is wrong...

It saddens me enough that my Lord's hands were pierced the first time.

So give me the same respect for following God's laws as you would want for following man's Speed limit.

it is ultamately about love. We follow speed limits because we love our fellow man more than ourselves. God's laws are about how to love him and our fellow human beings.

1Jo 5:3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

bananna

And what are God'scommandments for the NC Christian, If there could be another? I think it is recorded in I John 3:23: And this is His (God the Father's) commandment, That we should believe on the name of His (God the Father's) Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He (Jesus God the Son) gave us commandment.

And this: If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10.

 

[from scratch]

My point would be... that Yeshua is not yet returned and not yet reigned 1000 years and not yet judged the saints and the nations.

So not one jot or tittle not one precept, command or law has been done away with. I really don't have a problem keeping the ten commandments... it is not a burden it is a privilege and it frees me from fear.
bananna

You must not have read Hewbrews yet. Let mepoint out this change of the law: For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Heb 7:12. So much for your jot and tittles argument.

Opps! that must mean that the law has changed. You might do well to read the whole chapter.

 

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I don't need to tear them out, I need to keep the context. The context has to do with understanding Faith according to Judaism. Faith is an action. One lives what one believes. The Free woman Sarah was the woman of Law/orderliness and promise. She was free from lawlessness and death.
The Slave woman was the the woman of bondage and lawlessness.

Until one recognizes they are bound by a contrary nature and living against God's will... they cannot be freed from sin and death. The Law is therefore a tutor guiding one to right behavior.

I love my teacher/Yeshua and none of his ways are repugnant to me. I delight to know more of his ways and to keep all his ways.

Ah that is great, I am with you on that. You missed who the law is for. Here it is: Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

It seems to me that you are saying you are the lawless one as you say you obey the law.

 

[from scratch]

Really strange that he taught in the synagogues on Sabbath.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And I belong to Christ's church... not Paul's. Paul followed Christ...not the other way around.

So where did Paul or Yeshua ever say, not to keep Sabbath? No where.

The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday following Sabbath, and Paul continued teaching through the night... once.

bananna

So where did either say to keep the Sabbath?

 

[from scratch]

Really strange that he taught in the synagogues on Sabbath.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And I belong to Christ's church... not Paul's. Paul followed Christ...not the other way around.

So where did Paul or Yeshua ever say, not to keep Sabbath? No where.

The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday following Sabbath, and Paul continued teaching through the night... once.

bananna

Nope, Paul's mission was to the Jew first - Rom 1:16; 2:10. And where were these Jews every Sabbath?in the synagogue. Paul's Jewish Christian traveling companions did not atend the synagogue with him in Ephesus. Acts 18:18, 19 Why is this?

 

[from scratch]

How can I explain this to you. Faith is an action not just a knowlege of the mind. In Judaism they believed:

Jam 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

There was no other book of good works than the Scriptures Yeshua and James and Paul taught from. All Scripture from the original testament was profitable for teaching, reproving and training in righteousness. The letters of Paul and James and Jude etc... did not exist at that time.

Yet Peter a disciple of Jesus called Paul's writings on par with scripture II Peter 3:16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

As I said give me the same respect and grace to follow God's commands as I give you to follow the speed limit, pay your taxes, gather on a Sunday... etc.

it sounds like you're trying to convert us . and you're tearing pages out of your bible while you do it . if passages say the old was replaced by the new . then why do you ignore that?