Sabbath?

[Gregory Thompson]

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

 

[RibI]

it was added to increase sin.

No, those laws that were added were animal sacrifices, meat and drink offerings and cerimonial washings. These were the tutor "untill the cross".

 

[RibI]

So where did either say to keep the Sabbath?

Their lifelong example teach observance of the Sabbath.
If you follow Jesus' footsteps you will keep the same sabbath He kept.

 

[RibI]

the Voice of God is eternal and has always existed .
but the words of the law were not uttered until the time of Moses .

No, they were not written in stone untill then.
God's Law has always existed. Everyone from Able to Abraham to King David are famous for loving and keeping God's Law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No, they were not written in stone untill then.
God's Law has always existed. Everyone from Able to Abraham to King David are famous for keeping God's Law.

Didn't you read the passage from romans? there was no law until moses .

stop adding to scripture please .

 

[RibI]

Didn't you read the passage from romans? there was no law until moses .

stop adding to scripture please .

Haven't you ever read the Bible?
You need to stop taking away from scripture.

Gen. 26:5 Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Ps. 119:97 Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
98 You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies;
For they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts.
101 I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Your word.
102 I have not departed from Your judgments, For You Yourself have taught me.
103 How sweet are Your words to my taste, Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way.

Obviously you don't know what is being spoken of in Romans.

 

[from scratch]

Their lifelong example teach observance of the Sabbath.
If you follow Jesus' footsteps you will keep the same sabbath He kept.

Nope, it doesn't because they were under the law's jurisdiction -
the OC. We are under the NC which is a different law including Gentiles that the OC did not.

I doubble dare ya to walk in Jesus' foot steps. To say you do is another mythical fraud. If you wish to challegene me on this I am up to it.

 

[from scratch]

No, they were not written in stone untill then.
God's Law has always existed. Everyone from Able to Abraham to King David are famous for loving and keeping God's Law.

what do you do with this: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Gal 3:17.

And this: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

It very plainly says the law was added. If that is so the law did exist before.

 

[from scratch]

Haven't you ever read the Bible?
You need to stop taking away from scripture.

Gen. 26:5 Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Ps. 119:97 Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
98 You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies;
For they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts.
101 I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Your word.
102 I have not departed from Your judgments, For You Yourself have taught me.
103 How sweet are Your words to my taste, Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way.

Obviously you don't know what is being spoken of in Romans.

Obviously you deny Galatians as I have quoted Abraham could not have obeyed something that did not exist until 430 after he died. You have a definitions problem created by you false prophet EGW.

 

[RibI]

Obviously you deny Galatians as I have quoted Abraham could not have obeyed something that did not exist until 430 after he died. You have a definitions problem created by you false prophet EGW.

As usual you have no idea what you're talking about and I don't know any EGW.

 

[RibI]

It very plainly says the law was added. If that is so the law did exist before.

All that proves is that you don't know what law was added.
Just another thing you don't know.
What's new?

" the law did exist before " Against all odds you seem to have swerved into some truth.

 

[ThomasDa]

Their lifelong example teach observance of the Sabbath.
If you follow Jesus' footsteps you will keep the same sabbath He kept.

You got that right and if they don't love Him they won't keep it.

 

[Frogster]

How can I explain this to you. Faith is an action not just a knowlege of the mind. In Judaism they believed:

Jam 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

There was no other book of good works than the Scriptures Yeshua and James and Paul taught from. All Scripture from the original testament was profitable for teaching, reproving and training in righteousness. The letters of Paul and James and Jude etc... did not exist at that time.

They keyword is APART in that verse, if you are going to use it in the way you do here, to fuse it with faith and works, then u have to use apart in the same greek manner here, you can't use APART two different ways.

28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Read this now, with apart removed.

28 For we hold that one is justified by faith from works of the law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Haven't you ever read the Bible?
You need to stop taking away from scripture.

Gen. 26:5 Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

Ps. 119:97 Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
98 You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies;
For they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts.
101 I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Your word.
102 I have not departed from Your judgments, For You Yourself have taught me.
103 How sweet are Your words to my taste, Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way.

Obviously you don't know what is being spoken of in Romans.

stay on topic . that is called a red herring . you do not wish to discuss what is written in that passage so you use rhetoric to take the conversation off topic .. because that passage inconveniently contradicts your understanding of the bible .

duly noted . it's okay you can bow out now .

 

[Frogster]

Um did you forget something here? Context? Reference?

God does not abolish anything he does, All God does lasts forever (Ecc 3:14). The only thing he does is Pay the penalty we cannot pay for our errors remitting our debt. If we continue then to break God's commands we open Christ to ridicule and crucify him again.

I mean if my dad got me out of jail and paid my penalty for speeding and driving drunk... even if he paid every time I broke the law... it would open my Father up to continual ridicule to continue to do what I know is wrong...

It saddens me enough that my Lord's hands were pierced the first time.

So give me the same respect for following God's laws as you would want for following man's Speed limit.

it is ultamately about love. We follow speed limits because we love our fellow man more than ourselves. God's laws are about how to love him and our fellow human beings.

1Jo 5:3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

bananna

You just said all is inspired, it clearly says abolished.

Did paul want Judaism, which had the ordinances given to his church?

Look how he fought the judaizers all over the place, especially in Corinth.

History shows, that is what caused divisions. Mosaic law.


Acts 10:28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.

Greek for unclean in that verse.Acts 10:28 (akathartos 169)
Definition:1) not cleansed, unclean
1a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from
according to the levitical law
1b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life

 

[Frogster]

The power of sin is the law..ouch!

 

[Frogster]

I just wanted to highlight what must be fulfilled for a jot or a tittle to pass from the law.

Sure thing

 

[Frogster]

Really strange that he taught in the synagogues on Sabbath.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And I belong to Christ's church... not Paul's. Paul followed Christ...not the other way around.

So where did Paul or Yeshua ever say, not to keep Sabbath? No where.

The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday following Sabbath, and Paul continued teaching through the night... once.

bananna

Hi ban.

He was preaching Christ, it was a good evangelistic tool. Why would the syngogue leaders give him 39 lashes on 5 different occasions, if he was "keeping Sabbath"?

 

[Frogster]

Really strange that he taught in the synagogues on Sabbath.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And I belong to Christ's church... not Paul's. Paul followed Christ...not the other way around.

So where did Paul or Yeshua ever say, not to keep Sabbath? No where.

The first day of the week started at sundown Saturday following Sabbath, and Paul continued teaching through the night... once.

bananna

PS, gal 4:10, paul in no way wanted them on the jewish calendar.

 

[Frogster]

No, those laws that were added were animal sacrifices, meat and drink offerings and cerimonial washings. These were the tutor "untill the cross".

Huh?

20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more

Then read 7, he shows the law at work, sin was aroused. Then read 1 cor 15;56, the power of sin is the law, then call Dr Frogster in the morning.