Sabbath Forever!

[Dkh587]

What is that?

A bunch of nothing.

 

[HARK!]

A bunch of nothing.

That's what it looks like; but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[HARK!]

is this your way of saying God's rest is only available on 1 day.

Are we back to your false dichotomy?

 

[DamianWarS]

Are we back to your false dichotomy?

You're the only one advocating a dichotomy and now are forcing it on me even though I have explicitly rejected such a separation. You seem to have a very superficial perspective of the Sabbath and I don't understand your aversion to looking into it's depth, but rather defensively rejecting any hint of it.

 

[HARK!]

You're the only one advocating a dichotomy and now are forcing it on me even though I have explicitly rejected such a separation. You seem to have a very superficial perspective of the Sabbath and I don't understand your aversion to looking into it's depth, but rather defensively rejecting any hint of it.

Maybe if I put this in worldly terms; it will be easier to comprehend.

A man goes to see dentist for a cavity. The dentist takes care of it; but advises the man that he should come back for a cleaning. The dentist schedules an appointment. The man doesn't show up for the appointment. The dentist calls up the man, regarding his missed appointment for a cleaning; and the man tells the dentist, that he brushes every day; so he decided not to show.

Do you believe that this behavior will have a positive or negative effect on this man's relationship with his dentist?

YHWH's Moedim are appointments by definition.

(CLV) Ezk 20:12
And I also gave My sabbaths to them to become a sign between Me and them, to make known that it is I, Yahweh, Who hallows them.

Some people extend more respect to their dentists, than they do to their creator.

 

[pasifika]

Actually, I asked you a question first(that you still haven’t answered), so according to whatever schoolyard you went to, it’s your turn to answer.

Do you keep the sabbath holy? Yes or no?

How can anyone keep something holy without them being made holy first...Unless we are born naturally holy.
Hebrews 2:11..Both the one who made people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family...

 

[DamianWarS]

Maybe if I put this in worldly terms; it will be easier to comprehend.

analogies are used to help understanding, not as proof. If I extract the understanding part of your position from this I don't desire a dentist-patient relationship with God and such an analogy dishonours him and Sabbath. The dentist has recommendations but doesn't care what you do and accepts going to another dentist to get the care needed to be done or accepts you get all your teeth removed. Is that the sort of relationship you're seeking with God? this analogy reflects a very prescriptive way of approaching God, in that we do it when there are problems. outside of my "problems" and limits, can we seek God? who gives us this ability?

 

[Malihah]

(CLV) Ezk 20:12
And I also gave My sabbaths to them to become a sign between Me and them, to make known that it is I, Yahweh, Who hallows them.

Substitute 'them' with 'Israel' and it will make more sense.

 

[HARK!]

analogies are used to help understanding, not as proof.

I gave you proof.

(CLV) Ezk 20:12
And I also gave My sabbaths to them to become a sign between Me and them, to make known that it is I, Yahweh, Who hallows them.

Here's some more:

(CLV) Lv 23:1
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 23:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them, The appointed seasons of Yahweh, those which you shall proclaim holy meetings, My appointed seasons, they are these:

(CLV) Lv 23:3
Six days shall work be done, yet ion the seventh day there shall be a sabbath of cessation, a holy meeting. You shall do not work at all. This is a sabbath to Yahweh in all your dwellings.

Verse 3 isn't translated quite properly Sabbath means cessation; so cessation is translated properly.

Cessation of cessation makes no sense. The word is מִקְרָא miqra. It means rehearsal.


(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

Understand that this was written long after Yahshua's ascension.

 

[HARK!]

Substitute 'them' with 'Israel' and it will make more sense.

Understand that YHWH's covenant is with Israel...

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

...and that Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel...


(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


...and it will make even more sense.

 

[pasifika]

A warning-about entering into His rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.

Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached

Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know

that man doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.

And thou shalt remember all the way which the Lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. Deuteronomy 8:2

-God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts. that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth) not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or not.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let
an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread
wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein,
and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.

As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited;
they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.


Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].

And in this [place again],

If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by
the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites
were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root

Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it "because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and [I cannot reverse it]."

-Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.

He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it. Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."

Hebrews 4: 3..We who have believed enter that rest...
So is that mean we can only believe in God on the 7th day of each week and Not the rest of six days?

God spoke later about another day to enter His rest, when He spoke through David... Hebrews 4:7, This is because Joshua did not gave Israel the rest God spoke about when He brought Israel to the land after 40yrs in desert... Hebrews 4:8..

So is still remains a Sabbath rest for God's people and is on " Today"...the day you believe in the Son of God.. because that is our work is to believe in Him John 6:28,29

 

[DamianWarS]

I gave you proof.

(CLV) Ezk 20:12
And I also gave My sabbaths to them to become a sign between Me and them, to make known that it is I, Yahweh, Who hallows them.

Here's some more:

(CLV) Lv 23:1
Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying:

(CLV) Lv 23:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them, The appointed seasons of Yahweh, those which you shall proclaim holy meetings, My appointed seasons, they are these:

(CLV) Lv 23:3
Six days shall work be done, yet ion the seventh day there shall be a sabbath of cessation, a holy meeting. You shall do not work at all. This is a sabbath to Yahweh in all your dwellings.

Verse 3 isn't translated quite properly Sabbath means cessation; so cessation is translated properly.

Cessation of cessation makes no sense. The word is מִקְרָא miqra. It means rehearsal.


(CLV) Hb 4:1
We may be afraid then, lest at some time, a promise being left of entering into His stopping, anyone of you may be seeming to be deficient.

Understand that this was written long after Yahshua's ascension.

Then why the aversion to discuss its deeper meaning? All law has surface meanings and deeper meanings. The sacrafice for example is a law with a surface command a + b = c, where the NT shows us the deeper meaning of the law, circumcision is another example where it's explicitly unpacked in the NT and shows us the deeper meanings. These generally are undisputed and people are not demanding the return of the sacrafice or that all must be circumcised and this is no different with every single law including the sabbath. It all points to a deeper meaning and with the sabbath it points to the rest of God yet you refuse to discuss the deeper meaning and I expected different with a title like "Sabbath forever" but it still clings to the superficial and thus can only reap the superficial, like your relationship with your dentist.

 

[Religiot]

In the Beginning:


(CLV) Gn 2:3
And Elohim blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, for in it He ceased from all His work that Elohim had created by making it.

(CLV) Ex 20:11
For in six days Yahweh dealt with the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He stopped on the seventh day. Therefore, Yahweh blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it


The Time of Moses:


(CLV) Lv 16:31
It is a sabbath of cessation for you, and you will humble your souls; it is an eonian statute. (FOREVER)

(CLV) Lv 24:8
Sabbath day by sabbath day shall he arrange it before Yahweh regularly on behalf of the sons of Israel, an eonian covenant.
(An everlasting covenant)

In the Time of Yahshua:


(CLV) Lk 4:16
And He came to Nazareth, where He was reared, and, according to His custom ion the day of the sabbaths, He entered into the synagogue and rose to read.


After Yahshua's Ascension:


(CLV) Hb 4:9
Consequently a sabbatism is left for the people of God.

(CLV) Hb 4:10
For he who is entering into His stopping, he also stops from his works even as God from His own.

(CLV) Hb 4:11
We should be endeavoring, then, to be entering into that stopping, lest anyone should be falling into the same example of stubbornness.

(CLV) Ac 17:2
Now, as was Paul's custom, he entered to them, and on three sabbaths he argues with them from the scriptures,


The Great Time of Trouble:

(CLV) Mt 24:20
Now be praying that your flight may not be occurring in winter, nor yet on a sabbath,

(CLV) Mt 24:21
for then shall be great affliction, such as has not occurred from the beginning of the world till now; neither under any circumstances may be occurring.


In the Kingdom to Come:

(CLV) Isa 66:22
For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I shall make shall stand before Me, averring is Yahweh, So your seed and your name shall stand.

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

Technically, God made everything in six days, the seventh was just for the purpose of resting, and for our sake, for God doesn't get tired, nor does He need rest, but has made the Sabbath specifically for man, as a gift, like He did with the rest of the world--all was made for man to have, and enjoy, for that was God's pleasure, to give to His son, Adam, all good things; which, of course, includes the Sabbath.

But because of the work of Satan, the Sabbath is now perverted, and that is of no surprise, for God also gave us His begotten Son, Who's message we also pervert... There is war coming, and no one will escape it, for the One Who brings it, is also He who resurrects the dead--so all will be made alive, to face the Lord of the Sabbath, the King they denied; and all will plead with Him, calling Him Lord, and He will say to them, "I never knew you, depart from me ye workers of iniquity!"

He will stomp all who disobeyed, on that great day, in the valley where their fathers burned their children to demons, He will fill it with their blood, to the bridle of His horse, and all the saints will praise, for justice will be served, and by the world's blood, His clothes will be stained.

"Fear the Lord", says the preacher, for when He comes again, He will not be the lowly servant, but the King for war, to reign.

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." --Matthew 10:32-34

 

[Dkh587]

That's what it looks like; but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Be careful to not cast your pearls before swine.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath is holy time. How we remember it and keep it holy is up to us.

Is that how God worded it in Exodus 20:8-11 and Isaiah 58:13, Lev 23:2-3, Isaiah 66:23?

 

[BobRyan]

You're the only one advocating a dichotomy and now are forcing it on me .

"forcing it on you"???

 

[DamianWarS]

"forcing it on you"???

I didn't bring it up and when it was brought up I rejected it yet @HARK! continues to repeat it as my argument which I continue to reject. it's not forced in the sense that I must accept it, it's forced in the sense it doesn't belong and it's unwanted like someone constantly hitting you with a fly swatter.

 

[HARK!]

These generally are undisputed and people are not demanding the return of the sacrafice

...but YHWH is. Here is what we see is to come:



(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.

(CLV) Mal 3:3
And He will sit like a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He will cleanse the sons of Levi, and purify them like gold and like silver. And they will come to be for Yahweh, bringing close the approach present in righteousness.

(CLV) Mal 3:4
Then the approach present of Judah and Jerusalem will be congenial to Yahweh as in the days of the eon, and as in former years.

and this is no different with every single law including the sabbath.

Agreed:

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is that how God worded it in Exodus 20:8-11 and Isaiah 58:13, Lev 23:2-3, Isaiah 66:23?

God 'hallowed' the Sabbath at (re)creation. However the ordinances for observing the Sabbath were only given to Israel. If one wants to 'observe' the Sabbath voluntarily they will be blessed by it as it is still 'holy time'. However there is no priesthood to officiate that old covenant ordinance today.

 

[HARK!]

God 'hallowed' the Sabbath at (re)creation. However the ordinances for observing the Sabbath were only given to Israel.

YHWH's covenant is with Israel.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Yahshua was commissioned only for Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."